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[Nessism]

Sorry to be a noob but what is the reason for the double post? Related to ram voltage higher than 1.8V?

 

[ryderOCZ]

Originally posted by: Nessism
Sorry to be a noob but what is the reason for the double post? Related to ram voltage higher than 1.8V?

When a board double posts, it is changing the chipset strap or disabling EIST/C1E (Speedstep) or Virtualization technology, if you have set them to disabled in the bios.

 

[ryderOCZ]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyalThey also love those POS OCZ RAMs cause they are cheap AR. Those flashy heat spreaders look great. Course they don't know (or too lazy to ask) that shoddy 2.1-2.2V RAMs will not boot with 1.8V JEDEC default settings. If you feed this board 1.8V JEDEC RAMs from Crucial or Kington, then it will POST. Always clear CMOS just before the 1st POST to reset MB to default settings.

I have a problem with this statement.

You do realize that all our DDR2-800 ram is programmed with JEDEC standard timings of 5-5-5-15 at DDR2-800, thus allowing the board to boot at that speed, right?

You do not need 2.1 - 2.2V to boot, you just need that voltage to run the rated timings on the sticker.

You need to stop spreading mis-information, this is not what the public needs no matter how much you think you are helping.
If someone has a problem with their OCZ product, they need to consult OCZ about the problem.

Thank you.

 

[rbk123]

Originally posted by: conehead433
Wish the board didn't have a double boot problem as mentioned by way too many owners. I had rather spend an extra $100 for the pro version and not have that problem.

How often do you reboot your machine, and in what way are so impacted by a few extra seconds to reboot that you would want to spend $100 more to eliminate the problem? This makes zero sense but it's your money.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: ryderOCZ

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyalThey also love those POS OCZ RAMs cause they are cheap AR. Those flashy heat spreaders look great. Course they don't know (or too lazy to ask) that shoddy 2.1-2.2V RAMs will not boot with 1.8V JEDEC default settings. If you feed this board 1.8V JEDEC RAMs from Crucial or Kington, then it will POST. Always clear CMOS just before the 1st POST to reset MB to default settings.

I have a problem with this statement.

You do realize that all our DDR2-800 ram is programmed with JEDEC standard timings of 5-5-5-15 at DDR2-800, thus allowing the board to boot at that speed, right?

You do not need 2.1 - 2.2V to boot, you just need that voltage to run the rated timings on the sticker.

You need to stop spreading mis-information, this is not what the public needs no matter how much you think you are helping.
If someone has a problem with their OCZ product, they need to consult OCZ about the problem.

Thank you.

Yep, it should be... I have already read that it was. But there is evidence that some of the OCZ modules do have some issues. Trust me though, I would in no way single out your company for it.

You guys take nicely binned chips, testing them at a rate frequency over volted and then label them accordingly. So, my understanding is that you are ALREADY taking a standard JEDEC module and just telling the user what the ram is capable of at any given voltage.

So what OCZ does, is take out the guess work on whether your RAM will hit those speeds or not. You are paying for a garentee, essentially.

with THAT said, there is a lot of users reporting that their abits are given them trouble with the OCZ ram installed. So, from your stand point as a support tech, you might want to look into that. I don't see problems nearly as much as I do with other brands in regards to OCZ with this particular Abit IP-35E board. But the IP35-E has issues with a certain PSU too... So, maybe it is a problem with the board. Who knows.

At any rate, I am using an IP35-E and like it for the most part. Though if I had to do it over again, I'd probably have went with the Gigabyte DS3L

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: ryderOCZ

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyalThey also love those POS OCZ RAMs cause they are cheap AR. Those flashy heat spreaders look great. Course they don't know (or too lazy to ask) that shoddy 2.1-2.2V RAMs will not boot with 1.8V JEDEC default settings. If you feed this board 1.8V JEDEC RAMs from Crucial or Kington, then it will POST. Always clear CMOS just before the 1st POST to reset MB to default settings.

I have a problem with this statement.

You do realize that all our DDR2-800 ram is programmed with JEDEC standard timings of 5-5-5-15 at DDR2-800, thus allowing the board to boot at that speed, right?

You do not need 2.1 - 2.2V to boot, you just need that voltage to run the rated timings on the sticker.

You need to stop spreading mis-information, this is not what the public needs no matter how much you think you are helping.
If someone has a problem with their OCZ product, they need to consult OCZ about the problem.

Thank you.

You need to visit the Abit forum to count the number of IP35 users who could not boot at default 1.8V. The Abit website is free for all to read. Real experiences from real users are infinitely more powerful than my comments.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Nessism
Sorry to be a noob but what is the reason for the double post? Related to ram voltage higher than 1.8V?

P965 and P35 board will start-stop-start when you hit the power switch. This is normal since the system is checking/resetting the strap.

The offical JEDEC voltage for DDR2 667 or 800 is 1.8V. It is possible to cheat the system by taking 1.8V DDR2 667 and relabel it as 2.0-2.2V DDR2 800 (overclocking RAM). If the BIOS is preset to run at 2.0-2.2V, then this RAM will boot at DDR2 800. Unfortunately, the default JEDEC voltage after CMOS clear is 1.8V. The result is no POST due to insufficient voltage.

1.8V DDR2 800 RAMs from a reputable vendor like Crucial or Kingston should have a much higher chance of posting with 1.8Vdimm. Look at HP and Dell, then last two US PC maker. What do they use in most of their PCs? Crucial, Kingston, and Samsung.

You'll get much more performance from your PC by overclocking the CPU with a good board, then fooling around with overclocking RAMs.

 

[jodhas]

Originally posted by: ryderOCZ

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyalThey also love those POS OCZ RAMs cause they are cheap AR. Those flashy heat spreaders look great. Course they don't know (or too lazy to ask) that shoddy 2.1-2.2V RAMs will not boot with 1.8V JEDEC default settings. If you feed this board 1.8V JEDEC RAMs from Crucial or Kington, then it will POST. Always clear CMOS just before the 1st POST to reset MB to default settings.

I have a problem with this statement.

You do realize that all our DDR2-800 ram is programmed with JEDEC standard timings of 5-5-5-15 at DDR2-800, thus allowing the board to boot at that speed, right?

You do not need 2.1 - 2.2V to boot, you just need that voltage to run the rated timings on the sticker.

You need to stop spreading mis-information, this is not what the public needs no matter how much you think you are helping.
If someone has a problem with their OCZ product, they need to consult OCZ about the problem.

Thank you.

I've built countless systems for friends and I go out of my way to buy OCZ if I can. 90% their RAM will work as advertised if not better. Also for the rare 1 out of 10 times that it is not right, (some might be my fault) they will make it right. Their RMA and Customer Service is top notch.

They'll help you out line by line adjusting your memory spd setting when the motherboard company will not.

Also, if all else fails, they'll do whatever it takes to make it right.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: ryderOCZ

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyalThey also love those POS OCZ RAMs cause they are cheap AR. Those flashy heat spreaders look great. Course they don't know (or too lazy to ask) that shoddy 2.1-2.2V RAMs will not boot with 1.8V JEDEC default settings. If you feed this board 1.8V JEDEC RAMs from Crucial or Kington, then it will POST. Always clear CMOS just before the 1st POST to reset MB to default settings.

I have a problem with this statement.

You do realize that all our DDR2-800 ram is programmed with JEDEC standard timings of 5-5-5-15 at DDR2-800, thus allowing the board to boot at that speed, right?

You do not need 2.1 - 2.2V to boot, you just need that voltage to run the rated timings on the sticker.

You need to stop spreading mis-information, this is not what the public needs no matter how much you think you are helping.
If someone has a problem with their OCZ product, they need to consult OCZ about the problem.

Thank you.

You need to visit the Abit forum to count the number of IP35 users who could not boot at default 1.8V. The Abit website is free for all to read. Real experiences from real users are infinitely more powerful than my comments.

The problem is that you blame all problems that the IP35-E experiences on something else... You blame the memory, you blame the power supply, you blame the user! You will not for once accept the fact that maybe, just maybe, the Abit IP-35E has problems of its own! When someone posts a problem, you have robotic replies as if your information is infallable. Your demeaner on the forum leaves a lot to be desired.

But I have had this inkling that you actually work for Abit with as much as you support them and defend them to the end. Fanboy or Employee - take your pick.

 

[ryderOCZ]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyalThe offical JEDEC voltage for DDR2 667 or 800 is 1.8V. It is possible to cheat the system by taking 1.8V DDR2 667 and relabel it as 2.0-2.2V DDR2 800 (overclocking RAM). If the BIOS is preset to run at 2.0-2.2V, then this RAM will boot at DDR2 800. Unfortunately, the default JEDEC voltage after CMOS clear is 1.8V. The result is no POST due to insufficient voltage.

How am I going to get this through your head?

All DDR2... 100% of every DDR2 IC produced on this planet has a voltage of 1.8V. That is the standard for DDR2, period.

When a memory manufacturer states that a certain kit of ram needs voltage in excess of 1.8V, that is what is necessary to run at the rated speeds shown for the kit (PC2-7200, PC2-8000, PC2-8500, PC2-9200 or whatever) Nothing in JEDEC says anything about those speeds, so there is no standard to comply with for those DDR2 speeds.
This has nothing to do with requiring more voltage to boot a board. Every manufacturer has to ensure that a kit of ram will boot at the default of 1.8V if they did not, then they are shooting themselves in the foot.

I can take 6 DDR2 motherboards and 1 kit of ram, all boards have had their CMOS cleared, which means that all the boards are delivering only 1.8V to the memory as that is the standard for DDR2. The kit of ram boots in 5 of the 6 boards just fine, but fails to boot in the 6th, so we are going to blame the kit of ram for that? I think not, ram can't be good in 5 boards but then be "non compliant" in the 6th.

Regarding the IP-35 boards, Abit works closely with ram manufacturers and what has been discovered recently deals with the default setting for Trfc in the bios of the board. There are at least 6 major DDR2 IC manufacturer's that the memory manufacturer's purchase from, all the IC's have different characteristics. Micron D9 for instance (the current "king" in the DDR2 world) will boot on pretty much everything out there, no matter what the board has its default timings set to, Promos or Powerchip on the other hand, may not.
Trfc at a setting of less than 42 with some ram IC's results in the no boot condition. Abit had this timings preset too tight on the IP-35 bios the first time around. Subsequent bios releases for the boards have relaxed this timing to 42 or higher and it makes the board a lot more boot friendly to a wider range of IC's.

You are perfectly free to believe what you want to, but myself and my counterparts at other manufacturers cannot let misinformation sit out there for others to read.

I request that anyone having trouble with a certain board and a particular ram manufacturer, please contact the manufacturer, do not rely on Forum posts to solve the problem for you. The internet is full of information that can be very inaccurate, just because 20 or even 50 people have an issue does not mean there is an inherent problem. In a world full of mass manufacturing, there will be problems with product, that is what people like me are here for, to help with the problems. There will always be RMA's and it is up to the individual manufacturer's to keep RMA rates within "acceptable" levels. Those levels are unique to each manufacturer and if not controlled would surely put the company out of business.

Thank you.

 

[ginfest]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: ryderOCZ

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyalThey also love those POS OCZ RAMs cause they are cheap AR. Those flashy heat spreaders look great. Course they don't know (or too lazy to ask) that shoddy 2.1-2.2V RAMs will not boot with 1.8V JEDEC default settings. If you feed this board 1.8V JEDEC RAMs from Crucial or Kington, then it will POST. Always clear CMOS just before the 1st POST to reset MB to default settings.

I have a problem with this statement.

You do realize that all our DDR2-800 ram is programmed with JEDEC standard timings of 5-5-5-15 at DDR2-800, thus allowing the board to boot at that speed, right?

You do not need 2.1 - 2.2V to boot, you just need that voltage to run the rated timings on the sticker.

You need to stop spreading mis-information, this is not what the public needs no matter how much you think you are helping.
If someone has a problem with their OCZ product, they need to consult OCZ about the problem.

Thank you.

You need to visit the Abit forum to count the number of IP35 users who could not boot at default 1.8V. The Abit website is free for all to read. Real experiences from real users are infinitely more powerful than my comments.

The problem is that you blame all problems that the IP35-E experiences on something else... You blame the memory, you blame the power supply, you blame the user! You will not for once accept the fact that maybe, just maybe, the Abit IP-35E has problems of its own! When someone posts a problem, you have robotic replies as if your information is infallable. Your demeaner on the forum leaves a lot to be desired.

But I have had this inkling that you actually work for Abit with as much as you support them and defend them to the end. Fanboy or Employee - take your pick.

Good call, I've been wondering for months if I was the only one who noticed this guys Abit pimpage

 

[dogbone]

I've got an Intel BADAX board that's acting up, what if I slipped this one in, just moving all my drives, memory, cpu etc. over? Would I need to reload software or would it crank up and run OK?

 

[Tullphan]

Originally posted by: dogbone
I've got an Intel BADAX board that's acting up, what if I slipped this one in, just moving all my drives, memory, cpu etc. over? Would I need to reload software or would it crank up and run OK?

It's usually a good idea when one switches motherboards, one should do a fresh software install.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: jodhas

Originally posted by: ryderOCZ

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyalThey also love those POS OCZ RAMs cause they are cheap AR. Those flashy heat spreaders look great. Course they don't know (or too lazy to ask) that shoddy 2.1-2.2V RAMs will not boot with 1.8V JEDEC default settings. If you feed this board 1.8V JEDEC RAMs from Crucial or Kington, then it will POST. Always clear CMOS just before the 1st POST to reset MB to default settings.

I have a problem with this statement.

You do realize that all our DDR2-800 ram is programmed with JEDEC standard timings of 5-5-5-15 at DDR2-800, thus allowing the board to boot at that speed, right?

You do not need 2.1 - 2.2V to boot, you just need that voltage to run the rated timings on the sticker.

You need to stop spreading mis-information, this is not what the public needs no matter how much you think you are helping.
If someone has a problem with their OCZ product, they need to consult OCZ about the problem.

Thank you.

I've built countless systems for friends and I go out of my way to buy OCZ if I can. 90% their RAM will work as advertised if not better. Also for the rare 1 out of 10 times that it is not right, (some might be my fault) they will make it right. Their RMA and Customer Service is top notch.

They'll help you out line by line adjusting your memory spd setting when the motherboard company will not.

Also, if all else fails, they'll do whatever it takes to make it right.

I go with SuperTalent these days because 100% of the (admittedly limited sample size) 12 1GB DDR2-667 sticks I've purchased for myself or others worked. If I started getting bad sticks I'd stop buying from them rather than write it off as a fluke. Being a fanboy of any company is just plain bad. I remember a time when OCZ... well, when they sucked. In any case, one should always check a specific motherboard's forums/userbase for comments about issues with particular components (such as OCZ memory and certain PSUs in this case).

I don't know about recently, but the Abit boards I owned in the Celeron 300A/Athlon/Athlon XP days were great enthusiast boards. However, in my experience more people have trouble with them than Gigabyte boards, for instance. I think this is because Abit boards just aren't as compatible with certain ICs or maybe are just "pickier" about the quality/ratings of components and have less forgiving tolerances. Could also be more aggressive default BIOS settings. In any case I find it odd that the issue mainly seems to come up with OCZ memory.

 

[IEC]

Well well, a pleasant surprise for me today - got my IP35-E from UPS just now - only 2 days after ordering! Only one minor concern:

Do these boards not come with anything taped/sealed? The mobo box had zero tape/seals, same with mobo bag. CMOS battery has what looks like fingerprints all over it. I hope this wasn't open-box... going to install it now and see if it tests out.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: ryderOCZ

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyalThe offical JEDEC voltage for DDR2 667 or 800 is 1.8V. It is possible to cheat the system by taking 1.8V DDR2 667 and relabel it as 2.0-2.2V DDR2 800 (overclocking RAM). If the BIOS is preset to run at 2.0-2.2V, then this RAM will boot at DDR2 800. Unfortunately, the default JEDEC voltage after CMOS clear is 1.8V. The result is no POST due to insufficient voltage.

How am I going to get this through your head?

All DDR2... 100% of every DDR2 IC produced on this planet has a voltage of 1.8V. That is the standard for DDR2, period.

When a memory manufacturer states that a certain kit of ram needs voltage in excess of 1.8V, that is what is necessary to run at the rated speeds shown for the kit (PC2-7200, PC2-8000, PC2-8500, PC2-9200 or whatever) Nothing in JEDEC says anything about those speeds, so there is no standard to comply with for those DDR2 speeds.
This has nothing to do with requiring more voltage to boot a board. Every manufacturer has to ensure that a kit of ram will boot at the default of 1.8V if they did not, then they are shooting themselves in the foot.

I can take 6 DDR2 motherboards and 1 kit of ram, all boards have had their CMOS cleared, which means that all the boards are delivering only 1.8V to the memory as that is the standard for DDR2. The kit of ram boots in 5 of the 6 boards just fine, but fails to boot in the 6th, so we are going to blame the kit of ram for that? I think not, ram can't be good in 5 boards but then be "non compliant" in the 6th.

Regarding the IP-35 boards, Abit works closely with ram manufacturers and what has been discovered recently deals with the default setting for Trfc in the bios of the board. There are at least 6 major DDR2 IC manufacturer's that the memory manufacturer's purchase from, all the IC's have different characteristics. Micron D9 for instance (the current "king" in the DDR2 world) will boot on pretty much everything out there, no matter what the board has its default timings set to, Promos or Powerchip on the other hand, may not.
Trfc at a setting of less than 42 with some ram IC's results in the no boot condition. Abit had this timings preset too tight on the IP-35 bios the first time around. Subsequent bios releases for the boards have relaxed this timing to 42 or higher and it makes the board a lot more boot friendly to a wider range of IC's.

You are perfectly free to believe what you want to, but myself and my counterparts at other manufacturers cannot let misinformation sit out there for others to read.

I request that anyone having trouble with a certain board and a particular ram manufacturer, please contact the manufacturer, do not rely on Forum posts to solve the problem for you. The internet is full of information that can be very inaccurate, just because 20 or even 50 people have an issue does not mean there is an inherent problem. In a world full of mass manufacturing, there will be problems with product, that is what people like me are here for, to help with the problems. There will always be RMA's and it is up to the individual manufacturer's to keep RMA rates within "acceptable" levels. Those levels are unique to each manufacturer and if not controlled would surely put the company out of business.

Thank you.

1.8V DDR2 667 RAMs should post at 1.8V/333MHz but may not post at 1.8V/400MHz. If someone takes DDR2 667 RAMs and relabel them as DDR2 800, then these RAMs may not POST with 1.8V defaul BIOS. If the user manually adjust Vdimm in BIOS from 1.8V to 2.1V, then these RAMs should POST. Don't think I'm being obtuse with my explanation!

Explain to me why some OCZ DDR2 800 RAMs are rated at 2.1V when the official JEDEC standard is 1.8V DDR2 800? Surely by your explanation, "100% of every DDR2 IC produced on this planet has a voltage of 1.8V", these modules should be labeled as 1.8V? Bottomline is that most of your RAMs DO NOT conform to JEDEC standards if they cannot boot at rated DDR2 667 or 800 speed with 1.8Vdimm.

Don't side step the problem by throwing in PC2-7200, PC2-8000, PC2-8500, or PC2-9200. These are NOT recognized by JEDEC (DDR2 667 and DDR 800).

Do you need for me to post links at the Abit forum showing people with OCZ RAMs who could not POST with 1.8Vdimm using your DDR2 800 RAMs?

You can blame the problem on the Abit BIOS, but why didn't we encounter any issue with the EL CHEAP $10/GB HP DDR2 667 RAM or other Crucial and Kingston ValueRAM.

I have data to support my thesis. Many users had problem POSTING with OCZ DDR2 800 RAMs until they manually increase Vdimm to 2.1. They did not make any other change to the BIOS. This information is available for all to see at the Abit forum. I call them like I see them.

 

[IEC]

Update: Up and running on my IP35-E with my E2140 @ 2.8GHz (preliminary OC, so far so good). Running 1:1 with memory (SuperTalent DDR2-667).

Board pros:
Great OC capabilities
Great tweak options
Good chipset cooling
Decent board layout
Abit FanEQ
Inexpensive
Works with my Scythe Infinity HSF

Board cons:
Some components feel fragile/cheap
RAM retention tabs are annoying
Double-POST issue, though downloading Beta 13 now...

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

I have data to support my thesis. Many users had problem POSTING with OCZ DDR2 800 RAMs until they manually increase Vdimm to 2.1. They did not make any other change to the BIOS. This information is available for all to see at the Abit forum. I call them like I see them.

If A only has a problem with B and B only has a problem with A, who's fault is it? Certainly couldn't be A's fault! It must be B, yep, it has to be!

 

[rbk123]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

I have data to support my thesis. Many users had problem POSTING with OCZ DDR2 800 RAMs until they manually increase Vdimm to 2.1. They did not make any other change to the BIOS. This information is available for all to see at the Abit forum. I call them like I see them.

If A only has a problem with B and B only has a problem with A, who's fault is it? Certainly couldn't be A's fault! It must be B, yep, it has to be!

Not only that, what if those same users, instead of increasing Vdimm to 2.1 actually loosened Trfc at a setting of less than 42? I wonder what would have happened....

 

[cubanx]

Got mine last week and seems to be running great. Bought a E4500@2.2 CPU with the board and running it @ 3.2GHZ.

Painless mobo/cpu swap coming from a plain AMD 3200+. Only had to online activate windows and office after swap. No need for a fresh OS install thankfully.

 

[jjmIII]

Your demeaner on the forum leaves a lot to be desired.

This is true, but I think he speaks pretty honestly, and from the heart.

This is a good board, and I've not had any problems with either that I own. I do use Crucial in 800 and 1066 flavors. The cheap HP 667 (MT/Crucial) works great too (in my test).

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: cubanx
Got mine last week and seems to be running great. Bought a E4500@2.2 CPU with the board and running it @ 3.2GHZ.

Painless mobo/cpu swap coming from a plain AMD 3200+. Only had to online activate windows and office after swap. No need for a fresh OS install thankfully.

You may want to add your overclock to this database...

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2099932&enterthread=y

 

[JBT]

Just got this board so far so good. Seems to do the double post as well though I installed BIOS 12 on it... no big deal though. Currently running with a Q6600 and SuperTalent DDR800. I've only got the stock cooler right now but everything seems pretty smooth only OCed to 2.60

 

[SerpentRoyal]

The Cooler Master heat pipe is FREE AR. Performance wise, it runs 3C hotter than a stock Big Typhoon under load (E4300 @ 3.49GHz...Orthos Large mode). The push pin clip is a royal pain to set, but you can always buy a backplate/screw for a few bucks. Attachment to 939 platform board is lightning fast using the supplied clip (you'll need to remove the pre-installed Intel bracket). The pre-applied paste works well.

Cooler is whisper-quiet at low load. Full load noise is noticeable, but definitely not loud. The fan shroud keeps PWM circuits on the MB cool. You can temporarily remove the shroud by raising the two tabs on the side of the heat sink fins and rotating the shroud back and out of the heat sink. This will facilitate 775 socket installation.

I would rate this CPU a 7 (performance)...on par with the Freezer Pro. Unlike the FP, the CM clears the NB heat sink of my Abit IP35-E. There is no need to spend more money on a CPU cooler unless you're an extreme overclocker. It's a 10 (value) if you could get it for $12!

http://www.clubit.com/product_...il.cfm?itemno=A1906910

13 BIOS fixes the double post. Download link at the top of my Abit IP35-E review (MB forum).

 

[spinejam]

This is a nice inexpensive mb that overclocks well!