daycare costs more than college in 31 states

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Elfear

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those are the only 2 reason? really?

Just about to post that.

My wife decided to stay home so that she could better raise our kids. I'm sure there are competent caregivers out there but no one has a kid's best interest at heart like the parents (ideally). We've sacrificed some stuff like big vacations, new cars, eating out all the time, etc. but it's been very worth it.
 

Wreckem

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Mimeographs.

When I graduated in the mid-90's, I never once had a school supply list to worry about other than what I personally needed for my classes (notebooks, pens, pencils). By the time I graduated, a school lunch was I think $1.25. Where my kids are now school lunches are pushing $3.00. I can easily get a "meal" off the value menu at Wendy's for $3.00.

And yes, I was exaggerating about the private school tuition comparison. Mostly.

Lunches generally track around inflation. $1.75 in the mid 1990s(which is what I was paying by time I go to jr high), is close to $2.79 adjusted for inflation. The price of school lunches also depends on how many free/reduced lunch kids their are. If the schools percentage of low income kids is low, the price of lunch will be higher.
 

tfinch2

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i'd say you should go write a book about it and make millions off of your outstanding bright idea that nobody in the history of mankind has ever thought about.

Your comment may be dripping with sarcasm, but you seem to think that being at day care will enable little Timmy to develop into a charismatic social butterfly. While this may be true in some cases, it also goes the other way. Sometimes it opens little Timmy up to a world that shows him how to be a mega turd. YMMV.

For the record, I am not against day care. My point is you should wait until you actually have kids before you start developing a plan about day care vs. no day care, and that it is possible to develop social skills outside of day care.
 

mrjminer

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Lunches generally track around inflation. $1.75 in the mid 1990s(which is what I was paying by time I go to jr high), is close to $2.79 adjusted for inflation. The price of school lunches also depends on how many free/reduced lunch kids their are. If the schools percentage of low income kids is low, the price of lunch will be higher.

Lunches were till only $1.30 (maybe it was $1.35) when I graduated high school in 2003 here. I think it was a steal for what we got; our district didn't bend us over on the price of a basic meal. If I had to guess I would say they broke about even, possibly even lost money on the regular meals, but they did have extras that could have made up for it (ie: $0.35 for a cookie, $0.75 for a pretty generously-packed bowl of fries, slice of pizza for $1.50, etc.).

As for daycare costing as much as college? Fuck that shit. I don't have kids, but I would find a workable alternative to these generally scammer prices.
 
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Mimeographs.

When I graduated in the mid-90's, I never once had a school supply list to worry about other than what I personally needed for my classes (notebooks, pens, pencils). By the time I graduated, a school lunch was I think $1.25. Where my kids are now school lunches are pushing $3.00. I can easily get a "meal" off the value menu at Wendy's for $3.00.

And yes, I was exaggerating about the private school tuition comparison. Mostly.

Sounds to me like the guy that buys an expensive car then complains about the cost of the maintenance.
 

SlowSpyder

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For 2013 my daycare bill for my seven year old, for mostly just after school care (some before school, too, but not a whole lot) and during the summer totaled $5199.
 

Broheim

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I suspect the quality over there may be decent, but the income taxes are even higher.

quality seems pretty good, but of course I don't really have any way to compare it.

how it generally works around my parts is that a licensed "daycarer" operates out of her private home (5 kids max, lots of rules and regulation regarding the facilities) which is super convenient for the parents as they'll usually be able to find a spot practically just down the road, not sure if this is how it works elsewhere. We also have larger daycare centers but those are usually only found in the city centers (I'm pretty sure you can't run a daycare out of an apartment). Honestly if you have kids and live in an apartment you're doing it wrong.

as for income tax, yeah it's pretty high here but your average danish household with two children have an effective income tax in the high 20's so it's not that outrageous.
 

rh71

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For the record, I am not against day care. My point is you should wait until you actually have kids before you start developing a plan about day care vs. no day care, and that it is possible to develop social skills outside of day care.

I don't think it'll make a difference now or when he has kids. Based on what he's seen and what I've seen, I agree daycare amongst other kids & adults ALL THE TIME is better for them socially. Our twins didn't do outside daycare and are only outgoing with each other and people they see all the time (like family). They don't even say hi to their friends' parents let alone other adults and can barely look at them without acting shy and they're almost 6. You can guess what I'll say about friends' kids who've been in daycare since 1. Completely unreserved. Anecdotal, but it seems to be repeated a lot.

I wouldn't suggest you toss your kids out to strangers otherwise, because spending time with them at home when they were 2-4 was the best. I truly wish I could do it again. But speaking only about social growth, it's a positive they are out at daycare.

For 2013 my daycare bill for my seven year old, for mostly just after school care (some before school, too, but not a whole lot) and during the summer totaled $5199.

That does sound like a lot just for after-school but ours would be similar at $6/hr for 3 hours a weeknight. Our daycare was one of the cheapest in the area because it's also a co-op (can participate as class helpers to alleviate the cost) and they still charged $828/mo. per child. That's 10 months of school year for $8280/yr and we had twins. $16.4k a year + $2600 summer camp (also one of the cheapest). I can only laugh because it was just 1 year we had to do the full-time preschool.
 
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Mai72

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Mai72

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Lunches were till only $1.30 (maybe it was $1.35) when I graduated high school in 2003 here. I think it was a steal for what we got; our district didn't bend us over on the price of a basic meal. If I had to guess I would say they broke about even, possibly even lost money on the regular meals, but they did have extras that could have made up for it (ie: $0.35 for a cookie, $0.75 for a pretty generously-packed bowl of fries, slice of pizza for $1.50, etc.).

As for daycare costing as much as college? Fuck that shit. I don't have kids, but I would find a workable alternative to these generally scammer prices.

It's called your wife's mother. Have her stay at your house when you and your wife are at work. Better yet, have her live with you guys. You'll have an in-house nanny.

That's if you get married. I suggest you stay single.
 

rsd

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Over $1600/mo for 1 child under 2 years old (that's 5 days a week ~8-10/hr a day) in Mass. Crazy expensive but like others said, even if it was an option to stay home with him, the social skills he learns really is amazing.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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In a way, rising daycare costs are a good thing. It sucks for single parents but, it's always sucked for single parents. What I'm getting at is maybe a return to having a stay at home parent will cure some of the emotional and social problems of kids today. A return to 'coffee ' networking as opposed to business networking builds communities, makes neighborhoods safer without HOAs and, reduces stress for everyone. Of course, a lot of people will have to learn old skills.
 

Wreckem

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In a way, rising daycare costs are a good thing. It sucks for single parents but, it's always sucked for single parents. What I'm getting at is maybe a return to having a stay at home parent will cure some of the emotional and social problems of kids today. A return to 'coffee ' networking as opposed to business networking builds communities, makes neighborhoods safer without HOAs and, reduces stress for everyone. Of course, a lot of people will have to learn old skills.

Poor parenting, not daycare, is to blame for most of the problems you mention. A good daycare does way more to enrich a kids mind and social skills than the average stay at home parent. More so if its a shitty parent. Societies problems is the rise of shitty parents. Sending your kid to daycare does not make you a shitty parent, just like having one parent stay at home does not make them good parents either.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Poor parenting, not daycare, is to blame for most of the problems you mention. A good daycare does way more to enrich a kids mind and social skills than the average stay at home parent. More so if its a shitty parent. Societies problems is the rise of shitty parents. Sending your kid to daycare does not make you a shitty parent, just like having one parent stay at home does not make them good parents either.

You are right and wrong. The reason a good daycare enriches kids is that they have the time and work at it. If a parent takes the time and works at it, they can do an even better job. With regards to society, having a neighborhood full of stay at home parents provides support and feedback on a daily basis and improves parenting IF they're willing to learn. My take is that peer pressure is a better motivator for parents than our current isolationism.
 

Wreckem

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You are right and wrong. The reason a good daycare enriches kids is that they have the time and work at it. If a parent takes the time and works at it, they can do an even better job. With regards to society, having a neighborhood full of stay at home parents provides support and feedback on a daily basis and improves parenting IF they're willing to learn. My take is that peer pressure is a better motivator for parents than our current isolationism.

I wouldnt even say the majority of stay at home parents(these days) take the time to do what you say. Frankly I've seen just as many maladjusted kids with a stay at home parent and its because they lack socialization with their own peers. You also tend to see more kids that stayed at home with a parent being deemed "too immature"(lacking discipline and social skills) for kindergarten and being held back a year(or two).

Daycare and staying at home both have pros and cons. Both can produce equally adjusted or maladjusted kids. It all depends on the parents.

I believe in ECE, so I believe in daycare. In my opinion a stay at home parent isn't going do as well as a good teacher with a teaching assistant at a good academic based day care.
 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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I wouldnt even say the majority of stay at home parents(these days) take the time to do what you say. Frankly I've seen just as many maladjusted kids with a stay at home parent and its because they lack socialization with their own peers. My nephew is a good example. When it comes to interacting with his peers he lacks all social skills. He can interact with adults/authority figures, but other children, not so much.

Daycare and staying at home both have pros and cons. Both can produce equally adjusted or maladjusted kids. It all depends on the parent.

The difference is that currently, parents receive little feedback except from the occasional teacher. I would also guess (I don't know the actual numbers) that there are more kids in daycare than with stay at home parents. If the majority of kids had a stay at home parent, we would not have our current isolationism and parents would get daily feedback. While there are many factors that play a part, I believe our society took a giant leap back when both parents working outside the home became the norm. We didn't suddenly become a nation of "lazy " or, "shitty " parents.
 

velillen

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I know when my brother and his wife had my niece they looked at day care and pretty much found that for the cost of daycare my sister-in-law was basically only going to bring home 100-200 bucks a month. So she quit and is a stay at home mom for now. Works out well for them as she takes my niece to play groups and other activities but has time to go grocery shopping and other errands while my brother is at work. In bigger cities it is pretty easy to find play groups and other young children to have your interact with. Plus my brother was lucky and quite a few of his friends had kids so they all get together to play as well.

But yeah daycare for them was going to be like 1200 a month for just my niece (in Seattle) vs girl i work with in a lower cost area got newborn and 2 year old for 650 a month in a smaller daycare.
 

Staples

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I learned the harsh reality when we had a child two years ago. Child care is ridiculous in the SF Bay Area. The low end is $1600 a month.
 

Staples

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Just saw an article the other day that said there has been a sharp rise in the number of families with a stay-at-home parent, for this exact reason.

I saw it on CBS News a few days ago. It said there was a rise in stay at home moms because there are fewer jobs to go around. 23% in 2000? and 29% today. Anyway, I am sure the cost is a big factor that they didn't mention.
 

Rage187

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We pay $600 a month for private school for my eldest. The youngest gets watched by my MIL. Littlest one will start school in 2 years and we will be even more broke.
 

jersiq

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quality seems pretty good, but of course I don't really have any way to compare it.

how it generally works around my parts is that a licensed "daycarer" operates out of her private home (5 kids max, lots of rules and regulation regarding the facilities) which is super convenient for the parents as they'll usually be able to find a spot practically just down the road, not sure if this is how it works elsewhere. We also have larger daycare centers but those are usually only found in the city centers (I'm pretty sure you can't run a daycare out of an apartment). Honestly if you have kids and live in an apartment you're doing it wrong.

as for income tax, yeah it's pretty high here but your average danish household with two children have an effective income tax in the high 20's so it's not that outrageous.

That's one of the oddest statements I've heard. Though off track, do you care to elaborate on that?
 
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