Database of All UK Children Launched

TruePaige

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8052512.stm

Database of all children launched

A controversial database which holds the details of every child in England has become available to childcare professionals for the first time.

ContactPoint, a response to Lord Laming's report following the death of Victoria Climbie, is beginning its national roll-out in the north west.

But the system, costing £224m, has been delayed twice amid data security fears.

The government says it will enable more co-ordinated services for children and ensure none slips through the net.

But in 2007, a report into the project by auditors Deloitte and Touche said it could never be totally secure.

Last summer ministers delayed the database, admitting there were some "issues" identified in testing.

It says 390,000 people will have access to the database, but will have gone through stringent security training.

'Save time'

The system will be available to workers in 17 local authorities in the north west of England, before eventually being rolled out across the rest of the country.

More than 51,000 children deemed vulnerable will have their identities and information shielded, the government says, after fears were raised that information about children's whereabouts could fall into the wrong hands.

CONTACTPOINT DATA
# Name, address, date of birth, gender and contact details for parents or carers
# Each child also has a unique identifying number
# Details of the child's school and GP practice and for other practitioners or services working with the child
# Whether the practitioner is the lead professional for that child Source: DCSF

The government said the database was vital to prevent any child slipping through the net, and would enable professionals to see quickly and easily which other services and people were in contact with a child.

England's children's minister, Delyth Morgan, said: "Under current arrangements if a practitioner believes that a child is at risk or may need additional support, for example if they have a disability, they may have no way of knowing whether other services might already be in contact with that child.

"We estimate that ContactPoint, when fully operational, can save at least five million hours of professionals' time, freeing them up from trying to track down other practitioners and enabling them to spend more time on the child."

The Liberal Democrats have previously called for the project to be scrapped, calling it "intrusive", and the Tories questioned its security.

But it has been welcomed by the chief executive of children's charity Barnardo's, Martin Narey, who said it "would make it easier to deliver better-co-ordinated services".

Personally I find the lack of resistance the UK has met in becoming the iconic police state of the world unnerving.

With the UK as such an extreme it makes the constant eroding of citizens rights in other nations like the United States, France, and Canada seem moderate. This makes it all that much easier for the whole world to lose the ideal of freedom.
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: techs
One of the drawbacks of not having a Constitution.

Yeah well lots of things I thought would never happen because of the Constitution have.

The government tracking our GPS data without warrants? Check.
Warrantless wiretapping? Check.
Illegal Border Search & Seizure? Check.

Not saying it doesn't help but when the people who want to get information on you are the ones with the power to decide what the constitution means / change it / override parts with executive orders, what can you do?
 

MotF Bane

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Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: techs
One of the drawbacks of not having a Constitution.

Yeah well lots of things I thought would never happen because of the Constitution have.

The government tracking our GPS data without warrants? Check.
Warrantless wiretapping? Check.
Illegal Border Search & Seizure? Check.

Not saying it doesn't help but when the people who want to get information on you are the ones with the power to decide what the constitution means / change it / override parts with executive orders, what can you do?

Burn them at the stake?
 

StageLeft

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WHAT THE FVCK IS WRONG WITH ENGLAND? God help that place, how is it so fvcked? My dad (English) said it's amazing what the Labour party has done in just 12 years to help destroy England. I have a neighbor who moved to the US around 15 years ago and also is in some state of sorrow over what is going on there.

Who the fvck thought this would be a good idea? Stringent security training for 390,000 people, are you kidding me?

As I've said before, Thank God my parents moved us out of there when we were kids. It's unreal how virtually every new law or guideline is an injurious one.

Of course, this is for the kids, so it's all A-ok. Never-mind now people can spy on their neighbors, maybe even a pedophile childcare professional can start really planning some sh*t out with all this helpful information about the kids' parents and careers.

What this fails to clarify, which is of course important, is whether these professionals have data for each kid at all times or whether they need to go through an approval process to gather information about a child first.

Since it's hiding details of 51k kids specifically, those details are there presumably can can be accessed with approval, thus it's safe to assume that the rest of them are open freely.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: techs
One of the drawbacks of not having a Constitution.

Yeah well lots of things I thought would never happen because of the Constitution have.

The government tracking our GPS data without warrants? Check.
Warrantless wiretapping? Check.
Illegal Border Search & Seizure? Check.

Not saying it doesn't help but when the people who want to get information on you are the ones with the power to decide what the constitution means / change it / override parts with executive orders, what can you do?

forgot to add the fact taht the goverment will/can take your property and give them to PRIVATE business or give it for a idiotic "memorial" (i am nto against the memorial. i am against needing 2200 acres for it)

i also suspect its going to get worse.
 

dphantom

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It is getting worse here too. And our Constitution will be of little protection if we don't decide to do something to prevent government intrusion into our lives. There is no such thing as good governmnet. If we start with that premise, government can ever grow to control us as ours is doing and has been for the last 70 years.
 

2Xtreme21

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Originally posted by: dphantom
It is getting worse here too. And our Constitution will be of little protection if we don't decide to do something to prevent government intrusion into our lives. There is no such thing as good governmnet. If we start with that premise, government can ever grow to control us as ours is doing and has been for the last 70 years.

People are all too willing to give up liberty in favor of security...
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Originally posted by: dphantom
It is getting worse here too. And our Constitution will be of little protection if we don't decide to do something to prevent government intrusion into our lives. There is no such thing as good governmnet. If we start with that premise, government can ever grow to control us as ours is doing and has been for the last 70 years.

People are all too willing to give up liberty in favor of security...

History always repeats itself.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: techs
One of the drawbacks of not having a Constitution.

Yeah well lots of things I thought would never happen because of the Constitution have.

The government tracking our GPS data without warrants? Check.
Warrantless wiretapping? Check.
Illegal Border Search & Seizure? Check.

Not saying it doesn't help but when the people who want to get information on you are the ones with the power to decide what the constitution means / change it / override parts with executive orders, what can you do?

forgot to add the fact taht the goverment will/can take your property and give them to PRIVATE business or give it for a idiotic "memorial" (i am nto against the memorial. i am against needing 2200 acres for it)

i also suspect its going to get worse.

That kind of shit has been happening forever but just generally out of the public eye or care. Our government has appropriated land in various less than fair ways since it was founded.

 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: TruePaige
With the UK as such an extreme it makes the constant eroding of citizens rights in other nations like the United States, France, and Canada seem moderate.

This is a dumb idea, but little dirrerent from ordinary medical databases, which are held on both children and adults, are accessable to huge numbers of people, and exist all over the world not just in the UK. In comparison to elements of current US law, which blatently remove basic human rights, I would say this one is fairly tame.

Not that we shouldn't be opposed to the increase in data held on individuals - we should.
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's unreal how virtually every new law or guideline is an injurious one.

Everything that happens outside America is evil if you get your news from this forum.
 

OCGuy

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The UK is so whacked out at this point nothing can save it as far as privacy goes.
 

Ronstang

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How many here are outraged at this yet support UHC where our government is going to have digital records of every individuals' medical records?
 

Genx87

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Oh quit being so worried about Big Brotha! Until they put the tracking chips into the kids there is nothing to worry about!
 

her209

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
How many here are outraged at this yet support UHC where our government is going to have digital records of every individuals' medical records?
The government knows where you live, what date you were born, how much you make, what cars you own, etc.
 

brandonb

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Ronstang
How many here are outraged at this yet support UHC where our government is going to have digital records of every individuals' medical records?
The government knows where you live, what date you were born, how much you make, what cars you own, etc.

So true. I grew up in Minnesota. But I lived in Colorado for a year in 2005. I was unemployed at the beginning of 2005 (I was not collecting unemployment checks), which is why I moved to Colorado for a job. When I came back in 2006, I filed a joint colorado/minnesota tax return...

3 years later (about 3 months ago) I get a call from Minnesota Department of Revenue asking where was my tax form for 2005. I'm like "Um. I lived in Colorado that year. I didn't have a job in Minnesota, and when I moved back in 2006, I filed a joint return." The guy was like "Oh yes. I see that. Disregard this call." No big deal.

Being the conscious citizen I am. I asked him... "Why did I come up in your database to call? What triggered you to call me?" He said "because of your bank account and credit card information must have triggered our computers. Were you in the state in 2005?" I said "Yes, in the beginning before I moved to Colorado but I was unemployed and did not receive a check."

So apparently the state has access to everybody's bank account and credit card information.

That makes me nervous.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Ronstang
How many here are outraged at this yet support UHC where our government is going to have digital records of every individuals' medical records?
The government knows where you live, what date you were born, how much you make, what cars you own, etc.

And you're ok with that?
 

SammyJr

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
How many here are outraged at this yet support UHC where our government is going to have digital records of every individuals' medical records?

I am more comfortable with Government access to medical records when compared with private for-profit insurance companies having access to the same records.
 

StinkyPinky

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Apparently in the UK the average person is captured on CCTV dozens of times a day. The ultimate nanny state.

And they used to be such badasses too. Conquering half the world with a stiff upper lip, a cup of tea, and even without any dental plans.

It's happening here as well. Slowely but surely...
 

f95toli

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Maybe I am missing something here, but why EXACTLY do you find this to be controversial?

I can understand fears about data security etc (especially in the UK, the authories here do not exactly have a good track record when it comes to keeping data safe).
However, from what I can from some of the comments here some of you are objecting to the very idea that the government in the UK has such a database with information about its citiziens (children in this case).

Now, I am reasonably sure that e.g. the police or IRS in the US can find out exactly the same type information as is in this database about most(probably all) american citiziens (via social security numbers, drivers licenses etc) in a matter of minutes if they want to.

My point is that no modern state could function unless its government was allowed to use databases to keep track of people.
(exactly what should be included in that database and who should have acces to it is a separate issue)


 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: f95toli
Maybe I am missing something here, but why EXACTLY do you find this to be controversial?

I can understand fears about data security etc (especially in the UK, the authories here do not exactly have a good track record when it comes to keeping data safe).
However, from what I can from some of the comments here some of you are objecting to the very idea that the government in the UK has such a database with information about its citiziens (children in this case).

Now, I am reasonably sure that e.g. the police or IRS in the US can find out exactly the same type information as is in this database about most(probably all) american citiziens (via social security numbers, drivers licenses etc) in a matter of minutes if they want to.

My point is that no modern state could function unless its government was allowed to use databases to keep track of people.
(exactly what should be included in that database and who should have acces to it is a separate issue)

In a free society, why do you feel it's the government's job to track people? Are you a free man or a slave? One of them gets branded and tracked like cattle, the other does not. I'll leave it as an exercise to you to determine which is which.
 

sactoking

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Originally posted by: waggy
forgot to add the fact taht the goverment will/can take your property and give them to PRIVATE business

That's not true. In less than 1 year after Kelo v New London 34 states passed measures preventing eminent domain from being used for private enterprise. I can only imagine that number has gone up in the past 2.5 years.

On the 1-year anniversary of the Kelo decision, then-President Bush signed an executive order preventing the Fed Govt from using eminent domain for private enterprise.
 
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