Darwin out / Creationism In

[halik]

Originally posted by: preslove
Do they teach creationism before or after ethnic cleansing 101?

heehee touche'

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: edro13
How do creationists explain extinct species, and extinct precursors to humans... like neanderthals, australopithacines and homo erectus? Were they animals without feelings or souls, or are we derivatives of them? Are their fossil records witchcraft and shenanegans?

What is to explain? Evolution and Creationism are not in conflict, only the ignorant and the fanatic believe they are. It is quite possible that evolution is the means that God used to create the world, extinct species, fossils, and all. Why not?

Nah, I understand that... That is what I believe. Most Creationists believe that God created the world and universe all at one time.

I believe that God created the Universe, but that evolution and all that were just a by product.

 

[Doggiedog]

They came to their senses and reversed the ban.

 

[arcain]

Originally posted by: classy
I am just amazed at the belief of evolution. To believe the highest form of being on the planet some how evolved from a lesser form of mammal like a ape is just plain stupid. Not to mention we still have apes and monkeys still running around. I guess those monkeys didn't get the email. :laugh:

We didn't evolve from apes or monkeys. We evolved from a common ancestor as apes and monkeys.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Vic
Evolution and Creationism are not in conflict, only the ignorant and the fanatic believe they are.

The ideas themselves might not be contradictory, but they certainly conflict in the real world; It's a big issue which (if any) is taught in many schools, especially in southern & midwestern states. I'd add "realist" to your list of people who think they're in conflict

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
They came to their senses and reversed the ban.

Awesome

 

[StinkyPinky]

Originally posted by: classy
I am just amazed at the belief of evolution. To believe the highest form of being on the planet some how evolved from a lesser form of mammal like a ape is just plain stupid. Not to mention we still have apes and monkeys still running around. I guess those monkeys didn't get the email. :laugh:

I realise this is sarcasm, but for people who aren't aware of this, humans did not evolve from monkeys at all. And we also didn't evolve from apes. This is a common misconception. Humans evolved from the same ancestor as the other great apes.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: classy
I am just amazed at the belief of evolution. To believe the highest form of being on the planet some how evolved from a lesser form of mammal like a ape is just plain stupid. Not to mention we still have apes and monkeys still running around. I guess those monkeys didn't get the email. :laugh:

Monkeys get to run in the jungle, groom each other, eat, sleep, and swing from vines, and have hot wild monkey sex.

Humans get to slave away at endless boring jobs for slave-driving bosses in the hopes of somehow getting enough money and spare time to engage in the aforementioned Monkey Business.

...

Whichever one of my ancestors thought it was a bright idea to forgo the irresponsible jungle love, I'm going to find out and piss on his grave.

- M4H

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Whichever one of my ancestors thought it was a bright idea to forgo the irresponsible jungle love, I'm going to find out and piss on his grave.

- M4H

Just fire up some Morris Day and The Time and get your own Jungle Love.

OWEEOWEEOH!

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Whichever one of my ancestors thought it was a bright idea to forgo the irresponsible jungle love, I'm going to find out and piss on his grave.

- M4H

Just fire up some Morris Day and The Time and get your own Jungle Love.

OWEEOWEEOH!

It is Friday ...

- M4H

 

[Rainsford]

I love how everyone treats this as some sort of "all opinions are equally valid" discussion. Lest we forget, the theory of evolution isn't something a bunch of drunk scientists came up with after a wild night in Vegas. There are lots and lots of very valid and hard to dispute scientific evidence and arguments behind the it. Responding with "well, that's your opinion" ignores the fact that it is NOT, by and large, an opinion or belief. By and large, the vast majority of people fully informed about this topic accept the theory of evolution.

If anyone has a scientific debate, that's fine, that's how science improves. But there is usually no debate that doesn't, at some point, involve an obvious lack of scientific understanding.

 

[imported_Pablo]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Vic
Evolution and Creationism are not in conflict, only the ignorant and the fanatic believe they are.

The ideas themselves might not be contradictory, but they certainly conflict in the real world; It's a big issue which (if any) is taught in many schools, especially in southern & midwestern states. I'd add "realist" to your list of people who think they're in conflict

You're in the dark if you think the ACLU would allow creation to be taught in public schools ANYWHERE in this country. While the south and i suppose the midwest may be stereotyped into all being stuck in the 1960's, society everywhere has evolved since the days of Forrest Gump...

 

[imported_Pablo]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: classy
I am just amazed at the belief of evolution. To believe the highest form of being on the planet some how evolved from a lesser form of mammal like a ape is just plain stupid. Not to mention we still have apes and monkeys still running around. I guess those monkeys didn't get the email. :laugh:

Monkeys get to run in the jungle, groom each other, eat, sleep, and swing from vines, and have hot wild monkey sex.

Humans get to slave away at endless boring jobs for slave-driving bosses in the hopes of somehow getting enough money and spare time to engage in the aforementioned Monkey Business.

...

Whichever one of my ancestors thought it was a bright idea to forgo the irresponsible jungle love, I'm going to find out and piss on his grave.

- M4H

w00t for jungle love!

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Vic
Evolution and Creationism are not in conflict, only the ignorant and the fanatic believe they are.

The ideas themselves might not be contradictory, but they certainly conflict in the real world; It's a big issue which (if any) is taught in many schools, especially in southern & midwestern states. I'd add "realist" to your list of people who think they're in conflict

You're an f'ing moron if you think the ACLU would allow creation to be taught in public schools ANYWHERE in this country. While the south and i suppose the midwest may be stereotyped into all being stuck in the 1960's, society everywhere has evolved since the days of Forrest Gump...

Text, first link i found (not wasting more than 3 seconds searching for you). But as always, I appreciate it when people who have no argument choose to display this fact (and often their low age & IQ) by namecalling. It's a good way of conceding that someone else is right

 

[Siva]

I'm surprised at how many people out there haven't taken a college biology class. If everyone had, I'm pretty sure that creationism would be a nice little footnote in the history books.

 

[GMElias]

Originally posted by: dnetmhz
They have schools in Serbia?

hehe...I have a few Serbian friends...they are actually quite educated, which makes me wonder how this stuff happens.

Darwinism is a theory as dogmatic as the one which says God created the first man." ummmmmmm, well, I am Jewish, and religious, but this is still ridiculous. Besides, science often SUPPORTS religion. It doesn't always CONTRADICT religion (even read the works of one of the greatest scientist ever, Stephen Hawking!).

Anyway, this is really to bad, especially when Serbia seemed to be going in the right direction.


-Elias

 

[JDub02]

After studying Physics and Chemistry in college, I am quite a firm believer in a Creator of this world.

Just down to the electrons spinning around a nucleus. They're at the perfect speed. A bit slower and every collapses, a bit faster and everything explodes.

BTW, the video was no joke. It was quite educational. If you're not willing to at least listen to both sides and then make rational arguments for your beliefs, then you have no place in the discussion.

 

[JDub02]

apparently it's up to $250,000 .... go ahead and submit your claims monkey-boys

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[Gurck]

Originally posted by: JDub02
apparently it's up to $250,000 .... go ahead and submit your claims monkey-boys

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Many things commonly assumed as fact are just theory with a lot of supporting evidence. That doesn't mean evolution isn't fact, simply that we can't go back in time and make observations. What supporting evidence does creationism have?

Originally posted by: JDub02
After studying Physics and Chemistry in college, I am quite a firm believer in a Creator of this world.

Just down to the electrons spinning around a nucleus. They're at the perfect speed. A bit slower and every collapses, a bit faster and everything explodes.

If the structure of atoms wasn't as it is, we wouldn't exist to study it

If your belief is that there is a God who, instead of creating Adam & Eve, allowed us to evolve, you nevertheless believe in evolution, and so the issue in this thread is really about whether your God popped Adam & Eve into existence or we evolved into what we are.

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: JDub02
apparently it's up to $250,000 .... go ahead and submit your claims monkey-boys

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Many things commonly assumed as fact are just theory with a lot of supporting evidence. That doesn't mean evolution isn't fact, simply that we can't go back in time and make observations. What supporting evidence does creationism have?

God said so. Haven't you read Genesis?

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: edro13
How do creationists explain extinct species, and extinct precursors to humans... like neanderthals, australopithacines and homo erectus? Were they animals without feelings or souls, or are we derivatives of them? Are their fossil records witchcraft and shenanegans?

'Neanderthals', the name coming from the first example found in the Neander Valley, Germany, were agreed upon to be of modern human origin until it became convenient to call it a link between soup and modern man. In 1908, a textbook example of a skeleton classified as a 'neanderthal' was found in chain mail that had not been fully rusted.

Java Man, Piltdown Man, Rhodesian Man, Nebraska Man, Peking Man, Lucy. and many others have all been found to be falsely identified, being Australopithencines- 'Southern Ape', rather than links to men and animals. After derivation, Neanderthals, Australopithencines, and Homo Erectus all boil down to one animal, one that wasn't going anywhere.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: classy
I am just amazed at the belief of evolution. To believe the highest form of being on the planet some how evolved from a lesser form of mammal like a ape is just plain stupid. Not to mention we still have apes and monkeys still running around. I guess those monkeys didn't get the email. :laugh:

Please, for the love of god, don't ever breed.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: JDub02
After studying Physics and Chemistry in college, I am quite a firm believer in a Creator of this world.

Just down to the electrons spinning around a nucleus. They're at the perfect speed. A bit slower and every collapses, a bit faster and everything explodes.

BTW, the video was no joke. It was quite educational. If you're not willing to at least listen to both sides and then make rational arguments for your beliefs, then you have no place in the discussion.

For someone who studied physics and chemistry, you seem to have missed an important point. Our universe is incredibly complex, potentialy beyond our understanding, yet that in no way indicates there must have been a creator.

The complexity argument for the existence of a creator requires the belief that working complex systems cannot possibly come into being on their own. I have seen nothing in science that would indicate this is true...it MIGHT be, but I'd rather stick with the question than conclude that we don't know and that "God must have done it." Because if creationists are wrong, they'll never find out the real answer. But people who look at the question fully with an open mind are the ones who will find the truth, if there is one.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: JDub02
apparently it's up to $250,000 .... go ahead and submit your claims monkey-boys

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I was going to say you could prove it on a smaller scale, seeing that viruses evolve & we have observed it, but of course that dumbass says you can't use that as evidence.

He will only recognize the type of evidence that would take millions of years to provide, so this challenge isn't impressive at all.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: JDub02
After studying Physics and Chemistry in college, I am quite a firm believer in a Creator of this world.

Just down to the electrons spinning around a nucleus. They're at the perfect speed. A bit slower and every collapses, a bit faster and everything explodes.

BTW, the video was no joke. It was quite educational. If you're not willing to at least listen to both sides and then make rational arguments for your beliefs, then you have no place in the discussion.

If god created the universe and it is so perfect, why are there supernovas ("everything explodes" as you put it) and black holes ("everything collapses" as you put it)?

 

[imported_Pablo]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Pablo

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Vic
Evolution and Creationism are not in conflict, only the ignorant and the fanatic believe they are.

The ideas themselves might not be contradictory, but they certainly conflict in the real world; It's a big issue which (if any) is taught in many schools, especially in southern & midwestern states. I'd add "realist" to your list of people who think they're in conflict

You're an f'ing moron if you think the ACLU would allow creation to be taught in public schools ANYWHERE in this country. While the south and i suppose the midwest may be stereotyped into all being stuck in the 1960's, society everywhere has evolved since the days of Forrest Gump...

Text, first link i found (not wasting more than 3 seconds searching for you). But as always, I appreciate it when people who have no argument choose to display this fact (and often their low age & IQ) by namecalling. It's a good way of conceding that someone else is right

As you can tell by the time of your post, I quickly edited out the namecalling, even before you typed your post. But its good to see that with your intellegence, you were able to choose "low age & iq" instead of "young and stupid". If you had just eliminated your parenthetical statement, your arguement might have held water.

The actual ruling in that Georgia case was to allow for other points of view than simply evolution. If this had been the Georgia Department of education, it might be of note. It looks like it was the decision of a school district in Atlanta, one of many in the city: if you stereotype the entire south and midwest by a school board in atlanta, then yes, I would say that the south and midwest aren't as convinced of evolution as the rest of the United States.