DEA moves Vicodin to a schedule 2 drug.

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mcurphy

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No refills on Sched 2. That's the big reason. You need a new RX each time.


It becomes more of something that you physically need to have a written script and something the Dr. can't just call in. Nor can you just be giving a temporary window after running out.

My one script the pharmacy will give me some if my prescription expires and the Dr. forgets to call it in or calls it in to the wrong pharmacy.

With Scheduled drugs, they just can't do that and you must go back to the Dr. for another written script as well.

It becomes difficult for the patient especially if they are on these kinds of meds they shouldn't be driving.


Ah, thanks for clarifying. I have had two back surgeries and have taken Vicodin off and on for years when the pain gets extreme. I haven't had a RX since April, so it looks like I can still get one if needed, but will just need to stop in and see my Doc first.
 

lupi

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And since he asked difference between levels of a schedule drug, that entire description while accurate makes absolutely no sense to the question asked.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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I had seen discussion some of the people fighting this had been having. I don't really want to go into all the details, but it's pretty rage worthy how this was pushed through.

I'm in constant severe pain and just getting tramadol from my doctors was like pulling teeth because I'm young and they think it's better that I'm bed ridden than take anything harder. These laws/regulations are only going to make the lives of suffering people even harder.
 

SunnyD

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Must mean that the pharm companies have a more expensive money making drug they want to push instead :thumbsup:

No. It means the pharm companies can charge more for the same shit because of the more restricted script requirement. :thumbsup:

Guess my bottle of hydrocodone sitting in my medicine cabinet I never used from my surgery sometime last year just got a little more valuable.
 

mcurphy

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A new RX means a doctor appointment each month. now you pay for a doctor visit that takes 2 minutes just to get a RX.

It's going to cost more just to get the damn thing.

Only people this change hurts are those that are doing it legally.

Do you have to see your Dr. once a month for a visit...or can he just write the Rx and you can then just stop in to pick it up? Is it up to the Dr. discretion?

I won't know until I see my Dr., but I have been with him for over 15 years now, and he is well aware of my history. I wouldn't think he would charge me for an office visit if I just want to stop in to pick up a prescription.

Of course I won't know for sure until that time comes, but it would surprise me to get charged for a visit. In the past, he has had me stop in for BP checks for no fee, and he has always called or faxed in prescriptions when I've asked for refills. Which I realize now is not an option, but I don't think he would want me to sit for an actual visit with fee if I just want a Rx.
 

waggy

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also something not mentioned is the FDA are going after Pharmacy's and doctors now. So they are hesitant to stock or give out schedule II drugs. From what i hear Walgreens will not stock or fill schedule II.

I think in the next year we will see more "raids" on doctors offices and pharmacy's.
 
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waggy

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Do you have to see your Dr. once a month for a visit...or can he just write the Rx and you can then just stop in to pick it up? Is it up to the Dr. discretion?

I won't know until I see my Dr., but I have been with him for over 15 years now, and he is well aware of my history. I wouldn't think he would charge me for an office visit if I just want to stop in to pick up a prescription.

Of course I won't know for sure until that time comes, but it would surprise me to get charged for a visit. In the past, he has had me stop in for BP checks for no fee, and he has always called or faxed in prescriptions when I've asked for refills. Which I realize now is not an option, but I don't think he would want me to sit for an actual visit with fee if I just want a Rx.


You have to have a full appointment with the doctor no you can't just pick it up. Also many pain clinics will have you sign document saying you won't get refills anywhere but 1 place.
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ou have to have a visit with the drug counselor on a random bases. usually every 2-3 months. on top of all that you get random drug screening too!
 

mcurphy

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You have to have a full appointment with the doctor no you can't just pick it up. Also many pain clinics will have you sign document saying you won't get refills anywhere but 1 place.
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ou have to have a visit with the drug counselor on a random bases. usually every 2-3 months. on top of all that you get random drug screening too!

Wow! Interesting, thanks for the info.
 

Gooberlx2

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A new RX means a doctor appointment each month. now you pay for a doctor visit that takes 2 minutes just to get a RX.

Docs can send a paper Rx to you in the mail, but that does no good if you're dealing with a problem now. In which case you can call ahead and many doc's will let you pickup the Rx without an appt...but you better hope your problems are happening during business hours then. Of course, this all assume a good relationship and established history with your doc.
 

tcsenter

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Also, with Schedule II classification comes a quota scheme imposed on some of the raw or precursor chemicals to manufacture the drug.

I have narcolepsy so I get S-II stimulants such as amphetamine and ritalin. A few years back, everyone noticed the prices going up precipitously, their usual pharmacies running out, having back orders, and heavy allocation. So a normally $60 supply of generic amphetamine or ritalin went up to $240. And after a while, people just couldn't get it because it was out of stock. Of course, many pharmacies seemed to have the branded stuff in that was normally $130 and went up to $400, but in some areas, even the branded product was hard to find.

The manufacturers blamed it on the FDA/DEA quota on S-II drugs (or the precursor materials to manufacture). The FDA/DEA blamed it on manufacturers for using the precursor materials only for its most profitable products.
 

DaTT

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Huh. I wonder if the laws are more relaxed up here. Oxycodone and hydrocodone are in the same schedule but I phone in renewals for Oxycodone. When I asked him if he could just put a refill on it he said it's frowned upon, but not impossible, so I opt to just call in the renewal when needed.
 

waggy

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Docs can send a paper Rx to you in the mail, but that does no good if you're dealing with a problem now. In which case you can call ahead and many doc's will let you pickup the Rx without an appt...but you better hope your problems are happening during business hours then. Of course, this all assume a good relationship and established history with your doc.

whaa? what doctor is this.

The pain clinics around here will NOT send you a paper RX in the mail or let you pick up a RX without a appt.

maybe its where you live allow it but i haven't found any in Northern IL that will.


edit: this is not Pain specilist doctor is it? my GP would give me scripts for anything i asked for. he never questioned it.

it was great until my insurance wanted me to go to a Pain clinic. Then it all changed. they wont do such stuff. since they can give you anything they have rules

With it going to schedule II nobody will be able to get a script that easy again. i am worried about getting what i need now and if the pharmacy will even carry it.

though with it going schedule II i hope now that my doctor will prescribe other schedule II he has been reluctant about since they were schedule II
 
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edro

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Wait, weed is Schedule 1, meaning more dangerous, addictive and no medical purposes?

lol
 

Gooberlx2

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whaa? what doctor is this.

The pain clinics around here will NOT send you a paper RX in the mail or let you pick up a RX without a appt.

maybe its where you live allow it but i haven't found any in Northern IL that will.

Yeah, pain clinics are a different ball of wax. We dealt with one briefly, until they insisted on extending their control of my wife's medications beyond her pain management. My wife has a very long history with her docs (back, neuro, rheumatologist, kidneys), some of whom will work with her.
 
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alkemyst

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Yeah, pain clinics are a different ball of wax. We dealt with one briefly, until they insisted on extending their control of my wife's medications beyond her pain management. My wife has a very long history with her docs (back, neuro, rheumatologist, kidneys), some of whom will work with her.

A doctor cannot mail a script for a scheduled drug like this. You must see them in person and they must give you the script.

Now whether this truly happens every time is up for debate.
 

waggy

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Yeah, pain clinics are a different ball of wax. We dealt with one briefly, until they insisted on extending their control of my wife's medications beyond her pain management. My wife has a very long history with her docs (back, neuro, rheumatologist, kidneys), some of whom will work with her.

I hate my pain clinic doctor. well i like him as a man but i hate him as my doctor. he has reduced the pain meds i can take I used to have a hydrocodone/apap 10-325 filled whenever i needed it now he will only give 5/325 but still get it filled whenever i want.

There are days where that does NOTHING and i have a hard time even moving. he refuses to give me anything stronger. his excuse is he worries about my quality of life when i'm 80. ugh. what about now?

i tried talking with him and he brushes off what i have to say. sadly he is the only pain clinic in area i go to.
 

waggy

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Wait, weed is Schedule 1, meaning more dangerous, addictive and no medical purposes?

lol

weed is schedule I for political reasons. Many in the Government are trying to get it moved to at least schedule II. Though it should be schedule III or IV
 

DaTT

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I hate my pain clinic doctor. well i like him as a man but i hate him as my doctor. he has reduced the pain meds i can take I used to have a hydrocodone/apap 10-325 filled whenever i needed it now he will only give 5/325 but still get it filled whenever i want.

There are days where that does NOTHING and i have a hard time even moving. he refuses to give me anything stronger. his excuse is he worries about my quality of life when i'm 80. ugh. what about now?

i tried talking with him and he brushes off what i have to say. sadly he is the only pain clinic in area i go to.

Can't you go back to your GP and explain the situation? Maybe he will talk with your pain doctor.

Up here, where we pay our GP's salary, I am a firm believer that I should never have to be in pain. I have gone back to him in the past stating that the pain meds he gave me aren't strong enough, so he goes up a notch until we get it right. Now I just phone in renewals when needed.
 

Brovane

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My wife has been on pain management the last several years for her back problems. It has greatly helped her pain level but she knows it will be never be zero.

She has to go to the Pain Management Clinic once a month and get refills. It is just kind of the price of getting her pain managed. One time since the Dr she regulary sees was going to be on vacation during her regular time to come in she gave her scripts for this month and another set for a month out.

We live in CA and I know that each state has different regulations and some states are really difficult about Schedule II drugs.

It can also create issues during vacation. About 3-weeks ago my wife was coming with me on a business trip for a week. The trip time was usually when she got a med refill. So she went early and the Dr wrote her the scripts and made notes that it was being filled early because she was leaving on vacation. CVS wouldn't fill the prescription early and told us that we should fill it while we where on vacation in Arizona, which was annoying.
 

Rockinacoustic

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A doctor cannot mail a script for a scheduled drug like this. You must see them in person and they must give you the script.

They absolutely can, and are required to in cases where they call in an emergency supply (which albeit occurs rarely)
 

waggy

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Can't you go back to your GP and explain the situation? Maybe he will talk with your pain doctor.

Up here, where we pay our GP's salary, I am a firm believer that I should never have to be in pain. I have gone back to him in the past stating that the pain meds he gave me aren't strong enough, so he goes up a notch until we get it right. Now I just phone in renewals when needed.

I been thinking of talking with my GP. i have been seeing him since i was 18 (i'm 42 now).
 
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