DC legalizing marijuana in defiance of Congress, GOP Reps threaten

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pcgeek11

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Chaffetz merely panders to his perceived voting base. As the article points out, Congress has 30 days to reject DC voter initiatives before they automatically become law. Spending provisions aside, Congress has not done that. To do so would be openly anti-democratic and anti- states rights. It'd leave the party of freedom, liberty & personal responsibility in a serious words vs deeds quandry.

So they try to get what they want by sidestepping that w/ spending restrictions, as if not busting people costs money. The proposition is absurd. The naked hypocrisy remains for those who care to see it.

From there, it moves on to empty threats against DC officials doing their jobs pro forma, by the book. It's shameless & lawless bullying in pursuit of an authoritarian agenda Repubs want to keep hidden.

Anybody who can't see through it needs to have their head examined.

Washington DC is not a state.
 

Matt1970

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No, he really couldn't. It's federal law. http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/policy-priorities-2015-updated.pdf#page=71

Edit: As I read more on this, I could be wrong. In which case it's an area where Obama is genuinely being a shit. Still, Congress could also solve this easily. I really hope this becomes less of a partisan issue in the near future, because there are good arguments from the right and left to decriminalize it. The only reason to keep it so scheduled is 1) money (prison industry), 2) money (police), and 3) leftover racist fear of black people and drugs associated with them.

It looks like Obama would have to force the DEA to do it against its wishes, though, which would be an ugly fight.

It's not the job of the DEA. Congress already washed their hands of it in 1970 and passed it on to the Attorney General.

The 1970 Controlled Substances Act, which created five tiers of restricted drugs, says the attorney general may "remove any drug or other substance from the schedules if he finds that the drug or other substance does not meet the requirements for inclusion in any schedule."

The majority of the country seems to support it. Have Obama grow a pair and call the guy he appointed to reschedule it.
 

nickqt

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It's not the job of the DEA. Congress already washed their hands of it in 1970 and passed it on to the Attorney General.

The 1970 Controlled Substances Act, which created five tiers of restricted drugs, says the attorney general may "remove any drug or other substance from the schedules if he finds that the drug or other substance does not meet the requirements for inclusion in any schedule."

The majority of the country seems to support it. Have Obama grow a pair and call the guy he appointed to reschedule it.
Obama signs executive order on even days: Tyranny.

Obama doesn't sign executive order on odd days: Where's the Leadership™?
 

Fern

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Obama signs executive order on even days: Tyranny.

Obama doesn't sign executive order on odd days: Where's the Leadership™?

Your comparison is laughably stupid.

As he pointed out Congress has by law delegated it to the AG.

To compare inaction on this matter to the usurpation of powers neither granted or conferred makes zero sense.

Fern
 

nickqt

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Your comparison is laughably stupid.

As he pointed out Congress has by law delegated it to the AG.

To compare inaction on this matter to the usurpation of powers neither granted or conferred makes zero sense.

Fern
Every president has signed executive orders.

Executive orders aren't inherently illegal or a usurpation of power.
 

Fern

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Every president has signed executive orders.

Executive orders aren't inherently illegal or a usurpation of power.

Classic straw man; you're on a roll.

(As I have posted here numerous times, nothing wrong with exec orders themselves. EO's are how the President confers orders or instructions to the various parts of the govt he's in charge of. The number of EO's don't matter either. What does matter is what the President attempts to do with the EO.)

Fern
 

Jhhnn

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It's not the job of the DEA. Congress already washed their hands of it in 1970 and passed it on to the Attorney General.

The 1970 Controlled Substances Act, which created five tiers of restricted drugs, says the attorney general may "remove any drug or other substance from the schedules if he finds that the drug or other substance does not meet the requirements for inclusion in any schedule."

The majority of the country seems to support it. Have Obama grow a pair and call the guy he appointed to reschedule it.

It's not that easy. There's a whole thicket of bureaucratic red tape in hostile agencies that must be overcome-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remova...le_I_of_the_Controlled_Substances_Act#Process

Otherwise, you'd be raving about King Obama instead. Go ahead- say it ain't so.

Congress is under no such constraints. They can send Obama a bill to reschedule cannabis at will, so maybe they're the ones who need to grow a pair.
 
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shira

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Legalization only benefits those who smoke it, so they're the only ones who are in favor of it.
You don't think reducing the prison and jail population by one million (at $20,000 per prisoner, that's $20 billion in savings a year) isn't a benefit for society? You don't think allowing drug users to continue working instead of taking them out of circulation isn't good for the economy and the drug users' families? You don't think unclogging the criminal justice system by hundreds of thousands of drug cases each year isn't a benefit to society? You don't think allowing law enforcement to focus much more of its resources on non-drug crimes isn't a benefit to society. You don't think eliminating drug-related corruption of law enforcement and civil forfeiture laws is a benefit to society? You don't think essentially eliminating the black-market for drugs, with its concomitant turf wars and murders, isn't a benefit to society. You don't think eliminating most deaths, drug-use-related diseases, and related health care costs caused by the black market in drugs isn't a benefit to society. You don't think that the huge tax income of state and federal governments isn't a benefit to society? You don't think hugely reducing crimes committed by addicts so that they can pay for their habits is a benefit to society?

I probably could think of several other societal benefits, but if you don't get the idea already, you're truly hopeless.
 

Matt1970

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It's not that easy. There's a whole thicket of bureaucratic red tape in hostile agencies that must be overcome-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remova...le_I_of_the_Controlled_Substances_Act#Process

Otherwise, you'd be raving about King Obama instead. Go ahead- say it ain't so.

Congress is under no such constraints. They can send Obama a bill to reschedule cannabis at will, so maybe they're the ones who need to grow a pair.

I see, you confused government dragging it's feet decades ago on a reschedule petition as red tape.
 
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Jhhnn

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Is that supposed to be some sort of win for you?

It's the same nonsense trotted out wrt Dixiecrats & civil rights- a simple form of denial that ignores the massive political realignments that have occurred in the meanwhile.
 

Jhhnn

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I see, you confused government dragging it's feet decades ago on a reschedule petition as red tape.

I see your reading comprehension has not improved. Your ideological filters clearly prevent that.

It's only natural that authoritarian control freaks would resent the way that the Obama admin is handling legalization. They can't use the admin as a target, can't exploit all the Obama hate they've cultivated. They have to deal directly with the will of the people who've grown weary of the war on marijuana. They're boxed in by their own states rights rhetoric. Successful state level legalization destroys their fear mongering platform & will ultimately force congress to act. No further action from the admin is required for that to continue unfolding as intended.

Cannabis advocates have a winning strategy & a willing silent partner in the Obama admin. There's no reason to change at this point, not until further state level legalization occurs & more data about legalization is compiled. Hence the concern trolling from the authoritarian corner attempting to change the rules, introduce variables that might favor them, even if it just means they get to blame Obama.

Y'all be fucked, cowboy. Adroitly outmaneuvered, forced to deal in facts rather than fear. Universal cannabis prohibition is a dead man walking.
 

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/house-republicans-warn-dc-mayor-not-to-legalize-pot/2015/02/25/2f784a10-bcb0-11e4-bdfa-b8e8f594e6ee_story.html

And the social conservatives strike yet again...on an issue that is routinely being approved almost everywhere it's going on the ballot. I mean even Alaska has it now.

Legalizing marijuana is a bad idea.Use of marijuana, especially at a young age, increases the likelihood of developing serious mental illness.
 

berzerker60

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Legalizing marijuana is a bad idea.Use of marijuana, especially at a young age, increases the likelihood of developing serious mental illness.

Young children also shouldn't smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, drive cars, join the military, use heavy machinery, sign contracts, or have sex. We should make all of those things illegal! Then we can just declare the entirely of America to be one big jail.
 

K1052

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Legalizing marijuana is a bad idea.Use of marijuana, especially at a young age, increases the likelihood of developing serious mental illness.

What former member are you? Your trolling seems familiar.
 
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