[DEAD DEAL] Dell 2001FP 20" LCD for $749 no rebates - NOT 2000FP

[cliftonite]

sweet, mine got shipped today

 

[mallrice]

Thanks for the tip on the stuck pixels. Mine came, it has 7, but i can only find them if i search on a black screen. During usage it's almost impossible since they are so small (and i have 20/15 vision). 6 stuck green, 1 red.

I also do not have the white spot issue.

 

[degaffman]

HA HA HA. You Fools. I'll pick mine up 6 months from now for $299, after 3 rebates and 2 coupons.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: degaffman
HA HA HA. You Fools. I'll pick mine up 6 months from now for $299, after 3 rebates and 2 coupons.

Yup, you'll show us.

 

[Kwei]

Originally posted by: degaffman
HA HA HA. You Fools. I'll pick mine up 6 months from now for $299, after 3 rebates and 2 coupons.

I hope so, I'll be pickin up 3 more for myself when that happens...happy waiting.

J

 

[PartialRecall]

Originally posted by: 'BARtMAN'

Originally posted by: PartialRecall

LCD's don't have refresh rates, they have response times. Similar analogy maybe, but completely different things. A typical LCD panel will show up in Windows Display control panel as running at 60 Hertz but it's irrelevant. You can change it to 85 or 100 Hertz but you'll see no difference in the display. Leave it at 60 Hertz and enjoy the picture.

You're half right, only when it's connected to a DVI does it not have a refresh. Then the videocard is directly telling it what pixels to be turn on/off, then your "refresh" depends on your responce time... When your using a VGA/Dsub connection, the videocard sends the singal at the refresh your set at, and like I said before it doesn't matter if you have a 1ms responce time, your card isn't sending enough information for it to display...

What??? LOL
An LCD display is always digital regardless of the cable used and it's response time does not vary. You're implying an analog connection will allow the video card to adjust the reponse time ( or perceived refresh rate), and that ain't so. Your analog connection may allow you more refresh rate choices in the control panel, but adjusting the rate up is sending the wrong timing signals to the display and the picture will look worse, not better.

 

[PartialRecall]

Originally posted by: pprior
Dead pixels are always off - best seen with a white screen. Stuck pixels are usually more problematic - they can be any color and are always that color and always are on. These are best seen with blue/green/red screens.

I'm not recommending this, but in the past I've read that a new monitor with dead pixels can sometimes be fixed if you lightly put pressure on that area of the screen. My first dell LCD (2000FP) had 1 dead pixel. I tried that and it didn't seem to work, but I left it on for 2 days on a pure white screen (read that somewhere) and the pixel activated and I haven't had any dead pixels since.

As to the grainy issue, I can't understand what you are seeing - 1600x1200 pixels is 1600x1200 no matter what monitor you're looking at. Could be video card quality?

I think the grainy issue may indeed be a video card issue, especially when it varys from one monitor to another. ExtremeTech had a good article regarding the quality of the DVI transmitter on various cards and how it affected the display quality. ExtremeTech

That article may not explain it all though. I know when I switched from a quality CRT to a quality LCD, the LCD appeared grainy but I think I was just seeing a sharper picture. The CRT looks kinda blurry now that I've gotten used to the LCD.

 

['BARtMAN']

Originally posted by: PartialRecall

Originally posted by: 'BARtMAN'

Originally posted by: PartialRecall

LCD's don't have refresh rates, they have response times. Similar analogy maybe, but completely different things. A typical LCD panel will show up in Windows Display control panel as running at 60 Hertz but it's irrelevant. You can change it to 85 or 100 Hertz but you'll see no difference in the display. Leave it at 60 Hertz and enjoy the picture.

You're half right, only when it's connected to a DVI does it not have a refresh. Then the videocard is directly telling it what pixels to be turn on/off, then your "refresh" depends on your responce time... When your using a VGA/Dsub connection, the videocard sends the singal at the refresh your set at, and like I said before it doesn't matter if you have a 1ms responce time, your card isn't sending enough information for it to display...

What??? LOL
An LCD display is always digital regardless of the cable used and it's response time does not vary. You're implying an analog connection will allow the video card to adjust the reponse time ( or perceived refresh rate), and that ain't so. Your analog connection may allow you more refresh rate choices in the control panel, but adjusting the rate up is sending the wrong timing signals to the display and the picture will look worse, not better.

When did I ever say the LCD worked any other way? The display is digital, the singal being sent to the monitor is analog when going through the dsub/VGA connector. If the analog signal is only 60hz, I sure would like to know how you could get 16ms out of that, seeing how 16ms would be around 75hz... The LCD can't just make up colors and guess what should be shown...

 

[luv2chill]

Originally posted by: PartialRecall
I think the grainy issue may indeed be a video card issue, especially when it varys from one monitor to another. ExtremeTech had a good article regarding the quality of the DVI transmitter on various cards and how it affected the display quality. ExtremeTech

That article may not explain it all though. I know when I switched from a quality CRT to a quality LCD, the LCD appeared grainy but I think I was just seeing a sharper picture. The CRT looks kinda blurry now that I've gotten used to the LCD.

No, it's not the video card (IMHO). I have an ATI All In Wonder 9800 and replaced a 2000FP with this 2001FP. Both displays were connected via DVI. On the 2001FP you can discern a grid/line pattern if you look closely (at the blue XP taskbar for instance, or even the background on these forum messages). It's strange as it tends to appear for an instant and then disappear. I have encountered other LCDs that exhibit this behavior (my HP Jornada 568, for instance). I have no idea what causes it, but it appears to be inherent in particular brands and models.

All in all, I'm really not that impressed with this display. I have six stuck pixels of various colors, there is uneven lighting throughout the panel (only visible in a dark room with a black screen), and the picture is not as sharp and smooth as it was on my 2000FP (again, IMHO). I'll give it a couple of weeks to see if I come around, but otherwise I may go back to the 2000FP. Another thing, I don't find the 2000FP the slightest bit ugly. Because the bezel on this 2001FP is so thin it almost makes the screen look smaller. I keep having to convince myself that this really is a 20" screen.

It's not horrible or anything, but I guess it was just hyped up too much.

l2c

 

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[zmatrix]

Anyone using this monitor with an older card such as a Geforce 3 Ti500? I can't get the DVI to work for some reason.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: zmatrix
Anyone using this monitor with an older card such as a Geforce 3 Ti500? I can't get the DVI to work for some reason.

try updating the drivers on the card.

I had something like that happen when I switched cards between ATI Radeon 9600 and 8500 and after I installed the new Cat drivers it worked fine.l

 

[FiLeZz]

Well airborne says my 2 monitors will arive on Tuesday..

WaHooo

To bad it was not on friday so I would have the weekend to play with them ooohhh well


Such is life.

 

[echoreply]

Originally posted by: luv2chill
No, it's not the video card (IMHO). I have an ATI All In Wonder 9800 and replaced a 2000FP with this 2001FP.

I also just replaced my 2000FP with a 2001FP, and the 2001FP makes a very high pitched buzz that the 2000FP never made. It is just at the upper range of my hearing, but it is annoying when sitting close to the monitor. Does anybody elses do that, or do I need to call Dell and get it replaced?

 

[cliftonite]

Damn going to get mine Monday Why cant they deliver on Saturday

 

[Kreggo]

Got mine yesterday. Just hooked it up to my Dell laptop at work via the DVI connector and watched a little bit of Austin Powers, yeah baby!
Ran the pixel test program- no dead pixels! And I can not detect any difference in the brightness at the top right of the screen that others have mentioned.
This thing is bright and the colors are really vibrant. Makes my laptop screen look like doo-doo.
Only thing I don't like is the anti glare coating that Dell uses. It makes the screen look 'shimmery'. My 18" Dell LCD has the same effect. I can live with it, but I don't like it.
But I do love having all this room- 1600X1200 is sweet.

 

[tiejiba]

Originally posted by: pprior
This is a 1600x1200 display. If you are running that resolution using a DVI cable, there is no "grain". Activating XP's LCD font smoothing also helps quite a bit for any LCD if you're not used to using an LCD monitor.

If you're trying to run any resolution other than 1600x1200 then all bets are off - LCDs should be run at their native resolution. If you can't - next best is 800x600 (1/2)

dude , how to do this? Activating XP's LCD font smoothing also helps quite a bit for any LCD if you're not used to using an LCD monitor.

 

[audscott]

Originally posted by: tiejiba

Originally posted by: pprior
This is a 1600x1200 display. If you are running that resolution using a DVI cable, there is no "grain". Activating XP's LCD font smoothing also helps quite a bit for any LCD if you're not used to using an LCD monitor.

If you're trying to run any resolution other than 1600x1200 then all bets are off - LCDs should be run at their native resolution. If you can't - next best is 800x600 (1/2)

dude , how to do this? Activating XP's LCD font smoothing also helps quite a bit for any LCD if you're not used to using an LCD monitor.

Link for the lazy

 

[Schnieds]

2001 REVIEW

I have written a review of the 2001FP.

Check it out in this thread.

Schnieds

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Just ordered mine. I hope it ships before the weekend.

Not too shabby. I ordered it yesterday (Thursday) afternoon, and I just received a shipping notification.

 

[zmatrix]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: zmatrix
Anyone using this monitor with an older card such as a Geforce 3 Ti500? I can't get the DVI to work for some reason.

try updating the drivers on the card.

I had something like that happen when I switched cards between ATI Radeon 9600 and 8500 and after I installed the new Cat drivers it worked fine.l

I uninstalled the drivers and installed the newest nvida drivers (build date 12-9-03). For some I don't see an option to switch to a DVI connection. I clicked on the button that says my tv is not listed, restarted and got the Nview panel but it just shows one display. I have a CRT still hooked up via vga, and the 2001fp hooked up via DVI. What am I doing wrong?

 

[LoverBoyJ]

WOOT!! mine shows up its on the way, I ordered last 12/9... I hope it a new batch with a fixed back light.
Hopefully I won't be disappointed!!! BUT my wallet is...

I have a CRT still hooked up via vga, and the 2001fp hooked up via DVI. What am I doing wrong?

Can we do that?? :Q

 

[Maddscientist]

I have a CRT still hooked up via vga, and the 2001fp hooked up via DVI. What am I doing wrong?

What your doing wrong is trying to use 2 monitors with a card that does not have dual dacs. Unplug your VGA monitor sport You cant do duel displays on Most if not all TI 300's I believe.

 

[ZroK]

Received mine today, ordered on 12/9.

Build Date is November 2003.

No Dead Pixels, No white spot on upper-right corner of the screen, although it's 3pm and ambient light is there. I will look closely again tonight with lights off.

 

[OdiN]

My second one came today I only ordered it Wednesday, pretty quick.

The first one as I said has no backlight issue and no dead pixels at all.

The second one has no backlight issue and has just one dead pixel in the upper left area. It will be covered by icons pretty much and is outside of the DVD viewing area so I will probably never see it and I'll probably just keep that one rather than sending it back.

Overall I'm very impressed. One bad pixel out of 3.84 million isn't bad at all, and with the location I can live with it. Especially since I use darker background images I will probably never see it.

I will try a few tricks to get it to come alive but who knows.