Dark Souls 2 for consoles is a month away. What do we know about the PC version?

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smackababy

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Based on that link I feel like the Dark Souls one is much more noticeable mostly because there's a lot of easy to spot signs of what they did (very simplified geometry/objects, fog, their lighting model looks almost like a PS2 era lighting where they just blanket everything in a single color, them trying to hide the differences in that initial part of the video with the darkened background and plant texture all over which looks like Halo 1 level of texturing job), although the differences are comparable (I notice similar issues, lighting, detail on the bridge, and the texture of the bridge road). Also, sorry but your whole argument that one game you think is even worse (I don't know how you can't see that they're actually quite comparable) somehow makes this ok is just...so silly I can't even fathom why you would make it. Both are things that people should be complaining about. I guess we'll see if the PC version enables all of that, but I'm very doubtful it will.

Ugh, I'm really getting tired of modern AAA games and all the BS that's going with them. Seems like every single one is being plagued by issues like this.

What issue is that exactly? That the unfinished product running on a development machine has more effects enabled than the finished, optimized product for a console? Yeah! How day most of these companies dare show us anything that isn't the final product months before it releases!
 

sze5003

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I'm gonna wait until it's out to see how it looks and plays. I'm done buying games for ps3 so it will have to be on pc. Found out the ds4 works with a mod on dark souls 1. Going to try it out later and see how it works out.
 

Rhezuss

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Yeah i'll wait a bit before buying it and you convinced me to wait for the PC version.
I've yet to finish the first one and will get to that, too many games came out after it and I got hooked elsewhere (replayed Metro 2033 and started LAst Light, Diablo 3, PoE, Divinity: Origin Alpha, etc).

I'll have to prioritise Dark Souls 1 on PC first to finish it once. Game is awesome, just need more time.
 

sze5003

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Yeah i'll wait a bit before buying it and you convinced me to wait for the PC version.
I've yet to finish the first one and will get to that, too many games came out after it and I got hooked elsewhere (replayed Metro 2033 and started LAst Light, Diablo 3, PoE, Divinity: Origin Alpha, etc).

I'll have to prioritise Dark Souls 1 on PC first to finish it once. Game is awesome, just need more time.

Yea I know what you mean. No time at all. I've been on a titanfall kick since it came out for pc and then next Friday is infamous so my ps4 is getting turned back on. It's like I need to take off to finish a game or two it's pretty ridiculous because I would never do that.
 

Dumac

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Based on that link I feel like the Dark Souls one is much more noticeable mostly because there's a lot of easy to spot signs of what they did (very simplified geometry/objects, fog, their lighting model looks almost like a PS2 era lighting where they just blanket everything in a single color, them trying to hide the differences in that initial part of the video with the darkened background and plant texture all over which looks like Halo 1 level of texturing job), although the differences are comparable (I notice similar issues, lighting, detail on the bridge, and the texture of the bridge road). Also, sorry but your whole argument that one game you think is even worse (I don't know how you can't see that they're actually quite comparable) somehow makes this ok is just...so silly I can't even fathom why you would make it. Both are things that people should be complaining about. I guess we'll see if the PC version enables all of that, but I'm very doubtful it will.

Ugh, I'm really getting tired of modern AAA games and all the BS that's going with them. Seems like every single one is being plagued by issues like this.

I just don't understand why everyone is getting caught up on graphics, especially the console graphics. The game looks better than Demons Souls and Dark Souls, and those were both great games, so what is the hold up here? Because some previews promised something more and you got your hopes too high?

Like I said before, you should always take preview trailers with a grain a salt. Not to mention that there have been many opportunities to see the actual graphics of the game, so I wasn't surprised in the least by what I found on the PS3 version.

Souls games aren't about graphics. They never have been.
 
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What issue is that exactly? That the unfinished product running on a development machine has more effects enabled than the finished, optimized product for a console? Yeah! How day most of these companies dare show us anything that isn't the final product months before it releases!

See below. But I'll ask you something that I'm not sure if you just didn't know it or what, but why did the graphics look so much better in the beta that people played on the PS3, than the finished game? Why would they spend months seemingly downgrading the visuals? Seems that the finished game has performance issues as well, so either it was unplayably bad in the beta (which IIRC did have performance issues but it wasn't to the point of making the game broken) or they reduced the graphics for some reason (seeing as how the final game also has performance issues that either wasn't why they changed the graphics or they didn't resolve the issue they set out to fix).

I just don't understand why everyone is getting caught up on graphics, especially the console graphics. The game looks better than Demons Souls and Dark Souls, and those were both great games, so what is the hold up here? Because some previews promised something more and you got your hopes too high?

Like I said before, you should always take preview trailers with a grain a salt. Not to mention that there have been many opportunities to see the actual graphics of the game, so I wasn't surprised in the least by what I found on the PS3 version.

Souls games aren't about graphics. They never have been.

What makes this worse is that people were able to actually play it on their systems with those graphics in the beta, so its a total WTF, why is it changed? Considering you were making a fuss about the other game, I don't know why you're just dismissing people taking issue with this.

Ok, so you can't understand why people are mentioning the graphics (which whatever, for me graphics do matter, for me a big part of what separates different quality games is the harmony between the different components, such as the graphics and the gameplay), well from your standpoint, you should be going, hmm they put in all that work on the graphics, then apparently they put in even more work on the graphics...to downgrade them significantly? Generally a lot of work on one aspect it tends to lead to less work on others. It absolutely can have a detrimental affect on other parts of the game.

I agree that it can still be a good game, but it seemed that it was going to be better than that. At minimum, there's very clearly something odd here, and at best its disappointing, at worst it comes off borderline fraudulent.

Personally stuff like this (among plenty of other problems that seem to be getting worse instead of better...) is exactly why I've stopped buying games at full price. But hey, I guess that just means I should be used to it and accepting of it.
 
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smackababy

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The Dark Souls 2 beta did not include all content, nor did it include all the final texture aspects. IIRC the beta had performance issues and didn't include the entire world. So, what happens when they don't turn down some textures and include more? Let me guess: more performance issues. The issues exhibited so far aren't that bad, and certainly shouldn't exist in the PC version for most gamers. The only real slide show I encountered was when I was looking at the water (which looks pretty damn good).

And again, you're comparing an unfinished product to the game. If you dislike the graphics of the finished game, that is fine. However, if you're up in arms and crying because previous builds "looked better" then you're way out in left field. And the graphics of a good game have to literally be just good enough. Crysis is a good example. It is a terrible, from a game standpoint. It has a great engine and looks great, but at it's core, it is awful. If it had mediocre graphics, we'd not be talking about it.
 

motsm

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And again, you're comparing an unfinished product to the game. If you dislike the graphics of the finished game, that is fine. However, if you're up in arms and crying because previous builds "looked better" then you're way out in left field.
The outcry came from them advertising the old buld right up to release, and in at least one of their own trailers they still are after the games downgrade. I am waiting to see this drop to $5 before I buy it because of their dishonest marketing, before that, it was the only game I have thought about paying full price for in years. :Edit: The point has been done to death though, people just seem to like defending FROM, while crucifying EA and UBI for less.
 
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mindcycle

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I've put close to 80 hours into playing the PS3 version. Honestly, the graphics are the last thing I've paid attention to. Souls games have always been about the gameplay for me, along with the exploring the game world. I did take a look at some comparison videos, and while I agree it's a definite downgrade, don't let that deter you from picking it up. Wait if you feel you must, but pick it up, you won't regret it.
 

ArchAngel777

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After having played both the 360 version and the PC version, there is no doubt that the PC version is far superior. When I played the 360 version, things were hard to see (and thus, hard to find) but because the PC version is so crisp, I was able to pick out many hidden areas or things that were not so hidden, but somehow were with the low-res textures and such. Very pleased with the port, so far.
 

Moe Zart

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The game looks better than Demons Souls and Dark Souls

That is hardly an achievement. The graphics of both those games were crap.

But I agree graphics aren't important in a metroidvania game, I wouldn't enjoy Ghouls'n'Goblins any more if its graphics were improved, same with DS.
 

smackababy

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After having played both the 360 version and the PC version, there is no doubt that the PC version is far superior. When I played the 360 version, things were hard to see (and thus, hard to find) but because the PC version is so crisp, I was able to pick out many hidden areas or things that were not so hidden, but somehow were with the low-res textures and such. Very pleased with the port, so far.

My CE should come in today. From what I've seen (and I have the PS3 version), everything is a lot smoother and crisp. 1080p is actually rendered at 1080p in this one! There aren't any slowdowns that I've seen (if your PC can handle it, obviously) and the loading times on an SSD are stupid fast. I can't wait to Hex my way to another OP build!
 

EDUSAN

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I've played 4hs already on the Pc port. Game runs fine, BUT im having a weird issue with my HDMI... the game just CRASHES at startup... in the steam forums people say that if you unplug de hdmi and run the game and then plug it back the game worked fine.
I tried it and it works, although i cant play at 1080p at fullscreen. The option is not there. So im playing in window mode at 1080p... yeah... weird... DARK SOOUUULS.

some parts of the game look good, some other parts look too crappy. For instance the part i got into yesterday, the Lost bastille, looks so dull

but good game nevertheless so far, its pretty much like dark souls to be honest.

good things i've seen: being able to use more than 1 soul item at the same time is such a quality of life improvement.
Repair costs seem to be REALISTIC now. Weapons and armor need repair much more often. I had to repair a mace that was broken and it costed me 800souls. in dark souls i could repair my whole inventory for that money.
Summoning people IS SO MUCH EASIER now! in Dark souls 1 (Pc) i had to struggle to summon someone, it always failed! Now at the 2nd or 3rd try im able to summon someone

bad things i've seen: going back to majula to lvl up SUCKS BALLS.
Covenants are still impossible to understand. I've joined 2, and i still have no idea what do they do or how do i level them up


BTW.... Durante already made a mod for dark souls 2 that improves some effects, and supposedly it does downscaling, which means that the mod tells dark souls 2 to run the game in whatever resolution u want (like 4096 × 3112) but to make it enter into another resolution (like 1920x1080). It should have an important impact in quality, i still need to check it out
 

ArchAngel777

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My CE should come in today. From what I've seen (and I have the PS3 version), everything is a lot smoother and crisp. 1080p is actually rendered at 1080p in this one! There aren't any slowdowns that I've seen (if your PC can handle it, obviously) and the loading times on an SSD are stupid fast. I can't wait to Hex my way to another OP build!

My machine is a Core i5 Haswell @ 4.2Ghz and an AMD HD 7970. It runs buttery smooth @ 1080P. I have not downloaded the mod, mainly because I feel it doesn't need it.

Magic feels weak to me, of course, because it was OP before (on all but the DLC bosses). The items that come with this pre-order are kind of weak... At least, to me.
 

EDUSAN

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im lvl 34 and im still using one of the preorder maces, althouh my beloved halberd is starting to get better and better
 

smackababy

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Magic feels weak to me, of course, because it was OP before (on all but the DLC bosses). The items that come with this pre-order are kind of weak... At least, to me.

There are some incredibly OP magic (for PVE, at least). Once you find Hexes (essentially the dark magic from Dark Souls DLC, but expanded and using both INT and FAITH), you will think magic is no longer weak. Plus, a few Pyromancies are amazing for PVP.
 

Artorias

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Im running a R9280x, i72600k at stock and so far its running a lot better. Smooth 60 all the time unlick the first DS which had sone random drops in frames.

I havnt played a lot so far, just into the forsest of the giants fort, but I do agree sthat sone places look really nice while there are just some textures like grass that look like ass.

I started as a cleric, first time im ever focusing on faith but Im sticking to melee and no buffs on weapons yet.

Also, I recommend the covenent of the champions, after 500hrs in the first DS, DS2 is really wiping the floor with me haha with the added difficulty.
 

ArchAngel777

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im lvl 34 and im still using one of the preorder maces, althouh my beloved halberd is starting to get better and better

My favorite weapon in any fantasy game is the traditional Halberd and or the Bardiche (Scythe in this game, not a traditional scythe though). I really like the move-set in the first game with the Scythe and Halberd.
 

ArchAngel777

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There are some incredibly OP magic (for PVE, at least). Once you find Hexes (essentially the dark magic from Dark Souls DLC, but expanded and using both INT and FAITH), you will think magic is no longer weak. Plus, a few Pyromancies are amazing for PVP.

I just know that the first game, NG++ was extremely easy with a mix of magic and pyro. A bit more difficult (but doable) with my pure Melee builds. Never really liked faith for PVE.

Yeah, it looks like Hexes are like Dark Magic. Dark Bead was extremely OP. Two Dark Beads at point blank and most bosses were dead.
 

Rhezuss

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That is hardly an achievement. The graphics of both those games were crap.

But I agree graphics aren't important in a metroidvania game, I wouldn't enjoy Ghouls'n'Goblins any more if its graphics were improved, same with DS.

Wow Ghouls'n'Goblins, that was awesome!
 

ArchAngel777

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I am part of the blue sentinels covenant and came up against my first ever witness of a cheat (or glitch)... Basically, is was three of us versus an invader. We did enough damage to the invader to kill him 50 times over. But his health bar never went below 100%. I hung in there for about 3 minutes back and forth, and eventually just used my separate crystal. Not going to give that jerk any free kills. I know he wasn't that good, because he wasn't able to hit me. I could outplay him, just wasn't able to do any damage to him, nor could any of the other people. What a shame. Oh well. Game is great otherwise.
 
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