Dash Cam video of Marana Arizona Police cruiser running over suspect

[JSt0rm]

my turn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVByrAm0bi8

comments:

I guess they know the media jumps all over them for shooting suspects. Now its time to run them over. Also why didnt he heed the other officers warning? He just blew right past and did it.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Pretty sure there is nothing in that officers training that suggests running over a suspect should be the primary course of action. American police seem to approach every situation as if they have somewhere to be in the next 5 minutes. No attempts made to assess the situation, talk down the suspect , etc. Jump straight to the lightning round.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

A couple of things to note. At the beginning of the video, the suspect fired his gun in the air. There is no doubt of whether or not this guy is armed, and firing his gun in public removes any doubt of whether this guy is dangerous. He seemed to be moving into an area that had parked cars and either a home or business, which to me, means he is an immediate threat of danger to bystanders.

As much as I hate many of the things cops have been doing lately, I am actually thinking the cop who went ramming speed did the right thing. That was some quick thinking and a great solution with minimal risk to any bystanders.

 

[Humpy]

A couple of things to note. At the beginning of the video, the suspect fired his gun in the air. There is no doubt of whether or not this guy is armed, and firing his gun in public removes any doubt of whether this guy is dangerous. He seemed to be moving into an area that had parked cars and either a home or business, which to me, means he is an immediate threat of danger to bystanders.

As much as I hate many of the things cops have been doing lately, I am actually thinking the cop who went ramming speed did the right thing. That was some quick thinking and a great solution with minimal risk to any bystanders.

Why exactly was it a better solution than shooting him?

 

[JSt0rm]

Why exactly was it a better solution than shooting him?

Because no kids were playing on the other side of that retaining wall he crushed.

 

[realibrad]

Pretty sure there is nothing in that officers training that suggests running over a suspect should be the primary course of action. American police seem to approach every situation as if they have somewhere to be in the next 5 minutes. No attempts made to assess the situation, talk down the suspect , etc. Jump straight to the lightning round.

Maybe you should read up on the situation.

The guy had a gun was was randomly firing it, and then pointed the gun to his head. The cop running the guy down may have very well saves his life. Further, striking the guy is better than shooting the guy. You cant let someone start shooting at people, and expect the police to try and talk him down.

 

[Humpy]

Further, striking the guy is better than shooting the guy.

Why?

Wait, are you saying that the cop ran him over with his car in a heroic attempt to save his life?

 

[JSt0rm]

and expect the police to try and talk him down.

I would rather have police that are trained in conflict resolution. The training as it is now is basically overwhelm the enemy with force and sort it out in the end. Its crap and as a tax payer I dont want to fund that.

 

[bshole]

The guy had a gun was was randomly firing it, and then pointed the gun to his head. The cop running the guy down may have very well saves his life. Further, striking the guy is better than shooting the guy. You cant let someone start shooting at people, and expect the police to try and talk him down.

See Reali, we do agree sometimes. I concur with your analysis.

 

[Subyman]

Thought I was watching a cop parody movie there. Super Trooper 2 trailer?

 

[michal1980]

GTA is now a police trainer.

And cops were worried it would bring more harm to them.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Full time line.

Started with robbing a 7-11. Then proceeded to set fire to a church that was occupied. Broke into a home and stole a car. Drove to Walmart and stole a .30-30 and ammunition. Then when encountered by police he refused to drop his weapon several times, walked away, stopped then pointed his rifle at the officers repeatedly. He then started moving towards fully staffed businesses randomly firing into the air and pointing the weapon at his head.

Having a hard time feeling bad on this one. He was a threat based on the totality of his actions. Not just what is on that video.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Why exactly was it a better solution than shooting him?

I think either solution would work. I just like the ramming speed solution better than the typical cop spray and pray, which has a chance of hitting innocents in addition to the suspect. Either way, the intent is to incapacitate the guy and it worked. Do you have a problem with this particular solution?

 

[JSt0rm]

I think either solution would work. I just like the ramming speed solution better than the typical cop spray and pray, which has a chance of hitting innocents in addition to the suspect. Either way, the intent is to incapacitate the guy and it worked. Do you have a problem with this particular solution?

So the guy wanted to commit suicide and you think the solution would be to put holes in him?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

So the guy wanted to commit suicide and you think the solution would be to put holes in him?

The guy was firing his gun. There is a huge difference between holding a gun to your head vs firing the gun in the air randomly. Sure I don't think the typical solution to a suicidal guy is to grant him his wish. But when he becomes an active threat, the threat needs to be eliminated.

 

[Ns1]

So the guy wanted to commit suicide and you think the solution would be to put holes in him?

that's what I call customer service :thumbsup:

 

[JSt0rm]

when he becomes an active threat, the threat needs to be eliminated with force.

Fixed that for you.

At what point is it ok to talk to someone before killing them or seriously hurting them?

Shouldn't police assume some risk in dealing with a person? Isn't that their job?

 

[highland145]

Full time line.

Started with robbing a 7-11. Then proceeded to set fire to a church that was occupied. Broke into a home and stole a car. Drove to Walmart and stole a .30-30 and ammunition. Then when encountered by police he refused to drop his weapon several times, walked away, stopped then pointed his rifle at the officers repeatedly. He then started moving towards fully staffed businesses randomly firing into the air and pointing the weapon at his head.

Having a hard time feeling bad on this one. He was a threat based on the totality of his actions. Not just what is on that video.

Good shoot...er...hit.

 

[Lash444]

Someone needs to put this on loop to the dukes of hazard theme song.

 

[touchstone]

Clearly the guy was armed so isn't it dangerous to drive directly at him?



What ever happened to calling for backup. Didn't they used to have 'negotiators'? I guess they closed that department. I can't even remember the last time I saw cops 'negotiate'. It's always kill kill kill.

 

[JSt0rm]

Someone needs to put this on loop to the dukes of hazard theme song.

do that with this video please (but let the audio play still):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhalpfzzFEo

 

[Atreus21]

Full time line.

Started with robbing a 7-11. Then proceeded to set fire to a church that was occupied. Broke into a home and stole a car. Drove to Walmart and stole a .30-30 and ammunition. Then when encountered by police he refused to drop his weapon several times, walked away, stopped then pointed his rifle at the officers repeatedly. He then started moving towards fully staffed businesses randomly firing into the air and pointing the weapon at his head.

Having a hard time feeling bad on this one. He was a threat based on the totality of his actions. Not just what is on that video.

Agree here.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Fixed that for you.

At what point is it ok to talk to someone before killing them or seriously hurting them?

Shouldn't police assume some risk in dealing with a person? Isn't that their job?

These days the safety of officers is considered paramount above all other concerns. Officers supposedly carry guns for their safety, but because they have those weapons on them, any physical altercation gives an officer justification to use deadly force due to the threat of his weapon being taken from him.

I'd be very curious to see a police department experiment with taking guns away from it's officers. I suspect it would alter their behavior for the better since they wouldn't be so quick to resort to violence.

 

[realibrad]

I would rather have police that are trained in conflict resolution. The training as it is now is basically overwhelm the enemy with force and sort it out in the end. Its crap and as a tax payer I dont want to fund that.

All of that is probably a good idea. This situation was not as simple as most. He had a gun, and was firing it randomly. Someone who is willing to be that reckless is a danger and needs to be stopped. I am all for talking a mentally ill person from doing bad things, but public safety comes first. I have commented many times on police abuse but this is not one of those times.

 

[JSt0rm]

what this does is highlight once again the violence inherent in the system (to quote you know what)