If you think the wait staff that got 'stiffed' didn't blast him after I left you are sadly mistaken based on their comments I heard while walking out. You may have handled it differently, I didn't. As for not looking the "attitude" of the boss, that is an extreme understatement. He blocked her movement in an attempt to stop her from leaving, he placed his hands on her and was yelling like a mad man, threatening to call the police. My first reaction was to throw him through the fucking window, but there were kids around so I thought I handled myself pretty well. You are free to disagree. If we get rid of tips this would never of happened, isn't that the point of this thread.
This is fun, when did I say I didn't act like an asshole? Assholes are always meet with a bigger asshole. But if your happy with me calling you a pussy while standing by and watching someone assault a woman then OK, we are in agreement. I wasn't really expecting you to admit to being one, a pleasant surprise.I'm glad that you have finally accepted the fact that you also behaved like an asshole, we have reached an agreement finally.
You keep coming back, I am not sure why. You made this point eairtler, not sure haw saying it differently changes anything. You don't agree with what I did, I don't care that you don't agree with what I did. No amount of you refrasing it will cause me to go back in time some 5 years and change anything. I relayed a horror story to you about tips and for some reason you seem to think I give a shit that you think I was an ass. Do you get points from your team for the number of posts?Look, we get it, the boss was an ass. But *you* punished his *staff* by denying them the tip. It really is that simple.
I really enjoy fine dining as well as high end bars. I tip very heavily (ATOT heads would probably explode) at such places if I really enjoy myself and I consider it part of paying for "the experience." I think there are a large percentage of people who have never been somewhere where the bartender, waiter, etc provided service beyond just bringing food and beverage. Therefore they appreciate the profession less as they've never actually experienced it done at a professional level.
That said, I do wish across the board expected tipping at all levels should DIAF.
In depth knowledge of the menu, taste combinations, wine or beer pairings. Good bartenders who actually have a deep knowledge of wine, beer, spirits and can make taste recommendations.O what service are they providing for you? something later in the night? Only reason to give a big tip is flirting imo.. people are not making min wage that work in these places. i have worked serving tables and made on average 23$ a hour (putting tips and wages together and averaging by how many hours worked)
I dont feel they deserve much of a tip most of the time. Sometimes i do go to fancy places but dont feel like Needing to tip huge just 10% seems fine unless they did something out of there way to please me.
A group of us went out to a hibachi style meal, my mother was footing the bill so I told her that I'd get the tip. So she covered the bill with a card at the counter while I, after leaving a 50 on the table ( I like to leave cash so they dont have to claim it if they dont want to), hit the head. I meet up with my mom at the front of the place and proceeded to leave when the manager\owner came up to her and basically accosted her on the sidewalk. He was yelling about how his people live off of tips and that if she didn't come back in and leave a tip he would call the cops, he was as rude as could be. I grabbed him by the collar and stopped his stupidness before it got any worse. I told him there was a $50 on the table for his staff and walked him over to the table hoping that it hadn't been cleared. I was glad to see it still there, I picked it up put it in my pocket and replaced it with a $5 bill, making sure the staff saw and heard why. My mother then called AMEx and refuted the charge on the way out. Had he not been an ass about it we would have just said that the tip was on the table and been done. So I'm of the mind that tips should be gotten rid of, but it will be impossible to pay servers enough hourly to cover what they will lose. I enjoy tipping good, and the staff that knows me give excellent service. My pizza guy loves us. he never leaves with less than $15 and there are only 4 minutes away with only 2 traffic lights between us.
In depth knowledge of the menu, taste combinations, wine or beer pairings. Good bartenders who actually have a deep knowledge of wine, beer, spirits and can make taste recommendations.
My guess is that you've probably never been to a place that had that level of service, or perhaps you're just not that into food/drink. Both are totally fine, but some people really enjoy wine, beer, spirit, and food tasting and want someone to serve them who actually knows something beyond the list of specials.
So it's assault now?, before it was impeding movement and initially it was that the manager was yelling....get your story straight...This is fun, when did I say I didn't act like an asshole? Assholes are always meet with a bigger asshole. But if your happy with me calling you a pussy while standing by and watching someone assault a woman then OK, we are in agreement. I wasn't really expecting you to admit to being one, a pleasant surprise.
That's certainly your prerogative. I also enjoy cooking, I like the experience that food and drink can be. They certainly don't have to be, though.You are correct. I dont indulge in alcohol nor do i go to bars. Must be some killer combinations of wine / beer. (tho no idea what your idea of a big tip is ) i think going out the eat is a waste of money unless on vacation and cant cook for myself.
One place I never tip is at a fastfood restaurant.
You keep coming back, I am not sure why. You made this point eairtler, not sure haw saying it differently changes anything. You don't agree with what I did, I don't care that you don't agree with what I did. No amount of you refrasing it will cause me to go back in time some 5 years and change anything. I relayed a horror story to you about tips and for some reason you seem to think I give a shit that you think I was an ass. Do you get points from your team for the number of posts?
sounds like you and your mommy committed a crime, you regularly go around grabbing people? (i see you adjusted your story to say the manager had placed hands on your mother when at first you stated he had just come out to yell at her).. charge back on a meal that you ate? You should feel proud! When in reality you could have just made a youtube video the guy would been fired / you could have made money from all the views subscribes!
if you need a definition of the word accost someone her can help you.basically accosted her on the sidewalk.
Are you not familiar with the word accost. I didn't mention he was wearing a blue fucking tie and had a thick mustache either.So it's assault now?, before it was impeding movement and initially it was that the manager was yelling....get your story straight...
I don't understand why you feel the need to point out the obvious. Its starting to get a bit freaky this obsession you have with me and this tidbit I offered to support the position that tips can sometimes be a really bad thing. I even almost said that I was for a serious increase in wages in attempt to make up for the loss of tips, but for some reason you have latched onto one portion and are fixated. You might want to take a walk or go to the pound and get a god or something, but this incessant need to make me out to be some boogie man is a bit unnerving.I don't have to 'think' that you were an ass regarding what you did. Your own words prove it. Thanks and have a great day.
Are you not familiar with the word accost. I didn't mention he was wearing a blue fucking tie and had a thick mustache either.
I don't understand why you feel the need to point out the obvious. Its starting to get a bit freaky this obsession you have with me and this tidbit I offered to support the position that tips can sometimes be a really bad thing. I even almost said that I was for a serious increase in wages in attempt to make up for the loss of tips, but for some reason you have latched onto one portion and are fixated. You might want to take a walk or go to the pound and get a god or something, but this incessant need to make me out to be some boogie man is a bit unnerving.
Edit: I didn't see you offer there, thank you! I had an absolutely wonderful day. I had an amazing banh mi from a little Vietnamese lady, was given a 80 year old bottle of whisky, and was awarded a really nice contract for a local police department. So I did in fact have a great day, thank you!
There's lots of bitches here, you did the right thing. I'd have done the same, the window would've been tempting though.Are you not familiar with the word accost. I didn't mention he was wearing a blue fucking tie and had a thick mustache either.
I don't understand why you feel the need to point out the obvious. Its starting to get a bit freaky this obsession you have with me and this tidbit I offered to support the position that tips can sometimes be a really bad thing. I even almost said that I was for a serious increase in wages in attempt to make up for the loss of tips, but for some reason you have latched onto one portion and are fixated. You might want to take a walk or go to the pound and get a god or something, but this incessant need to make me out to be some boogie man is a bit unnerving.
Edit: I didn't see you offer there, thank you! I had an absolutely wonderful day. I had an amazing banh mi from a little Vietnamese lady, was given a 80 year old bottle of whisky, and was awarded a really nice contract for a local police department. So I did in fact have a great day, thank you!
Are you not familiar with the word accost. I didn't mention he was wearing a blue fucking tie and had a thick mustache either.
I don't understand why you feel the need to point out the obvious. Its starting to get a bit freaky this obsession you have with me and this tidbit I offered to support the position that tips can sometimes be a really bad thing. I even almost said that I was for a serious increase in wages in attempt to make up for the loss of tips, but for some reason you have latched onto one portion and are fixated. You might want to take a walk or go to the pound and get a god or something, but this incessant need to make me out to be some boogie man is a bit unnerving.
Edit: I didn't see you offer there, thank you! I had an absolutely wonderful day. I had an amazing banh mi from a little Vietnamese lady, was given a 80 year old bottle of whisky, and was awarded a really nice contract for a local police department. So I did in fact have a great day, thank you!
You seem so entitled. No i have never "refuted" a charge. You used the word refuted which means false erroneous. You also said basically accosted.. (big difference since you gave no description of it other than yelling! ) most people embellishing use the word basically to make their story sound better.
Also how you describe your relation with your credit card company. Yea they dont even call the restaurant they just give the money back.. bla bla bla its all lies we can see your patern of lies and tall tales its ok your story was fine, you proved what kind of worth you have and your values and calm judgement.
Great come back to being scum! "you use prepaid credit cards!!!! " hahahaha sounds impossible if its prepaid its not credit. Anyway i use credit cards all the time but i have never had to dispute a charge due to service lacking. Good luck in life
The fucking point of the "story" was not to describe in such great fucking detail and describe every nuance of what had happened so that you yourself felt as though you have lived the experience. It was a fucking example of a bad tipping experience, and a reason for getting rid of tips. I will accept the blame for engaging you fucking morons in trying to defend what I did or did not do. So for that I am sorry, It will not happen again. Your lack of knowledge of credit and how it works leads me to believe you don't have any or are very young. Perhaps before you opine about something you look into it. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=prepaid+credit+cards Based on the fact that you dont know that prepaid credit cards exist, I'll be secure in my assumption you know very little about higher end cards. As for being entitled, not even a little, if you only knew.
Prepaid cards are among the fastest growing financial products on the market, growing from $1 billion in 2003 for general-purpose, reloadable prepaid cards to an expected $116 billion by 2020.
Yet, as popular as they are, there is a ton of misunderstanding about them.
For example, there is no such thing as a prepaid credit card. In fact, they are opposites.
Yes, I agree. But there are tons of places pushing Prepaid "credit" cards so as to make those that use them feel better about themselves. And there is a card that uses a bit from both debit and credit. You place $500 into an account and you have $750 worth of spending power. But look I didn't make up the word or vehicle and really it was just meant as an insult to the poster I was replying to. You guys really like to get into the weeds and completely muddy the water! Anybody care to get back to the point of tipping, good or bad?Prepaid credit cards do not exist because they are definitionally impossible.
https://www.creditcards.com/prepaid/#introsection
A credit card is something that loans you money when you use it. Prepaid cards can only be used up to their prepaid amount, meaning they can never be a loan. Prepaid cards are essentially debit cards that don’t need to be linked to a bank account. They look like credit cards, but they are not the same thing.
Secured... prepaid... a distinction without a difference in my mind, but yes I would agree that would be a better word to use.I think what you’re referring to is a secured credit card. Those do exist!
Regardless, tipping bad. It lets cheapskates pay less than the true cost of their purchase, makes tipped industry wages unstable, encourages tax evasion/wage theft, and is totally unnecessary to accomplish its stated goal of improving service.
Secured... prepaid... a distinction without a difference in my mind, but yes I would agree that would be a better word to use.
I'm not sure folks would be willing to pay 25% more on their bill for every meal if waitstaff were to be paid the same amount that they would earn in tips. My Step sister was waitstaff when she was much younger. She would bring home 2-300 every friday and saturday night for 5-6 hours of work. She busted her ass and everyone loved her. I doubt she could find a job waiting tables for 40-50$ an hour anywhere. Not sure how you make up for the lost revenue from the owners side lost to those that are not willing to pay the additional cost, or how to makeup the loss the wait staff will suiffer.
Secured... prepaid... a distinction without a difference in my mind, but yes I would agree that would be a better word to use.
I'm not sure folks would be willing to pay 25% more on their bill for every meal if waitstaff were to be paid the same amount that they would earn in tips. My Step sister was waitstaff when she was much younger. She would bring home 2-300 every friday and saturday night for 5-6 hours of work. She busted her ass and everyone loved her. I doubt she could find a job waiting tables for 40-50$ an hour anywhere. Not sure how you make up for the lost revenue from the owners side lost to those that are not willing to pay the additional cost, or how to makeup the loss the wait staff will suiffer.
I was talking about those who are unwilling to pay the extra $3 for the burger, opting to hit a fast food place where they can get one for $5. You and I may understand the difference in that burgers and why one burger wen up $3 and the other didn't, but others dont. And if the burger goes up 3 then everything else goes up too. So 3 for the burger, 1 for the fries, 1 for the beverage, .5 for the salad, 2 for the desert, now the bill is 7.50 more then before. On a table of 4 that's a $30 change, is it to much for a family who would normally tip 20% and cause then to not go out as often? If so then both the owner and wait staff lose out.Why would there be a reduction in revenue though? As said before if a burger was $15 ($18 after tip) before the burger is just $18 now, no tip. The extra $3 goes into wages. Revenue and expenditures stay the same. While I agree that few jobs are going to pay an hourly wage equal to what a sever can make on a Friday or Saturday night that wage will be a lot more than what you would make on, say, a Tuesday at 3PM. It all averages out.
When you visit other countries that don’t tip it’s not like they have trouble attracting waiters or have a crisis of bad service. It’s perfectly fine and in those cases they don’t have to worry about bosses stealing tips (a common occurrence) and all the other bad stuff.