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Garlic

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Originally posted by: rhacquer
Originally posted by: Garlic
Why we need more audio processing power than the Audigy2 ZS can deliver is beyond me.

Just remember, they used to say that about 640 kb RAM too. Betcha Solitaire takes more than that now!

Sure larger programs take more memory and programs are always increasing in size.

On the other hand our ears have a set limit of 40khz or so which will NEVER go beyond that and because of this we have already reached perfect sound card output quality in those frequencies YEARS ago.

If you have an Audigy 2 ZS and are thinking of upgrading to these new X-fi card for better sound quality FORGET it.

Audio DSP is a rather simple technology and sorry folks we have reached the sound quality limit. Its not creative, its our ears. We just cant hear any better....
 

resinboy

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has Creative gotten any better with their install and their drivers? I bailed on them about 3 years ago because I was so fed up with minor problems, and went to a Santa Cruz- absolutely the most install/ problem free card I have owned.
 

Tu13erhead

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Originally posted by: resinboy
has Creative gotten any better with their install and their drivers? I bailed on them about 3 years ago because I was so fed up with minor problems, and went to a Santa Cruz- absolutely the most install/ problem free card I have owned.

My Audigy 2 Platinum installs just fine, every time. Just make sure to use the latest drivers and programs from the website.
 

Wag

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Why would I want this over my Audigy1? It works with new X-Fi drivers, and supports everything except EAX5.
 

DeMeo

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Some deal....

XFI platinum for $129 after rebates... only trouble is that CC doesn't carry this item. "coming soon" and for in store pickup - "not carried"

 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: ajpa123
I have a question. Will Best Buy price match the Platinum X-Fi to Circuit City's $149.00.

And will they also allow you to add the Best Buy 10% off Coupon. (expires on the 10th..tomorrow)

Here's a pic of the extra goodies that come with the Platinum. I think it's worth the extra few dollars

I don't think so, if I memory serves me, BBY doesn't price match rebates.

 

ajpa123

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Originally posted by: DeMeo
Some deal....

XFI platinum for $129 after rebates... only trouble is that CC doesn't carry this item. "coming soon" and for in store pickup - "not carried"

'coming soon' means coming soon. It means that CC doesn't carry this item YET.. lol Hopefully, all CC stores will have them midweek with their next delivey.

You have until the 15th for the $20 rebate.
If you can't wait for it, go pay $199 at Best Buy.
 

Wag

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Maybe I wasn't clear- Can someone explain to me why I would want this card over the Audigy1? I already have a M-Audio Revolution for music.

Is the X-Fi greatly superior for gaming? The Audigy1 supports EAX4.
 

ajpa123

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Originally posted by: Wag
Maybe I wasn't clear- Can someone explain to me why I would want this card over the Audigy1? I already have a M-Audio Revolution for music.

Is the X-Fi greatly superior for gaming? The Audigy1 supports EAX4.

This article might help you a little

Here's a snippet
Should you buy an X-Fi?

If you have a current Audigy 2 solution and you are only a casual music listener or gamer, the answer is likely no. That user would likely opt for the $129 basic version, which is too much for the gain they would see. If you're a serious audio buff, though, you should give some thought to it, particularly if you're building a new system. The 127-voice capability is pretty amazing, and you'll have great fun fooling around with all the audio effects. Think about moving up to the Platinum, though, as the 1/4-inch jacks allow more robust connection to high end headphones and also brings that spiffy remote to the table.

I'm gonna buy a set of these grado headphones and i think the x-fi pairs to headphones better than an audigy 1 or 2. Just my Opinion. I'm an audio Noobie.
 

JasonCoder

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Originally posted by: ITPaladin
Originally posted by: fuentefan
Originally posted by: Gulzakar
what, you'll have to legally own your OS?

poor baby...

The two have nothing to do with one another

yep. Ever hear of Linux?

Ever hear of you knew that when you installed Linux that you were either waiting several months for drivers to get to you or you write your own?
 

Chucko

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It pisses me off when stores advertise products they don't have. Not only can I not order on the website, but it is not available in any store in my area. Why have a sale for an item that you don't have? The item doesn't say "out of stock", it says coming soon. Why put a product on sale that you don't stock???
 

Yuriman

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Originally posted by: Garlic
Sure larger programs take more memory and programs are always increasing in size.

On the other hand our ears have a set limit of 40khz or so which will NEVER go beyond that and because of this we have already reached perfect sound card output quality in those frequencies YEARS ago.

If you have an Audigy 2 ZS and are thinking of upgrading to these new X-fi card for better sound quality FORGET it.

Audio DSP is a rather simple technology and sorry folks we have reached the sound quality limit. Its not creative, its our ears. We just cant hear any better....


Long ago, perfect color came to computers. 24bit. Tell me, is a video card that supports 24bit color still top-of-the-line?

I'd suggest reading up on the X-Fi before commenting on it.
 

SXMP

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I would suggest taking a basic phonetics class or audiology class and reading about sampling, D->A, and similiar topics. There is a reason why there is a market for companies like M-Audio (who produce higher end sound cards among other things) and also a reason why literally hundreds of companies pour millions of dollars into research for better sounding sound cards.

"Audio DSP is a rather simple technology and sorry folks we have reached the sound quality limit. Its not creative, its our ears. We just cant hear any better...." I disagree with this for aforementioned topics.
 

masteraleph

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Originally posted by: SXMP
I would suggest taking a basic phonetics class or audiology class and reading about sampling, D->A, and similiar topics. There is a reason why there is a market for companies like M-Audio (who produce higher end sound cards among other things) and also a reason why literally hundreds of companies pour millions of dollars into research for better sounding sound cards.

"Audio DSP is a rather simple technology and sorry folks we have reached the sound quality limit. Its not creative, its our ears. We just cant hear any better...." I disagree with this for aforementioned topics.

QFT. For example, note that the analog outputs on the EMU 0404 and 1212 both sound better than on the X-fi, let alone the Audigy 2. If you're using computer speakers, you may not notice. If you're using a good set of headphones, you will.
 

Odeen

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Originally posted by: Yuriman

Long ago, perfect color came to computers. 24bit. Tell me, is a video card that supports 24bit color still top-of-the-line?

I'd suggest reading up on the X-Fi before commenting on it.

That's not a valid analogy. 2^24 = 16,777,216 colors. The human eye can only distinguish about 4 or 5 million colors, so 24-bit color is, for all intents and purposes, "perfect."

With that in mind, the main reasons video cards went to 32-bit color is ease of programming and speed. 32-bit color dedicates a nice 4-byte chunk of memory to each pixel. With binary amounts of memory, addressing in 4-byte chunks divides the memory neatly. 24-bit color results in oddly-sized 3-byte chunks which take more computational power to address.

Back when having 4mb of RAM on a video card was a premium feature, you couldn't just use 1/3 more memory to make your life easier, so you sacrificed speed for space and used 24-bit color. But, once 16mb became the norm, 1600 pixels x 1200 pixels x 32bits/pixel x double buffering = 15 megabytes. 32-bit color became the norm.

A full-color digital photo displayed on an old Matrox Millenium II video card will look just as good as when it's displayed on a brand spanking new Geforce 7800 GTX. Better, maybe, because converting the digital information to analog output is never a "perfect" process, which is why M-Audio and other exotic audiophile cards sound better with plain stereo sources.

However, Doom3 will look significantly better on a 7800GTX, which can do more PROCESSING to the image. That's why the X-Fi is a better card for gaming - it can process more 3D sound effects with better quality and more features than anything else. Static vs. interactive content.
 

mindless1

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Originally posted by: masteraleph
Originally posted by: SXMP"Audio DSP is a rather simple technology and sorry folks we have reached the sound quality limit. Its not creative, its our ears. We just cant hear any better...." I disagree with this for aforementioned topics.

QFT. For example, note that the analog outputs on the EMU 0404 and 1212 both sound better than on the X-fi, let alone the Audigy 2. If you're using computer speakers, you may not notice. If you're using a good set of headphones, you will.

Quite true, these cards are not designed to actually sound good, they're designed for "features", including hardware support for gaming. If someone can't hear the difference easily it's probably a sign that their sound card wasn't the weakest link to begin with.

That doesn't mean they're "bad" per se, if someone prefers a gaming-optimized card then so be it.
 
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