I was talking about those who are unwilling to pay the extra $3 for the burger, opting to hit a fast food place where they can get one for $5. You and I may understand the difference in that burgers and why one burger wen up $3 and the other didn't, but others dont. And if the burger goes up 3 then everything else goes up too. So 3 for the burger, 1 for the fries, 1 for the beverage, .5 for the salad, 2 for the desert, now the bill is 7.50 more then before. On a table of 4 that's a $30 change, is it to much for a family who would normally tip 20% and cause then to not go out as often? If so then both the owner and wait staff lose out.
The AVERAGE person pays 120 dollars for dinner?
REALLY????
If everyone tipped at the rate of increased pricing then yes, the average person would pay nothing more. But what is the average tip? 10, 15, 20%? The math does not work out for the staff, only the owner. He only has to pay X per hour, the staff still has to do the same amount of work, or more for much less money. I need to spend some time looking at this. I can't see how the staff is going to get a better deal, I have to be missing something.But the price in all things would remain exactly the same except for cases where people weren’t tipping. I suspect most wait staff and even most restaurant owners would say they don’t want those customers anyway.
The average person would pay $0 more.
Right but if the same waiter served 5 of those tables in an hour, before he would take home $100 in tips plus his wage. If he is paid hourly, he takes home $15.00 or whatever the living wage number is at now. I dont see how the waitstaff gains anything. In this instance the owner nets an extra 100 per waitstaff per hour. 6 hour dinner 8 waitstaff $4,800 in additional revenue for the owner, 600 less for each of the staff. This match does not work. I have to be missing something. $120 per person dinner might be a bit much, but a family of 4 $120 is low to midrange.But the price in all things would remain exactly the same except for cases where people weren’t tipping. I suspect most wait staff and even most restaurant owners would say they don’t want those customers anyway. Why would it matter if someone was paying $120 for dinner ($100 cost + $20 tip) vs. $120 for dinner. ($120 cost + $0 tip)?
The average person would pay $0 more.
Right but if the same waiter served 5 of those tables in an hour, before he would take home $100 in tips plus his wage. If he is paid hourly, he takes home $15.00 or whatever the living wage number is at now. I dont see how the waitstaff gains anything. In this instance the owner nets an extra 100 per waitstaff per hour. 6 hour dinner 8 waitstaff $4,800 in additional revenue for the owner, 600 less for each of the staff. This match does not work. I have to be missing something. $120 per person dinner might be a bit much, but a family of 4 $120 is low to midrange.
Everyone loves to ignore professional waiters because few can imagine why anyone would want the job. The same is true for anyone in the service industry. Giving service is an honorable job that is looked down on by most Americans. Most look at it as something the poor or, unskilled are "forced to do" because they don't have a decent education in the "right" STEM field. That's bullshit. Many of us have careers in the service industry because, that's where our talent lays. Pay is lousy but, front of the house folks can make decent money in tips. The anti tipping idiots can diaf.
In my example above what favor is being done to the waiter who loses 600, ok a more realistic example 300, in a night on Fri and Sat but pays them just about what they would make anyway sun-thu? How does this help?It does do the servers several large favors though,
In my example above what favor is being done to the waiter who loses 600, ok a more realistic example 300, in a night on Fri and Sat but pays them just about what they would make anyway sun-thu? How does this help?
I'm talking about the server. I agree, that while not exactly the same the cost for the diner will not go up unless thy never tipped. For some it will go down, because we tip 30%. Its the servers that will take the hit.Your example doesn't make sense though. Remember, the amount made by servers and the amount paid by customers stays EXACTLY THE SAME in my example. Like, 100% the same.
Tipping is stupid and all the pro-tippers can diaf, pay a respectable wage and stop groveling towards customers for a tip when wages should be the employers expense. I know that the USA is bizzaro world compared to the rest of the world in this concept but hopefully it can catch on eventually.
I'm talking about the server. I agree, that while not exactly the same the cost for the diner will not go up unless thy never tipped. For some it will go down, because we tip 30%. Its the servers that will take the hit.
It was an example to make the math easy, haha.
Now that you mention it though I would say in NYC dinner with two drinks could easily run $50 a person before tip at a decent restaurant. That’s not exactly representative though.
At what point do we do away with tipping? $20 an hour, 25, or 30? It isn't a simple thing to decide. Here most make between $25-$30 an hour after tips, so it should be between that.
At what point do we do away with tipping? $20 an hour, 25, or 30? It isn't a simple thing to decide. Here most make between $25-$30 an hour after tips, so it should be between that.
What is the point of complaining about tipping? If you don't like tipping, then don't tip. It really is that simple.
And wow SNC such a hot head, he cant even keep his cool at any point in his life. Hilarious, prepaid credit cards hehehe.. (and guess what i have never used a prepaid credit card i thought they are for terrorists and drug dealers) I have 3 cards that i use often. seems foolish to use bank card places and have your $$$ tied up with fraud possibilities.
Your obsession with me is starting to border on stalking. Everyone here knows I'm an ass, you more then some apparently, you dont have to remind everyone. But really know you of one instance that I offered and did very little to defend, yet you seem to think that there is no point in my life I can keep my cool. You know nothing of the rest of my 49 years.
wow flatter ur self and insult the rest of us! if you dont want me to reply to you why do you keep quoting me and making up things. My point is look how you are acting just talking about the incident, it seems to get you enraged and cant keep your composure. I realize im not allowed to have a opinion. What would i have done. mention the tips on the table to the cashier to start off. actually hand the money to the server for two (cleaning staff takes and doesn't share sometimes, other customers) also maybe some eye contact with the waiter/waitress and a personal thank you. I mean left 50 bux service could have been ok right?
Yea you said it so im sure you are 100% justified in every emotion and action you took right. im not allowed to point out this could be a reason to not give tips all together. Two idiots fighting about something that should have been a non-issue. Maybe there was a diff reason the manager came out, you smashed lots of food under your table, ate the entire buffet tables food? no idea but sounds like everyone including your mum is in the wrong.. Oh except the waiter that was punished they where not in the wrong or you would not have left the 50.. wow such long msgs about total bs.. prob was a made up story anyway and we argue about it so much. at least i got alot of laughs. thanks.
The fucking point of the "story" was not to describe in such great fucking detail and describe every nuance of what had happened so that you yourself felt as though you have lived the experience. It was a fucking example of a bad tipping experience, and a reason for getting rid of tips. I will accept the blame for engaging you fucking morons in trying to defend what I did or did not do. So for that I am sorry, It will not happen again. Your lack of knowledge of credit and how it works leads me to believe you don't have any or are very young. Perhaps before you opine about something you look into it. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=prepaid+credit+cards Based on the fact that you dont know that prepaid credit cards exist, I'll be secure in my assumption you know very little about higher end cards. As for being entitled, not even a little, if you only knew.