[DEAD DEAL] Dell 2001FP 20" LCD for $749 no rebates - NOT 2000FP

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Kwei

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I put some pics up of my 2001FP and the 2001FP that I recieved to RMA it. I think I need to order another one of these things: )

Dual 2001FP

They are the pics called "dual". By the way the one on the right is the one that was returned. It had some dead pixels and very slight bleeding in the top. The new one has no dead pixels but major bleeding in top right. Bleeding is more annoying than dead pixels IMO. Anyways, enjoy the pix.

J
 

Jackman

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After reading all the BAD reviews over this monitor makes me real hesitant in ever getting one to replace my Sony E500 21" crt. If this happens to Dell, then are all brands of LCD's having problems like this. One thing i'd like to address is, is the height adjustable, It stands Very tall, my desk's Hutch has barely enough to set my 21" in the hole for the monitor, PS, my desk is great, its not going anywhere to accomidate a Dell 2001. Second question is gameplay on it. I have a 9700 pro with DVI of course and would like to know how it performs (refresh-response time) compared to my Sony crt. Thanks.
 

ShoNuff

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Originally posted by: Kwei
I put some pics up of my 2001FP and the 2001FP that I recieved to RMA it. I think I need to order another one of these things: )

Dual 2001FP

They are the pics called "dual". By the way the one on the right is the one that was returned. It had some dead pixels and very slight bleeding in the top. The new one has no dead pixels but major bleeding in top right. Bleeding is more annoying than dead pixels IMO. Anyways, enjoy the pix.

J

That dual monitor setup is sweet and I'm jealous! Out of curiosity, does your power brick get hot wrapped in that plastic? In Kris's original article (or review of the 2001FP) he mentioned something about how the performance of the monitor is affected when the power brick gets too hot. I think I read that in his review? I'll have to go and look again.


 

CoolTech

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Originally posted by: Jackman
After reading all the BAD reviews over this monitor makes me real hesitant in ever getting one to replace my Sony E500 21" crt. If this happens to Dell, then are all brands of LCD's having problems like this. One thing i'd like to address is, is the height adjustable, It stands Very tall, my desk's Hutch has barely enough to set my 21" in the hole for the monitor, PS, my desk is great, its not going anywhere to accomidate a Dell 2001. Second question is gameplay on it. I have a 9700 pro with DVI of course and would like to know how it performs (refresh-response time) compared to my Sony crt. Thanks.

id like to know about the height adjustment as well
 

Kwei

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Originally posted by: ShoNuff
Originally posted by: Kwei
I put some pics up of my 2001FP and the 2001FP that I recieved to RMA it. I think I need to order another one of these things: )

Dual 2001FP

They are the pics called "dual". By the way the one on the right is the one that was returned. It had some dead pixels and very slight bleeding in the top. The new one has no dead pixels but major bleeding in top right. Bleeding is more annoying than dead pixels IMO. Anyways, enjoy the pix.

J

That dual monitor setup is sweet and I'm jealous! Out of curiosity, does your power brick get hot wrapped in that plastic? In Kris's original article (or review of the 2001FP) he mentioned something about how the performance of the monitor is affected when the power brick gets too hot. I think I read that in his review? I'll have to go and look again.

The dual setup was only temporary...sorry if that wasnt clear. I was RMAing one of them and had 2 in my posession for a day. That is why the power brick was not unwrapped, it was the new one that came and I didnt want to unwrap it. I'm sure having the bubble pack around it didnt help it keep cool, but i didnt notice any meltdowns or anything like that.

As far as the height adjustable question goes, the monitor can be adjusted down almost all the way to the bottom of the base, I just keep mine all the way at the top for personal preference. Hope that helps.

J
 

Entropism

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DEAD deal. Dell just raised the price back to $999.00. I spent 20 minutes just now arguing to get the sale price and finally succeeded. it's now VERY YMMV.
 

visualguy

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I just received my 2001fp. The manufacturing date is October, 2003. I was concerned after reading about the dead pixels, backlight problems, and the "grid pattern" caused by thick pixel borders. I guess I was lucky - I don't have any dead pixels or backlight leakage. I can see the grid pattern that people are talking about, but it's not really an issue in my opinion.

I also have a 2000fp connected to the same dual DVI video card, so I can look at the 2001fp and the 2000fp side-by-side displaying the same image ("clone mode"). The 2001fp is much better. It has a brighter, more vivid image with richer colors. One difference that was immediately evident to me was how much better white areas look on the 2001fp. White looks somewhat yellowish on the 2000fp, but it's pure white on the 2001fp. I also compared to the Dell 1702fp, and the 2001fp displays a better image than that panel as well.

I've never seen the Samsung 213t. Many people posted that it has a better image than the 2001fp. If that is the case, then the 213t must be incredibly good, since the 2001fp is excellent.

Regarding the grid pattern: when I look very closely, I can see that the pixel borders on the 2001fp are a tiny bit thicker than the borders on the 2000fp, but that's not at all noticeable when viewing from a normal distance. I
wouldn't have noticed it at all if I hadn't read about it.

By the way, I run the monitor at 1600x1200 DVI using a dual DVI video card with two Silicon Image TMDS chips. I haven't tried analog or any other resolution.
 

DogbertFuz

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I just compared the 213T to the 2001FP. I own a 213T and my friend just bought the 2001FP.

I think the quality is good, but some manufacturing issues makes it much less appealing. Specifically, the probelms with the DVI to a powerbook causing it to fall out of sync and turn off randomly. The quality of the pictures was good nonetheless, but he had 2 dead pixels. Samsung in my experience has much higher QC. I have assembled 9 laptops this week with samsung LCDs, and they all were picture perfect. (0 dead pixels)


In any case, if you are thinking between a 213T and a 2001FP, I would DEFINATELY go with the 213T simply for quality construction and manufacturing. (samsung makes the best LCDs today)

On value, the 2001FP makes an absolute HUGE difference. Its simply $400 cheaper and its a great monitor. Good luck guys.
 

ShoNuff

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Originally posted by: DogbertFuz
I just compared the 213T to the 2001FP. I own a 213T and my friend just bought the 2001FP.

I think the quality is good, but some manufacturing issues makes it much less appealing. Specifically, the probelms with the DVI to a powerbook causing it to fall out of sync and turn off randomly. The quality of the pictures was good nonetheless, but he had 2 dead pixels. Samsung in my experience has much higher QC. I have assembled 9 laptops this week with samsung LCDs, and they all were picture perfect. (0 dead pixels)


In any case, if you are thinking between a 213T and a 2001FP, I would DEFINATELY go with the 213T simply for quality construction and manufacturing. (samsung makes the best LCDs today)

On value, the 2001FP makes an absolute HUGE difference. Its simply $400 cheaper and its a great monitor. Good luck guys.

Yo Dog, what about gaming on the 213T? Any diffence between the two in that area worth noting? I really hope Kris completes his comparison between the 213T and the 2001FP soon.
 

happybob

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alright, here's my brief comparison of the planar pl201m vs dell 2001fp, specifically regarding issues that have been brought up. my dell 2001fp is an oct. 2003 model, connected to an ati 9700pro all in wonder thru DVI.

1. graininess: dell indeed appears slightly grainier than the planar. this is due to the grid pattern of the anti-reflective coating. the coating on the planar shows slightly smaller grids than the dell, therefore less noticeable. however if you look up close, you can clearly see grids on both lcd. i also have a planar px191, a newer model, which shows similar grid pattern as the dell. overall, i think the grid pattern is not that big a deal, you won't notice it that much unless you are less than 5 inches away from the screen.

2. dead pixels: mine has none. www.monitorsdirect.com has an online monitor tool for you the test out your monitor. i didn't see any dead pixels or sub-pixels on mine.

3. white spot (bleeding/leaking of light on top): mine does have the light leakage on the top of the screen like everyone else. it's minor, but it's there. it does vary with the brightness setting of the monitor. if you turn the brightness level all the way down to zero, the bleeding/leakage effect becomes less noticeable, but it does not go away completely. i looked at both of my planars, neither of them show the same effect, i abosultely couldn't see any leakage. you don't need to play a dvd in order to see this effect, simply set your desktop background color to black, and it's there on top of the screen.

4. color: the dell 2001fp indeed has very saturated and vibrant color at default setting. color is more saturated compared to my planar pl201m. however, i'm not sure if it's more accurate. both of my planar monitors were calibrated with an "eye-one" monitor calibrating device. since I don't have the "eye-one" with me anymore, i couldn't calibrate the dell. I don't think the color on the dell is accurate at default setting, but i'm sure you can calibrate it easily.

5. features: dell 2001fp wins in terms of features. it has s-video, composite video, dvi, vga, usb, and sound, more features than you'll need. it also offers picture in picture. dell beats everything in terms of features.

6. response time: even though the dell has 16ms response time vs the planar's 25ms, i really couldn't tell much difference in terms of ghosting. both don't really have significant ghosting. but i'm not a hard core gamer. if you use the tool on monitorsdirect.com to testing for ghosting, you won't see too much of a difference.

7. look: i think the dell looks better, i also like the pivoting option.

i was planning on selling my planar pl201m on ebay for around $650 and upgrade to dell 2001fp. after the comparison, i'm not quite convinced that it's an worthwhile upgrade. I paid $818 after tax for the dell, and it's definitely not worth $168 more than the planar. also i can not stand the fact that an $800 lcd monitor has a light leakage problem on the top. therefore i've already requested a RMA on the monitor, it's going back on Monday.

hope this helps. during dell's promotion, 2001fp and planar pl201m usually cost around the same, in that case i would probably get the dell. however, if the price difference is more than $100 between the 2, i would definitely get the planar.

 

imported_Ziggy

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For people with the dancing pixel problem, try clicking reduce frequency for high res. displays in the graphics card options area. Someone else had this same problem and did that and he thinks it fixed it. My 9800 pro was doing that occasionally, hopefully this fixes it.

Does anyone know exactally what that does? Does it reduce image quality?
 

visualguy

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Ok, I finally got a chance to compare the 2001FP side-by-side with the 213T. Both are superb monitors, but each has its strengths and weaknesses when compared to the other.

The 2001FP displays somewhat sharper text with cleartype than the 213T. This may be a result of the higher DPI of the 2001FP. The 2001FP is also much brighter than the 213T. A brightness setting of 20/100 on the 2001FP is equivalent to a brightness setting of 60/100 on the 213T. Another advantage of the 2001FP is that it has higher-quality buttons. The buttons on the 213T are really flimsy. The older 2000FP was built like a tank. Neither the 2001FP nor the 213T is like that.

The strongest aspect of the 213T, on the other hand, is that it displays more accurate colors and it is better at showing shades of color. It is the better choice for working with pictures. Also, the 213T doesn't suffer from the slight "graininess" of the 2001FP. On the other hand, the 213T that I looked at had a somewhat annoying problem where some flicker was noticeable for a few minutes until the unit warmed up, and then this flicker would go away. This was particularly noticeable on large windows with a white background. It was similar to the flicker that you see when you look at a fluorescent light.

Overall, I like both monitors. They're both great, but neither one is perfect.
 

peterpro

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wierdage?

I just got a wierd thing with the lcd.

the screen had all this noise (green red pure colors like a bad signal or something.

turn it off turn it on.. it goes away.

windows reported a usb power surge, so i unplugged my usb from the monitor.. seems the problem went away.

so i think my usb was giving power surges to the monitor.

anyone else have an issue with that?

thanks
peter

no damage to the monitor it seems

plays unreal in 1280 x 1024 really sweet, alittle bit of tearing when in 1600x1200 mode.
radoen 9800 pro aiw card out putting.

I do see the grid lines. much more noticable than say the apple cinema views


pete
 

sfh325

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Originally posted by: frangus
My screen did the red pixel dance once. It went away after I turned off the monitor and turned it back on.

I have the pixel dance problem. its bad, real bad. i get shimmering red pixels glittering all about my screen. not sure if its the monitor or if it could be the video card? 8500 pro in dvi mode. aaarrrggghh
 

imported_Ziggy

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For people with the dancing pixel problem, try clicking reduce frequency for high res. displays in the graphics card options area. Someone else had this same problem and did that and he thinks it fixed it. My 9800 pro was doing that occasionally, hopefully this fixes it.
 

peterpro

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pixel dance problem went away when i unplugged hub.

windows reported a power surge in the hub.

so dont know what thats about, but related to usb for sure
 

sfh325

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hmm I have yet to plug in my usb hub. so dont think thats the problem. I will try the reduce frequecy trick tonight, thanks! if that doesnt solve it guess i will be returning it!
 

Big Lar

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OK, I stated I would leave a comment on mine when I received it, well I am reading off it now,
Clearness/ Grain, whatever you want to label it as, yes, it's there, but as I sit with my eyeballs around 28 to 30"s away, its not a problem for me, tho I Can see where it would bother people if they use it closer than I.
Dead Pixels, I am still searching, but as of yet, I see none.
Settings, I am running with the fatory presets for now, on DVI, behind a Leadtek Ultra, and the factory settings so far are pretty good, I don't see the " Too Bright " aspect, as others have before me, it's just a nice clear bright LCD.
Heat, I have had it up and running for perhaps an hour, and feel very little heat when holding hands over the top of the units fins.
**Gaming, I havn't done that yet, but will edit this right after I run a bit of COD.**EDIT: OK, I did notice a bit of wierdness, which I will call it for lack of a better description, in 1024/768, however at 1280/1024, the game looks great. Monitor does throw more heat off now tho, but still not as much as a crt. I'm happy with the monitor, and saw absolutely No Ghosting **
Date of Manufacture is Oct. 2003 B9D
I only have the Power plugged in and Dvi, nothing else, but so far I am very happy with the unit, It's Big, and very clear. Just not used to 1600/1200, as my Viewsonic VG191B was only 1280/1024
 

pprior

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Just a f/u. I received my second 2001FP. It is 10/03 build. It has no dead pixels and very little light spill issue. After using both of them now for several days I no longer notice the light leakage at all. Overall it's a non-issue for me. If you watch DVDs with dark scenes and are super picky I suppose it might be an issue, but I'm VERY happy with mine and the two side by side look sweet.

Now I just need to find out how to do the portrait mode with my 9700Pro ATI card.

Also, I highly recommend the monitorsdirect.com link above for LCD testing. If you have a monitor that can do full screen mode (I use opera) then it makes it very easy to do pixel testing.

 

imported_Ziggy

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Go to rage3d.com, downlkoad their program, it's not that hard from there.

It will slow down the computer a bit. I use Mozilla, and its almost not noticable in Mozilla. Internet explorer runs pretty badly, though. It looks Really cool like that.
 

Entropism

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Looks like I was the last to get in on the deal before it died, got mine yesterday. 3 dead pixels, and I have to SERIOUSLY hunt for them on a white background. LOVING this monitor!
 

audscott

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Originally posted by: Entropism
Looks like I was the last to get in on the deal before it died, got mine yesterday. 3 dead pixels, and I have to SERIOUSLY hunt for them on a white background. LOVING this monitor!

After reading so many negative comments, I almost felt compelled to hate my 2001FP.....but I just cant. :frown:

No dead pixels, colors are great, gaming is great, no light problem (Oct '03 build).

What's an Anandtecher to do?
 
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