Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Right before the bomb went off and killed Rachel, wasn't batman going to save her? Did Joker give him the wrong address so he ended up saving Harvey?
Yes.
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Right before the bomb went off and killed Rachel, wasn't batman going to save her? Did Joker give him the wrong address so he ended up saving Harvey?
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Right before the bomb went off and killed Rachel, wasn't batman going to save her? Did Joker give him the wrong address so he ended up saving Harvey?
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: chuckywang
I wonder how they'll incorporate Robin into the series. WILL REESE BE ROBIN??
I can sort of see the set up. Batman is hated in the city, he can no longer appear, so he trains someone else in his place. ROBIN!
Christian Bale said he would stop being batman if they cast Robin in one of the movies.
Originally posted by: hdeck
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: chuckywang
I wonder how they'll incorporate Robin into the series. WILL REESE BE ROBIN??
I can sort of see the set up. Batman is hated in the city, he can no longer appear, so he trains someone else in his place. ROBIN!
Christian Bale said he would stop being batman if they cast Robin in one of the movies.
and chris nolan said he would not direct a batman movie with robin in it.
Originally posted by: jiffer
That's a good question, but I don't think so. If I recall correctly, the Joker said he was ready to believe that Dent was really Batman because Batman jumped out the window so fast to catch Rachel when she fell out the window. Only someone who was madly in love with her would do that, and Dent was madly in love with Rachel, so...it was easy to believe that Dent could be Batman. I think that's all the Joker meant.Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Based on what the Joker said to Batman in the interrogation cell, he knows that Batman is Bruce Wayne, correct?
The Joker clearly implied that he had the impression that Batman was in love with Rachel, since Batman was so eager to save Rachel's life. That is one of the reasons why he forced Batman to decide whether to save Rachel or whether to save Dent. But did the Joker have any reason to believe that Bruce Wayne was in love with Rachel? I don't think so. So I don't think he made the connection between Batman and Bruce Wayne.
By the way, I don't think there's any way the Joker could have understood all the reasons why Dent was so important to Batman. Dent was on the team with the "good guys" and he posed a threat to the gangsters, so he was on the list of targets along with the Police Commissioner and the Mayor. The Joker also understood that Dent was supposed to be a hero to Gotham, which is another reason why the Joker took an interest in bringing him down. But I don't think the Joker realized that Batman wanted Dent to replace him as the hero of Gotham so he could retire, and I don't think the Joker knew Batman's reason for wanting to retire--i.e., to be with Rachel. If Dent could take Batman's place, then Gotham wouldn't need Batman anymore, and Rachel had told Bruce that maybe he had a chance with her if the man she loved "came back", so Bruce wanted to retire as soon as he could. That's one of the main reasons why Dent's success was so important to Bruce. Alfred understood that, which is why he burned the letter Rachel wrote in which she explained that she was marrying Dent and she wouldn't be in love with Bruce when he stopped being Batman. And we understood it, because we heard the relevant dialogue. But I don't think there's any way the Joker could have known all of that.
Originally posted by: andylawcc
frankly, I don't really care who was casted as Rachel Dawes; her role is much smaller than anyone else in TDK. So as long as it wasn't jessica simpson or paris hilton I am fine with that.
also, i personally didn't get the "how much Gotham hates Batman" dilemma. Yes, from the press conference (where Harvey saying he is the Batman) all the people voted to arrest batman. but wtf, batman saved them in various other incidents, do the citizen of gotham have any idea of that?
Either the movie failed to drive that point further, or I failed to be receptive.
Originally posted by: HN
Originally posted by: crisscross
Heath Ledger was great.. though a lil more humour from him would have been nice.
how 'bout more magic tricks?
Originally posted by: LostUte
They didn't hate him. They were scared of the Joker.
Originally posted by: andylawcc
Originally posted by: LostUte
They didn't hate him. They were scared of the Joker.
so after Joker's 'final' arrest, why did the cops still chase Batman in the last scene? Even Gordon's son said why is he running away and gordon sr gave a full minute speech behind it.
Originally posted by: Estrella
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Right before the bomb went off and killed Rachel, wasn't batman going to save her? Did Joker give him the wrong address so he ended up saving Harvey?
Yes.
Originally posted by: sygyzy
Can anyone help answer the following questions:
1. What is Scarecrow's role in this film? I saw him in the movie but I am not sure what I am supposed to get out of it. I don't recall the last Batman movie except I know he was defeated by Batman. Why is he free and running around? Is he a small bit player in Joker's gang now?
2. What is Harvey Dent so upset about that makes him change to Two-Face? Is it that they chose to save him instead of Rachel? Or that there were corrupt people on the force? There were corrupt cops alluded to in the rest of the movie and Dent didn't seem concerned at all. He was all chipper about it.
3. Why was the guy from Prison Break (at the bank, with the shotgun) so hell bent on stopping the robbery? Why did he say "Do you know who you are stealing from?" Did he mean the mob?
4. Why are all the criminals working together (before the Joker arrived)? Did Lau arrange this?
5. How does Batman make his voice sound so coarse when he's talking? Does he use a voice changer machine?
6. Did they ever figure out who was telling the Joker which notes were trackers? (Bank notes)
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: Estrella
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Right before the bomb went off and killed Rachel, wasn't batman going to save her? Did Joker give him the wrong address so he ended up saving Harvey?
Yes.
Are you sure? I thought Batman told Two Face he saved him because the city needed him?
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: Estrella
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Right before the bomb went off and killed Rachel, wasn't batman going to save her? Did Joker give him the wrong address so he ended up saving Harvey?
Yes.
Are you sure? I thought Batman told Two Face he saved him because the city needed him?
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So, anyone else think old GWB got to the producers? You know, trying to justify wiretapping to catch the insane terrorist?
He was on his way to becoming Two-Face even before he lost Rachel. Remember when he was interrogating the guy who disguised himself as a cop to shoot the mayor? Batman had to intervene because Harvey was about to cross over to the dark side. (He was upset because he thought that Gordon had died, and he didn't think that playing by the rules was doing any good.) Remember when Bruce told Alfred that he was retiring as Batman because he realized that he has to become just like a villain in order to fight the villains? Harvey was faced with the same choice, but unlike Batman, Harvey wanted to throw morality out the window because "doing the right thing" only got people killed, and the only way to fight crime was to put aside compunction and toss the coin, because chance is in control of everyone's lives, anyway. His grief at losing Rachel, losing half his face, and losing the fight against chaos pushed him over the edge, but he was already standing at the edge before he "lost everything". Maybe some of the cops in Gordon's unit recognized that about Harvey, and that's why they knew that deep down, Harvey was always "two-faced". (In these movies, even criminals have terrific insights into other people's character.)Originally posted by: sygyzy
2. What is Harvey Dent so upset about that makes him change to Two-Face? Is it that they chose to save him instead of Rachel? Or that there were corrupt people on the force? There were corrupt cops alluded to in the rest of the movie and Dent didn't seem concerned at all. He was all chipper about it.
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So, anyone else think old GWB got to the producers? You know, trying to justify wiretapping to catch the insane terrorist?