DEAD 42 plasma for ~ 1900 if tax free and AC

Wei

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deal's dead, man that was quick

ok, now the words is out that dell has 1 20% and 1 15% stackable coupons out there. to maximize it, you need to use it on a big ticket item. so here what i did.

i told myself that i would get 1 of these if i can find it for 2000. now the time has come.

what do you guys think of the deal?
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PDP-42B 42-inch Plasma Display with Deskstand


$2,899.00 $2,899.00

Discounts and Coupons Total

You saved 20% off your Software and Peripheral order as a valued Dell Small Business customer. -$579.80





You saved 15% off your online purchase as a new Dell Small Business e-mail customer. -$347.88





Shipping Discounts and Coupons Total

Small Business customers receive free ground shipping on select Systems and Software and Peripherals items. -$70.00





Sub-total $2,899.00

Discounts -$927.68

Shipping1 $70.00

Shipping
Discount1 -$70.00

Tax1 $98.57

Total Price1 $2,069.89



As low as $56/mo. (46 payments)2
No payment for 60 days - Feature available to qualified customers
Financing Details

i have to pay 98 on tax, but if you are in a tax free state, you can get it for under 2000.

smoking if you ask me

sorry if i wasn't clear about the coupons. i got 1 20% from the catalog yesterday, and 1 15% from email today, so i stacked it up and it worked. i'll buy it tonight if i can send it to my friend's place in NH to save 100 on tax and don't forget ebates or fatcash for another 2%/3% back and makes the final price of just over 1900
 

Twingo

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Now only if I had gotten these emails ?? never heard about the 20% but I think I may have gotten the 15% one ....
 

everman

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Well I don't know about the quality of the TV, but check out avsforum for that kind of info. I'd rather get an hdtv myself although plasma is pretty sweet.
 

MJGunn

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Wait, 20% coupon? Is this a public coupon, or would it have been mailed to you?
 

cmbehan

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It's cool to have a plasma, but this is not a very good one.

It can't do HDTV for one.

I think it does have a standard TV tuner included as well as ports to be a computer monitor.
 

Wei

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gee, can't find any reviews on this at all. do others have any luck finding one?
 

GnatGoSplat

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Originally posted by: cmbehan
It's cool to have a plasma, but this is not a very good one.

It can't do HDTV for one.

It sure can.
Specs

It supports 720p and 1080i.
This will directly support the average HDTV Set Top Box since they output 1080i.
The average Progressive Scan DVD player only supports 480i/480p, but there are nicer DVD players available that can upconvert to support 720p and 1080i like the Samsung DVD-931.
 

bubbasmith99

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wow! i have one of those 20% catalog coupons but sadly no email coupon

do you know how i can go about getting the email coupon? can i subscribe for it somewhere?

the catalog coupon expires on the 19th...
 

cmbehan

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Originally posted by: GnatGoSplat
Originally posted by: cmbehan
It's cool to have a plasma, but this is not a very good one.

It can't do HDTV for one.

It sure can.
Specs

It supports 720p and 1080i.
This will directly support the average HDTV Set Top Box since they output 1080i.
The average Progressive Scan DVD player only supports 480i/480p, but there are nicer DVD players available that can upconvert to support 720p and 1080i like the Samsung DVD-931.

No it can't

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?TabPage=techspecs&sku=A0107422&category_id=4009&c=us&l=en&cs=04

Native Resolution: 852x480 Pixels (Wide VGA)

that means it can display HDTV, but not natively....in much the same way a standard TV can display HDTV...it can't do 1080 horizontal lines of resolution.

You can watch HDTV on it, but it's not true HDTV, it's scaled.
 

Ionizer

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Originally posted by: bubbasmith99
wow! i have one of those 20% catalog coupons but sadly no email coupon

do you know how i can go about getting the email coupon? can i subscribe for it somewhere?

the catalog coupon expires on the 19th...

you got pm btw read it and respond quickly
 

deeznuts

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you are partially correct. it will not display HDTV in full resolution, but neither will all rear projection tvs unless they have 9" guns.

but have you seen hdtv on a good plasma? it is beautiful, and with perfect geometry it rivals good rptv hdtvs, in some peoples opinion even surpassing it.

 

Sarcophaguy

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I run HDTV through my NEC 42MP3 and it looks pretty damn good, even though it's scaled from 1080i to 480p. IMO, you only reap the benefits of a true HDTV compatible plasma if you sit close enough. I've viewed 480p and 720p PDPs side by side, and once I get to the distance where you can't discern the pixel structure on either panel I find that contrast ratio and color saturation are more critical in producing a good picture.
 

deadmeat

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Can someone PM or email me a 20% off code from a catalogue-- mine is at my office (really) and I won't be in until Monday.... grrrr.

Many thanks in advance.
 

luv2chill

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I bought this plasma a couple weeks ago during a 15% + 10% stacking deal.

It's back in the box waiting for Dell to pick it up.

First of all let me say that I am not one of those seriously anal home theater snobs who makes a huge deal out of minute details. I really wanted to like this unit, mainly because it was so cheap. I searched out as much info on it as I could (not much) before clicking the "Process Order" button and found that it is an LG panel which is generally considered mediocre. I was too quick to dismiss those complaints as coming from HT snobs (aka people who are much more serious about HT than I).

When it arrived I set it up and plugged it in. My first reaction was disappointment because I had hoped I could use the included stand to put it on my mantel over my fireplace (thought the mantel would be wide enough) but that was a no-go. So I would have to buy the $255 wall-mount. After setting it on the floor and hooking it up to my HTPC (home-grown XP Media Center Edition) via its DVI input I was amazed at the quality.... granted it was 640 x 480, but it honestly looked like a computer monitor! Like everyone else I was accustomed to blurry s-video TV out to regular tube sets. This looked positively dazzling in comparison. Then I set out to get my extra horizontal resolution so I used powerstrip to enable 848 x 480 resolution, which is the closest you can come to the panel's native 852 x 480 resolution. This looked even better (no scaling). Unfortunately, web pages and general windows stuff is difficult with only 480 lines of vertical resolution. But that wasn't really the intended UI anyway. Media Center looked fantastic (especially after applying the Beta 2 update that finally allowed TV to be viewed in 16:9). The quality of the TV coming from the HTPC (Hauppauge PVR-250 card) was just OK, but I really wasn't that surprised given the source material. The MPEG compression at the Best quality setting looked worlds better than my ReplayTV at its Best quality setting. I put in a DVD and expected to be wowed (HTPCs are progressive scan obviously). First DVD I watched was Starship Troopers. It's a 1.85:1 so no black bars! That was cool. In general it looked great--much better than NTSC TV. DVD generally looks great on EDTV panels because it's close to the native resolution.

However, even at a distance of nine feet from the panel I noticed several problems that, in the end, were too grating for me to keep this. First and foremost, there is VERY noticable false-contouring (also referred-to as solarisation) that seemed to come and go at random. In scenes where there should be smooth transitions of color there was very obvious banding and smearing in big blotches. Some scenes would be really bad and others would be perfect, but it cropped up too often to ignore.

The next issue I didn't really notice until watching Gattaca and Donnie Darko, which are both 2.35:1 (and hence still have the black bars on the top and bottom of the picture). During certain scenes, the black level would flicker... as if the brightness was being flipped from 50 to 80 2-3 times per second. Again, it was only at certain times (seemed to be during scenes that were generally dark). But I found this so annoying that I couldn't even keep watching the films. During Gattaca I turned some of the room lights on and that made it a little better, but who wants to watch DVDs with lights on?

Also, I have become disatisfied with the blacks on this set. I don't have anything to compare it with but the blacks are definitely more of a muddy gray on this set. I didn't think it would bother me, and I know it can be partially mitigated by placing a light source behind the set, but coupled with the other stuff it was just yet another reason to return it.

To give it one last shot at impressing me, I decided to calibrate it last night with Video Essentials (I had already turned the contrast down to a reasonable setting). In doing so I realized how little this set can be adjusted. As of yet no one has located a service menu, and the only options in the main menu are brightness, contrast, and color temp (for the DVI input anyway). No picture and tint controls! Furthermore, I tried setting the brightness and contrast at various levels and never came up with a setting that fixed the flickering effect described above.

After some more research I realized that this was not a good way to spend $2400. For $1000 more, I can get the top rated 42" Panasonic EDTV Plasma, which has the best blacks and best contrast of any panel and has a ton of adjustments in the menu. To boot it also has an orbiter and screen saver to help guard against burn-in. This planar has a "white wiper" thing that runs a one-inch vertical stripe across the screen at 10 or 20 minute intervals, but I don't really think that would help much. I am concerned about burn in since this is an HTPC and has the potential to freeze up and leave a static image on the screen. I would much rather have a screen saver built into the TV for this very reason.

A couple of downsides to the Panny--no DVI input (well you can get one but it's a $300 add-in card), and it still doesn't include a wall-mount (another $200) so I've decided to wait a couple of months before buying it. A new model is coming out in August and I want to see if I can either get that model for the same price or whether the current model will drop in price at that time. That will also give me some time to save up some more bones for the $1500 extra this is going to cost me.

I have seen the Panny plasma for as low as $3300 shipped. I realize that is more than the ~$2000 you are talking about here, but unless you are partially blind or have very low expectations I think you will end up being disappointed with its PQ... also Planar is new to the world of Plasmas (who knows what their quality control and warranty service is like). Panasonic, OTOH is known for being very high quality and having great service.

When it came down to it, I decided that if I was spending this much money on a TV set, I wanted to make sure I spent enough so that I got a set with enough quality to make such a huge investment worth it. Believe me, I would rather buy a kickass RPTV for half the price, but I live in an apartment with a built-in cubby for a 27" TV and a fireplace below--a RPTV just wouldn't work in this location. Of course plasma is "cool" too and I won't deny that's a factor, but plasma has a lot of caveats for how expensive it is.

Anyway, no doubt some people out there are very happy with this panel. I was not, and like I said, I am not some super-picky perfectionist.

Anyway, I know there aren't many reviews of this model out there so I just wanted to throw in my two cents for those of you considering it. Also, if you don't have AVSForum in your bookmarks you should! Here's their thread about this panel.

l2c
 

mike2fix

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luv2chill, I really don't even care and found your post very interesting and well done, thanks.
 

VaG

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Originally posted by: luv2chillAfter some more research I realized that this was not a good way to spend $2400.
Would it be a good way to spend $1900 because that's what I just did?

 

luv2chill

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Originally posted by: VaG
Originally posted by: luv2chillAfter some more research I realized that this was not a good way to spend $2400.
Would it be a good way to spend $1900 because that's what I just did?
Well you'll have to be the judge of that! That's $500 less than what I paid... not sure how you got it that low unless you have a reseller license and called Dell to get them to remove the tax.

But for me, even $1900 was too much to spend on a display that had that many defects. The false contouring stuff I could live with, but that flickering during dark scenes was so irritating, and it seems to be a common problem among LG- based Plasmas like the Planar--see the linked AVSForum thread for more info on that.

I don't know if anyone, anywhere has ever gotten a plasma retail for $1900, so pat yourself on the back for orchestrating that... if it didn't have that flickering problem I'd likely have held onto mine as well.

After you get it, please post a review here for everyone!

l2c
 

VaG

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Actually, it was $1971 (because I was so excited I forgot ebates) and I don't have it yet. I have received both emails from Dell (acknowledgement & conformation)but it isn't on my doorstep yet. With a reseller license you don't have to call because it's the first question in the checkout process and I also have a residence in OR. I read all the threads on AVS forum before I purchased it but I value your non-anal videofile review and most likely won't crack the box open.
 
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