Dateline NBC: To Catch A Predator IV

[aswedc]

lol what hick cops

 

[LookingGlass]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
I'm certainly not on the side of the predators, but this type of "journalism" smacks of entrapment.

What about the entrapment the predators do to the kids?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney
Man, it's a little disturbing watching this. I wouldn't even call these fvckers sick, just pathetic. Pathetic men who have such low self-esteem and confidence, that they can't handle women their own age, so they go for kids.

You obviously haven't a clue about pedophelia or the psychology of it. Pretty ignorant comment.

Um i do actually. That's the reason why these men go for these kids, it's because they can't handle the possible judgement from women their own age, so they try to go for those without experience.

Now tell me, what's your experience from? Academic or from actual expereince?

Academic. My ex wife is a psychologist. And you are dead wrong.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: LookingGlass

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
I'm certainly not on the side of the predators, but this type of "journalism" smacks of entrapment.

What about the entrapment the predators do to the kids?

Well, this isn't entrapment to begin with. What these people do (perverted justice i think it was called) is simply put up fake blogs and websites on myspace and such... and the pervs contact them. Not the other way around. If they had gone through myspace, randomly emailing men to see if they were interested, then that would be entrapment.

 

[Descartes]

I saw Trillian on one of their computers, and they said that they wait for the predators to contact them. I used to think that these decoys would join chat rooms and say, "Hot 13/f wanting to talk to a guy!" or something else equally ridiculous, but that appears not to be the case. These predators do indeed seek out these girls with their intentions being obvious.

 

[LookingGlass]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: LookingGlass

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
I'm certainly not on the side of the predators, but this type of "journalism" smacks of entrapment.

What about the entrapment the predators do to the kids?

Well, this isn't entrapment to begin with. What these people do (perverted justice i think it was called) is simply put up fake blogs and websites on myspace and such... and the pervs contact them. Not the other way around. If they had gone through myspace, randomly emailing men to see if they were interested, then that would be entrapment.

I hear ya, and I understand that. I was actually referring to the pedophiles that do entrap kids, seduce them, play all sorts of games with these vulnerable kids, that is a form of entrapment right there.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney
Man, it's a little disturbing watching this. I wouldn't even call these fvckers sick, just pathetic. Pathetic men who have such low self-esteem and confidence, that they can't handle women their own age, so they go for kids.

You obviously haven't a clue about pedophelia or the psychology of it. Pretty ignorant comment.

Um i do actually. That's the reason why these men go for these kids, it's because they can't handle the possible judgement from women their own age, so they try to go for those without experience.

Now tell me, what's your experience from? Academic or from actual expereince?

Academic. My ex wife is a psychologist. And you are dead wrong.

What does your ex-wife have to do with your knowledge on the subject?

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney
Man, it's a little disturbing watching this. I wouldn't even call these fvckers sick, just pathetic. Pathetic men who have such low self-esteem and confidence, that they can't handle women their own age, so they go for kids.

You obviously haven't a clue about pedophelia or the psychology of it. Pretty ignorant comment.

Um i do actually. That's the reason why these men go for these kids, it's because they can't handle the possible judgement from women their own age, so they try to go for those without experience.

Now tell me, what's your experience from? Academic or from actual expereince?

Academic. My ex wife is a psychologist. And you are dead wrong.

Care to explain?

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney
Man, it's a little disturbing watching this. I wouldn't even call these fvckers sick, just pathetic. Pathetic men who have such low self-esteem and confidence, that they can't handle women their own age, so they go for kids.

You obviously haven't a clue about pedophelia or the psychology of it. Pretty ignorant comment.

Um i do actually. That's the reason why these men go for these kids, it's because they can't handle the possible judgement from women their own age, so they try to go for those without experience.

Now tell me, what's your experience from? Academic or from actual expereince?

Academic. My ex wife is a psychologist. And you are dead wrong.

What does your ex-wife have to do with your knowledge on the subject?

I was thinking the same thing, and why is it that people always try to prove their positions by saying they know someone with expertise as though by extension so do they?

Blah.

 

[GTaudiophile]

What about the argument that pedophilia is like any other sexual orientation in that it's genetic (automatic/hard-wired)? Like my boss likes to say, "There was never one single moment in my life when I simply decided to be gay."

Worse still, how do you treat someone like this?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney
Man, it's a little disturbing watching this. I wouldn't even call these fvckers sick, just pathetic. Pathetic men who have such low self-esteem and confidence, that they can't handle women their own age, so they go for kids.

You obviously haven't a clue about pedophelia or the psychology of it. Pretty ignorant comment.

Um i do actually. That's the reason why these men go for these kids, it's because they can't handle the possible judgement from women their own age, so they try to go for those without experience.

Now tell me, what's your experience from? Academic or from actual expereince?

Academic. My ex wife is a psychologist. And you are dead wrong.

What does your ex-wife have to do with your knowledge on the subject?

We discussed this many times. Amongst other things.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
What about the argument that pedophilia is like any other sexual orientation in that it's genetic (automatic/hard-wired)? Like my boss likes to say, "There was never one single moment in my life when I simply decided to be gay."

Worse still, how do you treat someone like this?

Pedophelia isnt an orientation. It's a disease. And the majority of professionals agree it cant successfully be "cured".

 

[mattlear]

Damn, I was watching the link someone posted on youtube. Geezus H Chr1st!!!

Some of these clowns are teachers!!!

Some of the excuses they give are hysterical. These people are sick. I can't believe they got like 20 people for the 3 days they were in that house. Unfreakingreal.

-Matt

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney
Man, it's a little disturbing watching this. I wouldn't even call these fvckers sick, just pathetic. Pathetic men who have such low self-esteem and confidence, that they can't handle women their own age, so they go for kids.

You obviously haven't a clue about pedophelia or the psychology of it. Pretty ignorant comment.

Um i do actually. That's the reason why these men go for these kids, it's because they can't handle the possible judgement from women their own age, so they try to go for those without experience.

Now tell me, what's your experience from? Academic or from actual expereince?

Academic. My ex wife is a psychologist. And you are dead wrong.

What does your ex-wife have to do with your knowledge on the subject?

I was thinking the same thing, and why is it that people always try to prove their positions by saying they know someone with expertise as though by extension so do they?

Blah.

Well, she isnt just someone "I know". I was married to her for thirteen years, and we had many discussions about this. Seeing how she is a professional who has dealt with/deals with this issue, I definately think she has more clout than most clowns on a geeky tech board.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney
Man, it's a little disturbing watching this. I wouldn't even call these fvckers sick, just pathetic. Pathetic men who have such low self-esteem and confidence, that they can't handle women their own age, so they go for kids.

You obviously haven't a clue about pedophelia or the psychology of it. Pretty ignorant comment.

Um i do actually. That's the reason why these men go for these kids, it's because they can't handle the possible judgement from women their own age, so they try to go for those without experience.

Now tell me, what's your experience from? Academic or from actual expereince?

Academic. My ex wife is a psychologist. And you are dead wrong.

What does your ex-wife have to do with your knowledge on the subject?

I was thinking the same thing, and why is it that people always try to prove their positions by saying they know someone with expertise as though by extension so do they?

Blah.

Well, she isnt just someone "I know". I was married to her for thirteen years, and we had many discussions about this. Seeing how she is a professional who has dealt with/deals with this issue, I definately think she has more clout than most clowns on a geeky tech board.

Her knowledge doesn't necessarily equate to your knowledge.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney
Man, it's a little disturbing watching this. I wouldn't even call these fvckers sick, just pathetic. Pathetic men who have such low self-esteem and confidence, that they can't handle women their own age, so they go for kids.

You obviously haven't a clue about pedophelia or the psychology of it. Pretty ignorant comment.

Um i do actually. That's the reason why these men go for these kids, it's because they can't handle the possible judgement from women their own age, so they try to go for those without experience.

Now tell me, what's your experience from? Academic or from actual expereince?

Academic. My ex wife is a psychologist. And you are dead wrong.

What does your ex-wife have to do with your knowledge on the subject?

I was thinking the same thing, and why is it that people always try to prove their positions by saying they know someone with expertise as though by extension so do they?

Blah.

Well, she isnt just someone "I know". I was married to her for thirteen years, and we had many discussions about this. Seeing how she is a professional who has dealt with/deals with this issue, I definately think she has more clout than most clowns on a geeky tech board.

Her knowledge doesn't necessarily equate to your knowledge.

mmmmmkay

So share with us, oh wise one, the truth!

 

[cliftonite]

just saw the ep on youtube, those people are so fvcked up

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Looney
Man, it's a little disturbing watching this. I wouldn't even call these fvckers sick, just pathetic. Pathetic men who have such low self-esteem and confidence, that they can't handle women their own age, so they go for kids.

You obviously haven't a clue about pedophelia or the psychology of it. Pretty ignorant comment.

Um i do actually. That's the reason why these men go for these kids, it's because they can't handle the possible judgement from women their own age, so they try to go for those without experience.

Now tell me, what's your experience from? Academic or from actual expereince?

Academic. My ex wife is a psychologist. And you are dead wrong.

What does your ex-wife have to do with your knowledge on the subject?

I was thinking the same thing, and why is it that people always try to prove their positions by saying they know someone with expertise as though by extension so do they?

Blah.

Well, she isnt just someone "I know". I was married to her for thirteen years, and we had many discussions about this. Seeing how she is a professional who has dealt with/deals with this issue, I definately think she has more clout than most clowns on a geeky tech board.

Her knowledge doesn't necessarily equate to your knowledge.

mmmmmkay

So share with us, oh wise one, the truth!

Well my ex-wife wasn't a psychologist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night!

I never stated to be an expert in the field like you, just questioned your credibility.

 

[blackangst1]

[/quote]

Well my ex-wife wasn't a psychologist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night!

I never stated to be an expert in the field like you, just questioned your credibility.[/quote]


Well, dont take my word for it:

It is important to understand the differences between pedophiles and molesters. Pedophilia, which is a psychological disorder, is a distinct sexual preference for pre-pubescent children. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM 111-R), which is published by the American Psychological Association, supplies this definition of pedophilia: ?recurrent, intense, sexual urges and sexual arousing fantasies of at least six months duration involving sexual activity with a pre-pubescent child? (DSM, V.3, 1987). Generally, this means the target of the fantasy will typically be less than 12 years old. Notice the definition does not require the person to actually engage in a sexual act. Pedophilia is a psychological disorder that does not require, and usually does not involve, a criminal act. The pedophile might keep his desires a secret. He may never go public or share his fantasies with anyone. At times, they will even marry a single mother to gain or continue access to her children. Pedophiles can be very determined and single-minded in their efforts to stay close to children. Maintaining access to children at all costs is one of the defining trademarks of pedophilia, which will be discussed later. Child molesters, however, can have many different motivations for their crimes. And those motives, surprisingly, are often not of a sexual origin.

(http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/1.html)

These guys arent criminally classified as pedophiles, however, In the psychiatric world pedophilia is an attraction to PRE pubescent kids. These guys on TV, at least clinically, are defined as having Ephebophilia, or attraction to POST pubescent teens. It has been shown in clinical studies one does not equal the other. Typically a pedophile is not attracted to post pubescent, and vice-versa.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia)

So there you have it. Lock em all up I say. Thinking isnt a crime...but acting on it is.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Well my ex-wife wasn't a psychologist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night!

I never stated to be an expert in the field like you, just questioned your credibility.[/quote]


Well, dont take my word for it:

It is important to understand the differences between pedophiles and molesters. Pedophilia, which is a psychological disorder, is a distinct sexual preference for pre-pubescent children. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM 111-R), which is published by the American Psychological Association, supplies this definition of pedophilia: ?recurrent, intense, sexual urges and sexual arousing fantasies of at least six months duration involving sexual activity with a pre-pubescent child? (DSM, V.3, 1987). Generally, this means the target of the fantasy will typically be less than 12 years old. Notice the definition does not require the person to actually engage in a sexual act. Pedophilia is a psychological disorder that does not require, and usually does not involve, a criminal act. The pedophile might keep his desires a secret. He may never go public or share his fantasies with anyone. At times, they will even marry a single mother to gain or continue access to her children. Pedophiles can be very determined and single-minded in their efforts to stay close to children. Maintaining access to children at all costs is one of the defining trademarks of pedophilia, which will be discussed later. Child molesters, however, can have many different motivations for their crimes. And those motives, surprisingly, are often not of a sexual origin.

(http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/1.html)

These guys arent criminally classified as pedophiles, however, In the psychiatric world pedophilia is an attraction to PRE pubescent kids. These guys on TV, at least clinically, are defined as having Ephebophilia, or attraction to POST pubescent teens. It has been shown in clinical studies one does not equal the other. Typically a pedophile is not attracted to post pubescent, and vice-versa.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia)

So there you have it. Lock em all up I say. Thinking isnt a crime...but acting on it is.
[/quote]

Actually, given the definition you provided thinking could be a crime. I'm thinking specifically of a sex offender who was convicted of violating his parole for writing his fantasies in a journal.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Well my ex-wife wasn't a psychologist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night!

I never stated to be an expert in the field like you, just questioned your credibility.

Well, dont take my word for it:

It is important to understand the differences between pedophiles and molesters. Pedophilia, which is a psychological disorder, is a distinct sexual preference for pre-pubescent children. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM 111-R), which is published by the American Psychological Association, supplies this definition of pedophilia: ?recurrent, intense, sexual urges and sexual arousing fantasies of at least six months duration involving sexual activity with a pre-pubescent child? (DSM, V.3, 1987). Generally, this means the target of the fantasy will typically be less than 12 years old. Notice the definition does not require the person to actually engage in a sexual act. Pedophilia is a psychological disorder that does not require, and usually does not involve, a criminal act. The pedophile might keep his desires a secret. He may never go public or share his fantasies with anyone. At times, they will even marry a single mother to gain or continue access to her children. Pedophiles can be very determined and single-minded in their efforts to stay close to children. Maintaining access to children at all costs is one of the defining trademarks of pedophilia, which will be discussed later. Child molesters, however, can have many different motivations for their crimes. And those motives, surprisingly, are often not of a sexual origin.

(http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/1.html)

These guys arent criminally classified as pedophiles, however, In the psychiatric world pedophilia is an attraction to PRE pubescent kids. These guys on TV, at least clinically, are defined as having Ephebophilia, or attraction to POST pubescent teens. It has been shown in clinical studies one does not equal the other. Typically a pedophile is not attracted to post pubescent, and vice-versa.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia)

So there you have it. Lock em all up I say. Thinking isnt a crime...but acting on it is.
[/quote]

Actually, given the definition you provided thinking could be a crime. I'm thinking specifically of a sex offender who was convicted of violating his parole for writing his fantasies in a journal.[/quote]

I highly doubt that. Unless there was some provision in his parole. If this were true, every sex offender would be violating his/her parole when they go to their therapy.

And, as invasive as our gov't is getting, it is still legal to THINK anything you want.

 

[The Batt?sai]

lecter?

 

[NFS4]

New one on tonight

 

[waggy]

ohh forgot it was on tonight. heheh love this series.

 

[KLin]

WTF, some guy brings his 5 year old son with him. :roll: