Yes we depend on it. we depend on it to get out of bed. to get to work. to play with the kids. to have a half way normal life.
frankly your experience is fucking insane and makes me think you have never really dealt with a person with chronic pain.
Hydrocodone has to be formulated with an nsaid or other combination (cough syrup) in the US, and it is a comparatively weak opioid by comparison to most others. You would not OD from the hydrocodone before you died of liver failure from the apap in all the tablets you have to eat. From my experience the people that complain about the difficulty of obtaining (legally) scheduled drugs are the ones in denial about dependence. A lot of people have chronic medications that improve their quality of life but how many people on anxiety/depression medication can tell you how long until they need a refill?
No medical purpose, I believe.
No medical purpose, I believe.
Had a close family member addicted to pain meds for, probably 2 decades. You know people who started with back surgeries in the late 80s/90s and started this wave of addicts? She was one of those.
I was getting scripts filled for 90 days of dilaudid (hydromorphone), I believe the highest dose (4mg?) on a regular basis. Insurance company wanted 90 day scripts for cost savings since it was basically a permanent pain script. Getting these scripts filled was a nightmare, what someone said about x pills split over y stores is right. They would have to put in a special order, or, if I got there the day it was delivered I could get it filled easily. I basically took their whole supply...
Obviously the docs were crooks, as time went on she had to "shop" around for a doc willing to write the script. It wasn't impossible, but got harder over time.
Eventually I "forced" her to detox and get clean.
Anyways, there's tons of people out there getting legal scripts but are basically just junkies. There are docs willing to allow this, this change won't stop people from getting their drugs. At best, it'll force them to go to the illegal markets.
Had a close family member addicted to pain meds for, probably 2 decades. You know people who started with back surgeries in the late 80s/90s and started this wave of addicts? She was one of those.
I was getting scripts filled for 90 days of dilaudid (hydromorphone), I believe the highest dose (4mg?) on a regular basis. Insurance company wanted 90 day scripts for cost savings since it was basically a permanent pain script. Getting these scripts filled was a nightmare, what someone said about x pills split over y stores is right. They would have to put in a special order, or, if I got there the day it was delivered I could get it filled easily. I basically took their whole supply...
Obviously the docs were crooks, as time went on she had to "shop" around for a doc willing to write the script. It wasn't impossible, but got harder over time.
Eventually I "forced" her to detox and get clean.
Anyways, there's tons of people out there getting legal scripts but are basically just junkies. There are docs willing to allow this, this change won't stop people from getting their drugs. At best, it'll force them to go to the illegal markets.
Hydrocodone has to be formulated with an nsaid or other combination (cough syrup) in the US, and it is a comparatively weak opioid by comparison to most others. You would not OD from the hydrocodone before you died of liver failure from the apap in all the tablets you have to eat. From my experience the people that complain about the difficulty of obtaining (legally) scheduled drugs are the ones in denial about dependence. A lot of people have chronic medications that improve their quality of life but how many people on anxiety/depression medication can tell you how long until they need a refill?
4mg tablets can't exist, as I've seen 8mg tablets. Don't inquiry as to how I know this. =)Had a close family member addicted to pain meds for, probably 2 decades. You know people who started with back surgeries in the late 80s/90s and started this wave of addicts? She was one of those.
I was getting scripts filled for 90 days of dilaudid (hydromorphone), I believe the highest dose (4mg?) on a regular basis. Insurance company wanted 90 day scripts for cost savings since it was basically a permanent pain script. Getting these scripts filled was a nightmare, what someone said about x pills split over y stores is right. They would have to put in a special order, or, if I got there the day it was delivered I could get it filled easily. I basically took their whole supply...
Obviously the docs were crooks, as time went on she had to "shop" around for a doc willing to write the script. It wasn't impossible, but got harder over time.
Eventually I "forced" her to detox and get clean.
Anyways, there's tons of people out there getting legal scripts but are basically just junkies. There are docs willing to allow this, this change won't stop people from getting their drugs. At best, it'll force them to go to the illegal markets.
Wtf are you talking about? You can easily OD on hydrocodone. Same as you can OD on Codeine.
4mg tablets can't exist, as I've seen 8mg tablets. Don't inquiry as to how I know this. =)
But, this story is one of the problems. Someone with a legitimate needs becomes dependent on the drug.
what he is talking about are the hydrodone/apap. he is right in that you won't OD on the pill instead you will fuck your liver up badly and end up in the hospital.
now you can do stuff to get it pure and od on that.
maybe you were so fucked up you couldn't remember? there are 2 and 4mg of dilaudid.
http://www.drugs.com/imprints/p-4-15597.html
what he is talking about are the hydrodone/apap. he is right in that you won't OD on the pill instead you will fuck your liver up badly and end up in the hospital.
now you can do stuff to get it pure and od on that.
maybe you were so fucked up you couldn't remember? there are 2 and 4mg of dilaudid.
http://www.drugs.com/imprints/p-4-15597.html
Without a doubt.I'm pretty sure that if one took a handful of pills it would be the hydrocodone that would kill me before my liver died.
It is. I had a surgeon tell me she was on enough to seriously dope everyone in the room (5 of us). She, however was functioning, for the most part, normally. The real issue is the dependance coupled with the increasing tolerance. It wasn't the pain that was so hard to deal with, it was the high tolerance to everything known to man.dilaudid is some real shit man, you gotta be in real serious pain to get up there.
Which is exactly why XX states have medical marijuana programs.
wait, what?
Just sayin, I think that's the listed reason.
Hydrocodone has to be formulated with an nsaid or other combination (cough syrup) in the US, and it is a comparatively weak opioid by comparison to most others. You would not OD from the hydrocodone before you died of liver failure from the apap in all the tablets you have to eat. From my experience the people that complain about the difficulty of obtaining (legally) scheduled drugs are the ones in denial about dependence. A lot of people have chronic medications that improve their quality of life but how many people on anxiety/depression medication can tell you how long until they need a refill?
Had a discussion about this with my wife. She's a pharmacist and involved with a bunch of case studies and discussion groups on these types of things. A few years back there was a major push in Heroin overdoses. They went back and started looking at the data and they all started spiking when Oxycodone was reformulated for "sustained release". The reformulation was really there so that it couldn't be crushed up and snorted or cooked down for IV use.
They are bracing for another wave of Heroin OD's after this legislature goes through.
I would do it if i had it.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/25/health/medical-marijuana-overdose-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
(CNN) -- States that have legalized marijuana for managing chronic pain have significantly fewer deaths from prescription painkiller overdoses each year, according to a new study published Monday in JAMA Internal Medicine.
Researchers looked at medical marijuana laws and death certificate data in all 50 states between 1999 and 2010. During that time, just 13 states had medical marijuana laws in place.
"We found there was about a 25% lower rate of prescription painkiller overdose deaths on average after implementation of a medical marijuana law," lead study author Dr. Marcus Bachhuber said.
they figure with MJ OD of opiets will plummet. To bad the fucking nation is dragging its feet legalizing the shit.
I would do it if i had it.