*DEAD*ATI 2900 XT 512MB DX10 on amazon.com

[imported_BS]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: BS

Originally posted by: Cabages
Based on everything you have said here, I would say that you are what your name claims to be

Bull Shit

You also seem to be bias towards AMD/ATI.

Oh yea Einstein thats why I bought an 8800GTS in the first place. Next time keep your comments to yourself when it doesnt offer the thread anything useful other then your worthless opinion. Maybe next time before you open your fat mouth you will travel to some Nvidia forums with the problems these cards have had in Vista. Nuff said.

Again, those problems have been resolved, even the WoW crashing issue (which was the biggest one).

My card is running fantastic in vista, overclocked to 620/940

And again mine did not, And if you goto any Nvidia forum I wouldnt be the only one.

 

[Kromis]

Oh my....

This deal is TOASTY!

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: BS

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: BS

Originally posted by: Cabages
Based on everything you have said here, I would say that you are what your name claims to be

Bull Shit

You also seem to be bias towards AMD/ATI.

Oh yea Einstein thats why I bought an 8800GTS in the first place. Next time keep your comments to yourself when it doesnt offer the thread anything useful other then your worthless opinion. Maybe next time before you open your fat mouth you will travel to some Nvidia forums with the problems these cards have had in Vista. Nuff said.

Again, those problems have been resolved, even the WoW crashing issue (which was the biggest one).

My card is running fantastic in vista, overclocked to 620/940

And again mine did not, And if you goto any Nvidia forum I wouldnt be the only one.

And i bet if you visit any forum anywhere there are people with driver issues with any piece of hardware that has a driver...

I would be absolutely shocked if there were users with driver problems on a forum full of nvidia users.

In the same sarcastic breath, id be shocked if there were an increased risk of fire at a gas station.

:roll:

Please dont ruin the thread with fanboism, i made a very real comment about the cards performance, and you came back with basically "LOL driver problems".

We will see how stable the X2900 series is on launch too on a new OS, new architecture, new driver model...

Brushing all of that aside, i would wait and see for sure before preordering or anything like that.

 

[imported_BS]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: BS

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: BS

Originally posted by: Cabages
Based on everything you have said here, I would say that you are what your name claims to be

Bull Shit

You also seem to be bias towards AMD/ATI.

Oh yea Einstein thats why I bought an 8800GTS in the first place. Next time keep your comments to yourself when it doesnt offer the thread anything useful other then your worthless opinion. Maybe next time before you open your fat mouth you will travel to some Nvidia forums with the problems these cards have had in Vista. Nuff said.

Again, those problems have been resolved, even the WoW crashing issue (which was the biggest one).

My card is running fantastic in vista, overclocked to 620/940

And again mine did not, And if you goto any Nvidia forum I wouldnt be the only one.

And i bet if you visit any forum anywhere there are people with driver issues with any piece of hardware that has a driver...

I would be absolutely shocked if there were users with driver problems on a forum full of nvidia users.

In the same sarcastic breath, id be shocked if there were an increased risk of fire at a gas station.

:roll:

Please dont ruin the thread with fanboism, i made a very real comment about the cards performance, and you came back with basically "LOL driver problems".

We will see how stable the X2900 series is on launch too on a new OS, new architecture, new driver model...

Brushing all of that aside, i would wait and see for sure before preordering or anything like that.

Ahhhh Now I get why you Keep responding, Your a true Nvidia fanboy. Really whats the point of your posts other then to defend your Nvidia because of coarse they are perfect. I told you the facts. What you Nvidia Fanboys dont get is that their cards have not worked in Vista all that well and its well documented. Just let this thread die already. You cant defend what is already known. And obviously everything is great as I had an 8800GTS (Oh yea Im a fanboy) And it didnt work properly. End of story get over it. Your fanboy reactions are getting old.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: BS

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: BS

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: BS

Originally posted by: Cabages
Based on everything you have said here, I would say that you are what your name claims to be

Bull Shit

You also seem to be bias towards AMD/ATI.

Oh yea Einstein thats why I bought an 8800GTS in the first place. Next time keep your comments to yourself when it doesnt offer the thread anything useful other then your worthless opinion. Maybe next time before you open your fat mouth you will travel to some Nvidia forums with the problems these cards have had in Vista. Nuff said.

Again, those problems have been resolved, even the WoW crashing issue (which was the biggest one).

My card is running fantastic in vista, overclocked to 620/940

And again mine did not, And if you goto any Nvidia forum I wouldnt be the only one.

And i bet if you visit any forum anywhere there are people with driver issues with any piece of hardware that has a driver...

I would be absolutely shocked if there were users with driver problems on a forum full of nvidia users.

In the same sarcastic breath, id be shocked if there were an increased risk of fire at a gas station.

:roll:

Please dont ruin the thread with fanboism, i made a very real comment about the cards performance, and you came back with basically "LOL driver problems".

We will see how stable the X2900 series is on launch too on a new OS, new architecture, new driver model...

Brushing all of that aside, i would wait and see for sure before preordering or anything like that.

Ahhhh Now I get why you Keep responding, Your a true Nvidia fanboy. Really whats the point of your posts other then to defend your Nvidia because of coarse they are perfect. I told you the facts. What you Nvidia Fanboys dont get is that their cards have not worked in Vista all that well and its well documented. Just let this thread die already. You cant defend what is already known. And obviously everything is great as I had an 8800GTS (Oh yea Im a fanboy) And it didnt work properly. End of story get over it. Your fanboy reactions are getting old.

Judging from the complexity of your story, your title, and post history, I would seriously question your motives here far more than my own. You know very little about me and ive been here a long long time.

Please, stop trolling in this thread. Take it to PMs or go to the video forums and post about how the Voodoo 3 glide is on the way out too. (if you cant sense sarcasm, your information isnt wrong, just dated)

 

[imported_BS]

[/quote]

Judging from the complexity of your story, your title, and post history, I would seriously question your motives here far more than my own. You know very little about me and ive been here a long long time.

Please, stop trolling in this thread. Take it to PMs or go to the video forums and post about how the Voodoo 3 glide is on the way out too. (if you cant sense sarcasm, your information isnt wrong, just dated)[/quote]

Yes I guess since youve been here for so long it makes you some kind of expert of forums, Yea ok dude. Just accept the fact that Nvidia has had alot of problems in Vista. Its fact. Get over it already. I dont care how long ayone has been anywhere. Doesnt make you some kind of Mr Know it all as this is the way you come off. It didnt work get over it! I can tell by your post count that you ARE a Mr Know it all!

 

[Beaner]

Sweet Mother of GOD....

If you two are gonna continue this bitchfest, at least have the decency to stop quoting all that crap every time you post!
One of you grow some balls, become a man, and end this sh|t already.

 

[VinceDee]

^^cosign

 

[deepinya]

yeah listen to the beloved patriot

 

[Acanthus]

Im done here, dont worry guys.

Listen to captain 200 post who cant install a driver and not the computer engineering major.

On topic: I advise against pre-ordering the card until you see where performance lands, and how stable the drivers are (if you are a vista user).

 

[Jules]

Link not working anymore?

 

[imported_BS]

Watch out! Mr Big stuff. You cant be but 20 years old with comments like that.

On Topic finally, Deal gone. Probably hit the preorder number. Would have been smart to preorder from amazon at that price as you could cancel if found elsewhere the day of launch or if you didnt like the numbers.

 

[Nnyan]

Not to add fuel to the flame but based on previous experience and current (two friends with vista and 8800GTS/GTX) I did notice that one of my friends continued to have problems even after the new driver. The other friend had no issues but he's like me and does a very through job of removing previous drivers and not just updating over the old. Once the friend that was having the issues did a complete removal (not just uninstall) and re-install of the new drivers he was fine.

 

[imported_BS]

Originally posted by: Nnyan
Not to add fuel to the flame but based on previous experience and current (two friends with vista and 8800GTS/GTX) I did notice that one of my friends continued to have problems even after the new driver. The other friend had no issues but he's like me and does a very through job of removing previous drivers and not just updating over the old. Once the friend that was having the issues did a complete removal (not just uninstall) and re-install of the new drivers he was fine.

I too thought that an old ATI driver could have been the problem. I bought Drivercleaner hoping that my problems would go away but it didnt change anything. Like I told someone here earlier it could be a Power issue(Not betting on it), Or a faulty card issue as well. I will find out once the 2900XT comes in. SYstem works fine now that I put my old X1800XT back in. Which was known to be a power hog as well.

Prices already on the rise as per normal on a new High End card release.

http://www.google.com/products?q=100-435906&btnG=Search&hl=en&show=dd

 

[deepinya]

BS- You are getting annoying

 

[iseestars]

First off,

I take offense of your using the initials BS. You give them a bad name

Second off,

EVERY time I've had a comp having shutdown issues it was a power issue. It's possible it's something else but not likely. A x1800xtx uses significantly less power than a 8800GTS. So does an x1900xtx (what I have). There's currently a FAR 600W Ultra PSU from Frys so you have no excuse not to have a PSU that should work for it. Also, if you fill up your motherboard to max capacity everything, it can happen that it gets overloaded and chokes.

Third,
I've had wonderful experience with ATI cards and their drivers are happier working smoothly with HDTV in my experience. That said, I have a geforce 6800 in my side comp running vista with no issues in normal operation or in WoW. If it's a driver issue, the problem is probably with your motherboard, not the card. Video cards are pretty standard, motherboards have a lot more variety.

I'm not saying that it can't be a driver issue, but you don't sound like you actually know what you're doing. You don't need to buy a program to remove your driver. You need to uninstall the driver so the generic windows driver's there and then install the new driver. If you were going to spend money, I'd think that it'd have been better invested in a PSU upgrade since your issue sounds very much like a power issue and not a driver issue. The other possibility is that it was a defective card.

And actually you'll won't know for a fact what it was when you get your shiny new card. Just to point a few things out here:

If your new card works, it means it wasn't a power issue. You still won't know whether it was a defective card or a driver issue.

If your new card doesn't work, it could be a power issue, a bad driver as you put it, or a bad card. It doesn't say anything about the card you returned.

 

[XNice]

Who spends $450 on hardware that hasn't even been reviewed yet by hardocp, or even la shrimpi himself?

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: iseestars
First off,

I take offense of your using the initials BS. You give them a bad name

Second off,

EVERY time I've had a comp having shutdown issues it was a power issue. It's possible it's something else but not likely. A x1800xtx uses significantly less power than a 8800GTS. So does an x1900xtx (what I have). There's currently a FAR 600W Ultra PSU from Frys so you have no excuse not to have a PSU that should work for it. Also, if you fill up your motherboard to max capacity everything, it can happen that it gets overloaded and chokes.

I'm sorry, but that is crazy. the X1900XTX is one of the most power hungary gpu's out there. If you take a look at anandtechs various video reviews it shows the X1900xtx coming in at 159w idle and 343 watt under load (using A64 FX-55, TDP of 104watt) and the 8800GTS shows 186w idle and 284 watt under load (using Core 2 Extreme x6800, TDP of 75 watt). Even with the difference in the cpu the X1900XTX uses ~25 more watts at load so at the very least they are close.

Third,
I've had wonderful experience with ATI cards and their drivers are happier working smoothly with HDTV in my experience. That said, I have a geforce 6800 in my side comp running vista with no issues in normal operation or in WoW. If it's a driver issue, the problem is probably with your motherboard, not the card. Video cards are pretty standard, motherboards have a lot more variety.

*sigh* nVidia has and still has rather serious DX10 driver issues with vista which is what was being talked about here. In case you missed it, your 6800 is not a DX10 part. My 7800GT and 6800GT both work great in vista but I am still waiting to get a 8800 until I know the drivers are fixed though the latest batch gives me hope.

I'm not saying that it can't be a driver issue, but you don't sound like you actually know what you're doing.

No offense but neither do you.

You don't need to buy a program to remove your driver. You need to uninstall the driver so the generic windows driver's there and then install the new driver. If you were going to spend money, I'd think that it'd have been better invested in a PSU upgrade since your issue sounds very much like a power issue and not a driver issue. The other possibility is that it was a defective card.

And yet most people reccomend using driver cleaner to get rid of all trace of the previous drivers as windows uninstaller is known to leave fragments.

And actually you'll won't know for a fact what it was when you get your shiny new card. Just to point a few things out here:

If your new card works, it means it wasn't a power issue. You still won't know whether it was a defective card or a driver issue.

If your new card doesn't work, it could be a power issue, a bad driver as you put it, or a bad card. It doesn't say anything about the card you returned.

If his new card works all he knows is that it most likely was not a power issue and probably a driver issue. PLEASE, in the future read the reviews and spend some time getting to know about the issues at hand before responding.

 

[clayfu]

your post would have been freaking awesome as a reply if he wasn't talking about a completely different card (1800 does not equal 1900?)

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: clayfu
your post would have been freaking awesome as a reply if he wasn't talking about a completely different card (1800 does not equal 1900?)

He specifically said X1800xtx and X1900xtx both use way less power... so the reply stands

Originally posted by: iseestars
...A x1800xtx uses significantly less power than a 8800GTS. So does an x1900xtx (what I have)...

 

[imported_BS]

Originally posted by: iseestars
First off,

I take offense of your using the initials BS. You give them a bad name

Second off,

EVERY time I've had a comp having shutdown issues it was a power issue. It's possible it's something else but not likely. A x1800xtx uses significantly less power than a 8800GTS. So does an x1900xtx (what I have). There's currently a FAR 600W Ultra PSU from Frys so you have no excuse not to have a PSU that should work for it. Also, if you fill up your motherboard to max capacity everything, it can happen that it gets overloaded and chokes.

Third,
I've had wonderful experience with ATI cards and their drivers are happier working smoothly with HDTV in my experience. That said, I have a geforce 6800 in my side comp running vista with no issues in normal operation or in WoW. If it's a driver issue, the problem is probably with your motherboard, not the card. Video cards are pretty standard, motherboards have a lot more variety.

I'm not saying that it can't be a driver issue, but you don't sound like you actually know what you're doing. You don't need to buy a program to remove your driver. You need to uninstall the driver so the generic windows driver's there and then install the new driver. If you were going to spend money, I'd think that it'd have been better invested in a PSU upgrade since your issue sounds very much like a power issue and not a driver issue. The other possibility is that it was a defective card.

And actually you'll won't know for a fact what it was when you get your shiny new card. Just to point a few things out here:

If your new card works, it means it wasn't a power issue. You still won't know whether it was a defective card or a driver issue.

If your new card doesn't work, it could be a power issue, a bad driver as you put it, or a bad card. It doesn't say anything about the card you returned.

LOL!
I love how people come in here and try to tell me that I dont know what I am doing when I deal with this stuff everyday in an IT department mostly on the hardware End. Really you guys crack me up. Ive probably been messing with computers when you were still wearing diapers. LOL!
I know exactly what I'm doing and no the 8800GTS is not alot higher on the power usage over the X1800XT. It is by some but not as much as you think, Just saw a chart on this the other day, Dont remember the URL or I would post it.

And secondly my BS comes from the soyo rebate fiasco from when I first joined here as the whole mess was BS and I actually got help and my rebate from a soyo rep from using such name so NO I don't give BS a bad name! Sorry son.

How much you want to bet when I get the 2900XT and put it in my system that it will shutdown correctly??? Well...... I'm betting it works fine. But I could be wrong. I'm betting not but you never know. And this card will be pulling far more juice then the 8800GTS from reports.

And lastly I wrote in length about it being several things and it will sure come out in the wash once I get the new card.

Missed your, You dont need a driver cleaner. LOL, Hmm thats why It found ATI stuff in the registry after it was uninstalled, You really are misinformed about somethings. For the most part you do not but you really need to brush up on your tech by visiting some hardware forums.

And just when I thought this thread was dead, HA! It pulls me back in.
Spike you cant tell Mr know it alls that they are wrong. Its really easy to tell some of them by their post counts.

Oh and deepinya who asked you? If thats all you have to add then move along. If you wouldn't have left this stupid comment this thread wouldn't have been brought back. Now who's being annoying?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Spike

*sigh* nVidia has and still has rather serious DX10 driver issues with vista which is what was being talked about here. In case you missed it, your 6800 is not a DX10 part. My 7800GT and 6800GT both work great in vista but I am still waiting to get a 8800 until I know the drivers are fixed though the latest batch gives me hope.

Except that DX10 isnt even launched yet... and the issues have nothing to do with DX10.

It was a vista driver problem, that has been corrected by the latest WHQL certified drivers for everything but SLI.

 

[TekDemon]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Im done here, dont worry guys.

Listen to captain 200 post who cant install a driver and not the computer engineering major.

On topic: I advise against pre-ordering the card until you see where performance lands, and how stable the drivers are (if you are a vista user).

For what it's worth being a computer engineering major doesn't neccessarily mean that you'd actually be better than a run of the mill uber-geek.

Anyways, driver issues depend a lot on the other hardware in a system so even if you don't personally have Vista issues that doesn't mean that other people won't.

At least most modern hardware don't seem to have all the horrible IRQ issues that I remember having to deal with back in the 90's with PCI video cards. Oh and those original Windows ATI drivers were quite hilarious...people literally had to reinstall windows half the time they tried to UPDATE their drivers because the update would botch windows so badly that you couldn't boot at all (not even safe mode). Hilarious.

And for what it's worth, whether or not nVidia can resolve the issues for all hardware eventually isn't the point. If something isn't working with your current hardware/software configuration, it's much less annoying to simply install a card that will work instead of updating the drivers 20 times and cleaning the traces of previous installs, while hoping that nVidia has finally patched your stuff to work. Sometimes it's just easier since not everyone enjoys spending hours and hours trying to troubleshoot an issue even if they're perfectly capable of it.

BTW I'm not entirely sure why so many people seem to insist it's a power supply issue, if the PSU wasn't enough to deal with the 8800GTS it'd be more likely to cause random shutdowns, especially while doing graphically intensive stuff, not cause the system to hang and not shutdown. That kind of thing is more likely that the driver (or some other piece of video card software) is causing the shutdown process in Vista to hang. Or really it could be any driver, but since BS says replacing the video card fixes the issue I'm inclined to believe that the nVidia driver really is causing him problems.

And while I"m sure he could spend 10 days googling and trying out every possible combination of every system driver he needs until maybe some config works, he probably just doesn't feel like it's worth the effort in his case.

Stop being fanboys, please (I have an nVidia 6800 card in my main system so it's not like I'm an ATI fanboy, but it's a little ridiculous to go flaming BS just because he gave up on the 8800....seriously, get over it, someone didn't like the 8800, OMG)

 

[imported_BS]

But wait a min he knows everything hes a computer engineering major. After he stated this I knew it wasnt worth talking to him anymore.
But on a serious note, I would have kept the card if it worked properly on shutdown as this was the only issue I was having with it and I acually liked the card for the $230 price.

 

[Acanthus]

To: Tekdemon

If you read the thread, all i did was say it was more than likely a power supply issue, and that the drivers are now substantially better.

My reccomendation was to *NOT* buy the HD2900XT until after the benchmarks are seen, and driver stability in vista is known.

The argument with "BS" came along when:

Maybe next time before you open your fat mouth you will travel to some Nvidia forums with the problems these cards have had in Vista. Nuff said.

To another user.

then in reply to me:

Your a true Nvidia fanboy. Really whats the point of your posts other then to defend your Nvidia because of coarse they are perfect. I told you the facts. What you Nvidia Fanboys dont get is that their cards have not worked in Vista all that well and its well documented.

I can pull a sales reciept or two from ingram micro that would disagree with that assertion, but really youre not worth my time.

Also note that early on:

Take it to PMs

Was ignored.