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Perknose

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This thread has established 2 things fairly convincingly:
1. The cop acted in an illegal and dangerous manner
2. A person has a right to know what they are being arrested for

How the suggestion that it is generally a good idea to follow the instructions of a police officer attacks in any way #1 or #2 is beyond me.

C'mon, you are a far more subtle and intelligent poster than that. For all too many of the posters, the "suggestion" is stated, in some cases ignoring everything else, to discount or deflect from the actions of this felonious badged bully as being the main story here.

I find your post disingenuous, to put it mildly.
 

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C'mon, you are a far more subtle and intelligent poster than that. For all too many of the posters, the "suggestion" is stated, in some cases ignoring everything else, to discount or deflect from the actions of this felonious badged bully as being the main story here.

I find your post disingenuous, to put it mildly.

C'mon, you are a far more subtle and intelligent poster than that. For all too many of the posters, the attack on this "suggestion" is a straw-man, in some cases ignoring everything else, to discount or deflect from the notion that we might learn something of how to understand or modify the societal framework that will inevitable produce similar tragedies.

I find your post disingenuous, to put it mildly.
 

buckshot24

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Why should he kick himself for giving good, legal advice based on actual LEO experience? He SHOULD be kicking the asshole who shat on his son's life.
That legal advice didn't serve his son very well. He's basically a vegetable.
You must think that rape victims should be busily kicking themselves for wearing that darned mini skirt.
Did I say the dad SHOULD be kicking himself? No. I said I bet he's kicking himself.
Let me help you out: the blame goes to the asshole who is going to jail. That's it.
Did I say otherwise?
 

MrPickins

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That legal advice didn't serve his son very well. He's basically a vegetable.
Did I say the dad SHOULD be kicking himself? No. I said I bet he's kicking himself.
Did I say otherwise?



Have you even read anything about this case or are you just exaggerating to make your argument sound more impressive?
 

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Have you even read anything about this case or are you just exaggerating to make your argument sound more impressive?

I do not wish to vouch for buckshot, but this post did confuse me initially as the first page used the words "brain dead" in the discussion of the man's condition. Clearly this was never the case.

And a medical FYI, brain dead is dead.
 
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I do not wish to vouch for buckshot, but this post did confuse me initially as the first page used the words "brain dead" in the discussion of the man's condition. Clearly this was never the case.

And a medical FYI, brain dead is dead.

FYI: from the op, "the kid now has permanent brain damage."
 

Perknose

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C'mon, you are a far more subtle and intelligent poster than that. For all too many of the posters, the attack on this "suggestion" is a straw-man, in some cases ignoring everything else, to discount or deflect from the notion that we might learn something of how to understand or modify the societal framework that will inevitable produce similar tragedies.

I find your post disingenuous, to put it mildly.

Troll confirmed. The societal framework that I wish to see is one in which that kid, following his police officer fathers advice, doesn't end up getting viciously brutalized by a bully with a badge, even if he didn't immediately exit his goddamn car.

Fuck you and your pious trolling.

There is nothing inevitable about that kid's permanent brain damage stemming from his asking why he was being detained before exiting his car save the disgusting bully with a badge, a bully who had been fired from his previous police force for bragging about hunting n*****s"

Focusing on what the kid did might have slightly done wrong is a disgusting right wing troll, end of story. You trying to turn the tables is a transparent false equivalency, and that you do so in your faux pious way is even more dangerous and disgusting, a real authoritarian weasel move.
 

buckshot24

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Troll confirmed. The societal framework that I wish to see is one in which that kid, following his police officer fathers advice, doesn't end up getting viciously brutalized by a bully with a badge, even if he didn't immediately exit his goddamn car.

Fuck you and your pious trolling.
Unfortunately people aren't always going to do what is right. To assume that they will is stupid and dangerous.
 
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Do you think the kid's dad may be regretting his advice to his son? I know I would.

I suspect that he's regretting that his son met up with an out of control asshole who abused his position as a police officer while damaging his son's health and well being for life.

That's what I think.
 

buckshot24

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I suspect that he's regretting that his son met up with an out of control asshole who abused his position as a police officer while damaging his son's health and well being for life.

That's what I think.
Obviously! That wasn't the question.
 

brycejones

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From victim blaming to diverting to the victim's father and if he should feel guilty this thread is pretty typical for certain posters.
 

buckshot24

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From victim blaming to diverting to the victim's father and if he should feel guilty this thread is pretty typical for certain posters.
I didn't say the dad should feel guilty. Why do you guys keep putting words in my mouth? The person who should feel guilty is the cop.
 

buckshot24

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Yes, your "question" was beyond stupid.
I think the dad is regretting not telling his son more whether he should or not is irrelevant. I'll add what you think about that to the list of things I'll never know.

It was a question so I'm not sure why you put that word in quotes.
 

buckshot24

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Reading fail on your part. Try again.

From victim blaming to diverting to the victim's father and if he should feel guilty this thread is pretty typical for certain posters.

I'm just trying to have a conversation. I have no agenda to getting the cop some positive PR or anything else. The cop should go to jail and the kid did nothing wrong.
 

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Troll confirmed. The societal framework that I wish to see is one in which that kid, following his police officer fathers advice, doesn't end up getting viciously brutalized by a bully with a badge, even if he didn't immediately exit his goddamn car.

Fuck you and your pious trolling.

There is nothing inevitable about that kid's permanent brain damage stemming from his asking why he was being detained before exiting his car save the disgusting bully with a badge, a bully who had been fired from his previous police force for bragging about hunting n*****s"

Focusing on what the kid did might have slightly done wrong is a disgusting right wing troll, end of story.

You have written a response so rich with material that I almost wish to indulge it. Honestly, though, my biggest problem in doing so is that I can't really look at what is written in this thread that invited such a reaction. I am guessing this response has a lot to do with what I have written in other threads and not just this one. If so, I really don't have sufficient framework to generate a response to your words, and I really don't want to continue with tit for tat negotiation tactics until we get to the point of hashing it out.

So I'll simply state why I chose to address the validity behind buckshot & others' words in absence of the danger of losing focus on the greater issue.

Simply put, I agree with you. LEOs have been granted a great authority, and sufficient enough quantity of them have violated the sanctity of the charge to use it responsibly that the public has lost faith in their basic motives. That is coupled with a system that makes obtaining justice for such arrogance very difficult, or at a minimum not on par with the public who is at risk of being abused.

Yet, I do not wish to hitch my wagon to those who might actually make strides in providing accountability if they are unwilling to look into the eyes of people who recognize that horrible acts are committed by actual people, and as people, we have a human interaction with those who have authority over us, and the nature of that human interaction has some influence on how that goes.

In my experience, there are quite a lot of people who have lost site of their charge to wield authority responsibly who might actually be able to put it back into focus if you merely act in a way that demonstrates you have an understanding that your actions have an influence on their attention to this responsibly.

From your posts, it seems you fear that making such a concession weakens the position that such abuses of power are evil and demand a reckoning which is frustratingly ephemeral.

The reason why I attack it, however, is because, it is my firm belief that refusing to allow more complexity in this situation weakens your ability to make something useful happen from your moral position. And, believe me, your moral position is absolutely correct.

You trying to turn the tables is a transparent false equivalency, and that you do so in your faux pious way is even more dangerous and disgusting, a real authoritarian weasel move.

This last sentence is intriguing. And so interesting it appears in this context -- when we are discussing abuse of authority.

I think you might understand, form director, if you think about it, why I have chosen to disclaim that I am a physician. And it makes me curious how you feel about your own position here. One that gives you authority. An authority that you advertise. And an authority that you wield to enforce the rules here. And it is a charge in which you must provide a great deal of autonomy to the posters, and yet also places you in position to exercise that authority responsibly. And I wonder, despite all the rules, how often it is you question whether you are doing the right thing. But then there's all the rest. All the rest that surely annoys you, eats at you, where you have to police the idiocy of humanity that really ought to know better. And then those times when you really ought not intervene, but you know that people are acting like such idiots and you could fix things by doing so. It surely frustrates you. It must be hard not to lose site of that charge to use your authority responsibly.

And I ask you. Why not abdicate that authority if it frustrates you? Surely someone else would like to be forum director. Surely that authority must be enticing to someone.

Funny, though. If all the people with authority gave it away to those who did not feel conflicted about having authority and using it responsibly, then the only people we'd be left with who had any power would be narcissistic assholes.

I advertise my authority. I possess it. I put people in position to challenge me on whether I am using it responsibly. I explore those boundaries. I push buttons. Guilty as charged. Except, if I did not do that, how could I be 100% positive that I was not losing site of my charge to use it responsibly?
 

glenn1

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From victim blaming to diverting to the victim's father and if he should feel guilty this thread is pretty typical for certain posters.

Can you do more than one action simultaneously? Walk and chew gum? Consider the actions of two people simultaneously?

Stop turning off half your brain when someone gets certain crimes happen to them. I don't care if you got raped, or beaten by a cop, or whatever. We can independently look at what you did before that happened and it's not "victim blaming" to do so unless you're an idiot. It doesn't help the victims to ignore their actions, doesn't excuse away what happened to them, and doesn't "minimize the crime."
 

Darwin333

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Do you think the kid's dad may be regretting his advice to his son? I know I would.

About the same as a father who tells his son to stand up for himself and then gets curb stomped by some thug.

I assume that you are teaching your kids to simply lay down and take it when anyone tries to deny them of their rights because they might be willing to further break the law and seriously injure them, right?
 
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