Dash Cam video of Marana Arizona Police cruiser running over suspect

[JSt0rm]

I get it, you learned a big word in class today.

In the meantime, you've officially been called out for being a fucking idiot.

I can tell you are getting excited. Saying things like fucking idiot. Strawman isnt a big word. Floccinaucinihilipilification is a big word.

It's not the first time, as I recall you favoring Tsarnaev not be thrown in jail or executed for detonating a bomb in a crowd but instead housed and "studied". Perhaps this time you will make a convincing argument as to why your pacifist approach is superior.

Lmao. Yup, I'm that guy. Wanting to study why people become extremists. Silly me we should just kill them. Who cares why.

Make love not war, right brah. :awe:

The human condition wont allow for that unfortunately. Not on any large scale. You seem to be a pretty good example of that. Im sure you are proud of your violent tendencies.

 

[highland145]

Khaki's...hideous.

 

[JSt0rm]

Khaki's...hideous.

Again. you make no sense.

 

[HTFOff]

I can tell you are getting excited. Saying things like fucking idiot. Strawman isnt a big word. Floccinaucinihilipilification is a big word.

Lmao. Yup, I'm that guy. Wanting to study why people become extremists. Silly me we should just kill them. Who cares why.

The human condition wont allow for that unfortunately. Not on any large scale. You seem to be a pretty good example of that. Im sure you are proud of your violent tendencies.

I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it. I'm seriously about to lose control and I think I like it.

Now that we've got that out of the way, i'll wait for your argument as to why your approach is best. Just tell us how you feel. You have to crawl before you can walk, remember that, sport.

 

[Carson Dyle]

The guy had a gun. Police are permitted to execute anyone with a gun.

 

[highland145]

Again. you make no sense.

And your "burn" gif does? Mine is perfectly understandable. Google is your friend..."Jake from State farm"...that's you, in the AM aftermath of an assault on your loved ones. Your family will understand.

 

[JSt0rm]

The guy had a gun. They're allowed to execute anyone with a gun.

What about a 'murican? Can they shoot a 'murican?

 

[JSt0rm]

And your "burn" gif does? Mine is perfectly understandable. Google is your friend..."Jake from State farm"...that's you, in the AM aftermath of an assault on your loved ones. Your family will understand.

Oh I dont watch tv so I would never know what that meant.

 

[highland145]

I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it. I'm seriously about to lose control and I think I like it.
.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it. I'm seriously about to lose control and I think I like it.

Now that we've got that out of the way, i'll wait for your argument as to why your approach is best. Just tell us how you feel. You have to crawl before you can walk, remember that, sport.

My approach? You mean an attempt to end a conflict without resorting to violence? Yes please enlighten me as to why violence is always the first answer. :wub:

 

[NoStateofMind]

Give it up Johnny. The cop haters (trolls) here will be calling the cops if they need them. They'll be 5+ min away. And, yes, we've had some fine examples of people that shouldn't be near guns or cars or have a badge.

What other choice would they have?

 

[JSt0rm]

What other choice would they have?

home alone style booby traps and a steel bunker 100 ft under the house?

 

[highland145]

What other choice would they have?

Heh, grow a pair, maybe.

 

[JSt0rm]

Heh, grow a pair, maybe.

Real men use violence as a first response to anything? And if they dont they are effeminate? No wonder we are so fucked if people have this mentality.

 

[highland145]

What other choice would they have?

Real men use violence as a first response to anything? And if they dont they are effeminate? No wonder we are so fucked if people have this mentality.

lol that would be a no. You implied you would defend your family. As you should.


Or were you just posturing?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

My approach? You mean an attempt to end a conflict without resorting to violence? Yes please enlighten me as to why violence is always the first answer. :wub:

Violence was resorted to before the police were even involved. I'm not sure if you heard about the church he set on fire with people inside or any of the other people he shot at or pointed his weapon at.

Sometimes cops need to get involved and sometimes they will need to use force. These times may be FAR less than most cops think, yet these times do exist. This was clearly one of them. You might not want my advice, but I think you should let this one go and continue to make your point on the threads where the use of force actually is questionable.

 

[JSt0rm]

lol that would be a no. You implied you would defend your family. As you should.


Or were you just posturing?

of course but that would begin with talking not just shooting someone.

 

[Zodiark1593]

Fixed that for you.

At what point is it ok to talk to someone before killing them or seriously hurting them?

Shouldn't police assume some risk in dealing with a person? Isn't that their job?

There's a world of difference between risking your life, and doing something that will almost certainly kill you.

Given the options, running the crook down was probably the swiftest and lowest bodily risk option available. I believe that when a suspect becomes an active threat to civilian or police alike, the swiftest measure possible to eliminate the threat should be taken, without any regard for said suspect's life. A car is quite a viable weapon if the opportunity to eliminate the threat presents itself. My reasoning is preserving innocent lives takes precedence over keeping the suspect alive. The moment a suspect threatens civilians, he is less than a human, and deserves no more mercy than an rogue animal until he is dead, or apprehended, whichever comes first.

 

[HTFOff]

My approach? You mean an attempt to end a conflict without resorting to violence? Yes please enlighten me as to why violence is always the first answer. :wub:

Dude, violence, one way or another is rarely the first answer. It's often the only answer, though. You need to come back down to earth a bit. People turn from opinionated to malevolent. When that happens, the outcome is never in doubt. You fancy yourself sophisticated. I'm sophisticated too. When you fuck with society, with innocent people, you should expect to be repaid for your malevolence. It's 2015, the earth, humanity, simply does not have time for your bullshit/insolence.

 

[DrPizza]

My God, I can just imagine some of you as parents. Little Johnny's going to be swinging a hammer around, smashing windows and furniture in the house, and you're going to stand back 20 feet and say, "now, now, Johnny, if you keep doing that, I'm going to have to put you into a time out."

If someone's making verbal threats, you can attempt to verbally talk them down. But, if someone has escalated to physical violence, you don't talk them down; you respond physically. For the morons who think that means I'm suggesting you run Johnny over with a car, no. But, as a parent, you physically intervene and stop the kid - grab the hammer from him, etc. You can't just walk up to someone who is violent and randomly shooting a gun; and that person is an IMMEDIATE threat to everyone around him, including regular citizens, not just the police. As a taxpayer, if someone were in front of my house, my business, etc., and threatening to do something, I don't care how long the police talk to him. But, if that someone is randomly firing a lethal weapon, I want it stopped *NOW*.

 

[WackyDan]

A couple of things to note. At the beginning of the video, the suspect fired his gun in the air. There is no doubt of whether or not this guy is armed, and firing his gun in public removes any doubt of whether this guy is dangerous. He seemed to be moving into an area that had parked cars and either a home or business, which to me, means he is an immediate threat of danger to bystanders.

As much as I hate many of the things cops have been doing lately, I am actually thinking the cop who went ramming speed did the right thing. That was some quick thinking and a great solution with minimal risk to any bystanders.

" It was part of a rampage that began with Valencia's robbery — wearing only underwear — at a 7-Eleven, then breaking into a church and setting it on fire followed by a home invasion and then boosting a car, Marana police said."

Terror to the public... Mow down was justified.

 

[WackyDan]

I would rather have police that are trained in conflict resolution. The training as it is now is basically overwhelm the enemy with force and sort it out in the end. Its crap and as a tax payer I dont want to fund that.

They did indeed resolve the conflict:

" It was part of a rampage that began with Valencia's robbery — wearing only underwear — at a 7-Eleven, then breaking into a church and setting it on fire followed by a home invasion and then boosting a car, Marana police said."

 

[realibrad]

" It was part of a rampage that began with Valencia's robbery — wearing only underwear — at a 7-Eleven, then breaking into a church and setting it on fire followed by a home invasion and then boosting a car, Marana police said."

Terror to the public... Mow down was justified.

And to think if someone had just talked to him, he would have stopped, put on pants, and went home.

 

[WackyDan]

Clearly the guy was armed so isn't it dangerous to drive directly at him?



What ever happened to calling for backup. Didn't they used to have 'negotiators'? I guess they closed that department. I can't even remember the last time I saw cops 'negotiate'. It's always kill kill kill.

Active shooter= no negotiation. They had at least three units already on him based on the video and probably more out of the frame. They had been already tracking and chasing this guy for the rampage he's been on that day.

I'd say they assessed the situation and responded as best they could. HE IS ALIVE.

 

[WackyDan]

We need to alter the training of the police. No more us vs them mentality. No more violence as first action.

There it is...You identify with the criminal. Who is the problem again? See, I don't identify with the police or the criminal element, therefore I don't have an issue with them taking this guy down _ ALIVE_ to stop a violent rampage.