DEAD DEAL: DELL UltraSharp 2000FP 20-inch Flat Panel LCD Monitor for $799 or lower...

[RocketsFan]

Originally posted by: RocketsFan
Ok, I, too have the "In Transit" status listed as my order status. I decided to dial 1-877-773-3355 and use their automated tracking feature. The automated tracking feature gave me a waybill number for Airborne Express. According to that, my package was picked up by Airborne Express and is on its way and I can track it online. Should probably be here sometime tomorrow I guess. Like I said, I ordered the 2000FP at around 1-2am (CST) on Dec. 11. I also used 2nd day delivery. Woo hoo... can't wait!

Well, mine finally did come in as expected via Dell's tracking. I got it via Airborne. I'll probably hook it up tonight. Thanks for the info and the thread itself guys. Hopefully I won't have any dead pixels.

 

[lamchop9]

I feel like a dog wagging his tail waiting for the mailman.

 

[huesmann]

Mine's listed on the Dell site as "Status: In Transit To Local Carrier" but according to Airborne it's already been delivered, and a co-worker signed for it. I'll get it on Monday.

 

[LoverBoyJ]

Originally posted by: Braxus
Ugh... getting sick of a renter that rents a room in our house.

Just look what I had to sign for today when the UPS guy arrived!

http://www.vgmusic.com/personal/braxus/e171fp.jpg

I think it's actually his job to hoard stuff and resell it. It's these people that make me sick. Feel like going to the places where he resells his stuff and tell everyone where to get the deals. The pic has all the 17 inch versions but I think he probably has some 2000FPs comming as well. Thing that bugs me the most is that I have to always sign and bring in the packages (at times, larger shipments than the ones in that pic).

Oh well... prolly should have gone into Brag and Moan but I'm lazy to click it.

Hate dem lurkers/leechers

::waits for his 2000FP to arrive that he will actually be using.::

You should charge him storage room space for all that stuff!!

 

[bbrontosaurus]

Gotta quick question...anyone tried playing counterstrike with the 2000FP? If so, what video mode do you have it set to? I tried OpenGL with 1600X1200, looks great, but when I move around it gets kinda blurry. However, if I use 1024X768, I don't see any of this bluriness!! Sorry for the noob question, but is this blurriness I see ghosting? If so, does it get worse with increasing the resolution (like i did in counterstrike)? I don't see any ghosting when moving my mouse around in XP, scrolling down webpages, etc....

TIA

 

[boa]

well I just got them and set up one of 'em.
It is a good bit bigger than the 19"s and it actually is a very little bit of heat coming out of the top.
I have been playing Serious Sam at 1600x1200 at 60Hz on the analog line and it is very, very good. Much better than the 19".

Overall, I am very pleased with the monitor. Now I've just got to figure out how to make the text larger w/ the 1600x1200 mode and w2k

 

[IgoByte]

I'ce been playing Medal of Honor: Allied Assault for some time on this one, and it looks really great. Can't wait for the 9700Pro to arrive.

 

[CyOp]

bbrontosaurus

What you describe sounds like 'ghosting'. I have not even tested mine yet, so I cannot really say more than that at this point.

 

[ksfhhllp]

Originally posted by: Braxus
Ugh... getting sick of a renter that rents a room in our house.

Just look what I had to sign for today when the UPS guy arrived!

http://www.vgmusic.com/personal/braxus/e171fp.jpg

I think it's actually his job to hoard stuff and resell it. It's these people that make me sick. Feel like going to the places where he resells his stuff and tell everyone where to get the deals. The pic has all the 17 inch versions but I think he probably has some 2000FPs comming as well. Thing that bugs me the most is that I have to always sign and bring in the packages (at times, larger shipments than the ones in that pic).

Oh well... prolly should have gone into Brag and Moan but I'm lazy to click it.

Hate dem lurkers/leechers

::waits for his 2000FP to arrive that he will actually be using.::

Holy $hit...

IgoByte... how can the 2000fp have 50% more real estate than the 1900fp?
You're making me feel bad about my 19"...

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: ksfhhllp

Originally posted by: Braxus
Ugh... getting sick of a renter that rents a room in our house.

Just look what I had to sign for today when the UPS guy arrived!

http://www.vgmusic.com/personal/braxus/e171fp.jpg

I think it's actually his job to hoard stuff and resell it. It's these people that make me sick. Feel like going to the places where he resells his stuff and tell everyone where to get the deals. The pic has all the 17 inch versions but I think he probably has some 2000FPs comming as well. Thing that bugs me the most is that I have to always sign and bring in the packages (at times, larger shipments than the ones in that pic).

Oh well... prolly should have gone into Brag and Moan but I'm lazy to click it.

Hate dem lurkers/leechers

::waits for his 2000FP to arrive that he will actually be using.::

Holy $hit...

IgoByte... how can the 2000fp have 50% more real estate than the 1900fp?
You're making me feel bad about my 19"...

1600X1200 / (1280X1024) = 147% pixels --> 47% more pixels

 

[ksfhhllp]

When I think of real estate, I think actual physical screen space, not resolution... I mean, yeah, I can run the 1900 at 1600, although it probably wouldn't look good...

So it's 50% more by resolution, not physical measurements, right?

Mchammer187, were Mchammer0 through Mchammer 186 taken? Heh.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: ksfhhllp
When I think of real estate, I think actual physical screen space, not resolution... I mean, yeah, I can run the 1900 at 1600, although it probably wouldn't look good...

So it's 50% more by resolution, not physical measurements, right?

Mchammer187, were Mchammer0 through Mchammer 186 taken? Heh.

The increase in physical size is about 11%.

Viper GTS

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: ksfhhllp
When I think of real estate, I think actual physical screen space, not resolution... I mean, yeah, I can run the 1900 at 1600, although it probably wouldn't look good...

So it's 50% more by resolution, not physical measurements, right?

Mchammer187, were Mchammer0 through Mchammer 186 taken? Heh.

LCD's are different than CRTs because you always want to run at its native resolution because scaling can look horrible

IMO with most LCDs even if you go 1 down in res than it will look like complete ass

though this one does 1280x1024 well cant say the same for 1024

and comparing this to a 19" LCD the size is about 20^2/ 19^2 = 111 % the screen size of a 19 " LCD


17.8 is the viewable area for most 19" CRT monitors

vs a traditional CRT the screen size is 20^2/ 17.8^2(approx) = 126 % the size of a 19" CRT monitor

native res is very important for LCD's because there is physically 1 dot on the LCD per pixel displayed via DVI

no one would get this monitor obviously if its native res was 640x480

and there is no way you can display 2 web pages side by side at 640x480 also

also the 1900 FP has a max res of 1280x1024

 

[Yo2]

Originally posted by: ksfhhllp
When I think of real estate, I think actual physical screen space, not resolution... I mean, yeah, I can run the 1900 at 1600, although it probably wouldn't look good...

So it's 50% more by resolution, not physical measurements, right?

Mchammer187, were Mchammer0 through Mchammer 186 taken? Heh.

As pointed out below the visible area is about 11% larger, however he has a point, in that IF you can see well enough at 1600x1200 you will gain 47% space. This is quite substantial, since I guess it would allow you to really put two pages side by side (e.g for editing or surfing and writing, etc.)

Yo

 

[bbrontosaurus]

Originally posted by: CyOp
bbrontosaurus

What you describe sounds like 'ghosting'. I have not even tested mine yet, so I cannot really say more than that at this point.

Hello, thanks for the reply...I want to clarify, perhaps that will help. When I say I see blurriness (running 1600X1200 resolution in OpenGl), it's almost like sitting in the front row of a movie theater screen. It's like I can't really focus on the motion, that is, the motion closest to me. However, if I stare in the background of the Counterstrike game (ie, look at a distant object in the game itself and move my mouse around), I don't get this blurriness. Hopefully that makes sense. Can someone tell me of a good way to check for ghosting in Counterstrike? Like I said, 1024X768 seems perfect! Specs of my machine:

Dimension 4550
P4 2.4 Ghz
Ti4200 o'ced to 290/570 (connected to the 2000FP with a DVI connection)
512 mb of PC2700 RAM

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: bbrontosaurus

Originally posted by: CyOp
bbrontosaurus

What you describe sounds like 'ghosting'. I have not even tested mine yet, so I cannot really say more than that at this point.

Hello, thanks for the reply...I want to clarify, perhaps that will help. When I say I see blurriness (running 1600X1200 resolution in OpenGl), it's almost like sitting in the front row of a movie theater screen. It's like I can't really focus on the motion, that is, the motion closest to me. However, if I stare in the background of the Counterstrike game (ie, look at a distant object in the game itself and move my mouse around), I don't get this blurriness. Hopefully that makes sense. Can someone tell me of a good way to check for ghosting in Counterstrike? Like I said, 1024X768 seems perfect! Specs of my machine:

Dimension 4550
P4 2.4 Ghz
Ti4200 o'ced to 290/570
512 mb of PC2700 RAM

are you using DVI?

i dont observe any ghosting but i was on a VG150 that did ghost a little on CS and i guess i got used to it

when i asked my roomate who has a Dell P991 i think 19" Triniton monitor if he noticed any ghosting at 1600x1200 he said no also

 

[bbrontosaurus]

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: bbrontosaurus

Originally posted by: CyOp
bbrontosaurus

What you describe sounds like 'ghosting'. I have not even tested mine yet, so I cannot really say more than that at this point.

Hello, thanks for the reply...I want to clarify, perhaps that will help. When I say I see blurriness (running 1600X1200 resolution in OpenGl), it's almost like sitting in the front row of a movie theater screen. It's like I can't really focus on the motion, that is, the motion closest to me. However, if I stare in the background of the Counterstrike game (ie, look at a distant object in the game itself and move my mouse around), I don't get this blurriness. Hopefully that makes sense. Can someone tell me of a good way to check for ghosting in Counterstrike? Like I said, 1024X768 seems perfect! Specs of my machine:

Dimension 4550
P4 2.4 Ghz
Ti4200 o'ced to 290/570
512 mb of PC2700 RAM

are you using DVI?

i dont observe any ghosting but i was on a VG150 that did ghost a little on CS and i guess i got used to it

when i asked my roomate who has a Dell P991 i think 19" Triniton monitor if he noticed any ghosting at 1600x1200 he said no also

Thanks for the response....yup, I'm using a DVI connection. I'm wondering if i'm just not used to gaming in 1600X1200 on a 20 inch screen. Again, it really feels like I'm sitting at the front row of movie theater screen....like I'm trying to focus on the movement. Also, are there any type of break-in procedures, or is that just a myth?

 

[bbrontosaurus]

Originally posted by: bbrontosaurus

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: bbrontosaurus

Originally posted by: CyOp
bbrontosaurus

What you describe sounds like 'ghosting'. I have not even tested mine yet, so I cannot really say more than that at this point.

Hello, thanks for the reply...I want to clarify, perhaps that will help. When I say I see blurriness (running 1600X1200 resolution in OpenGl), it's almost like sitting in the front row of a movie theater screen. It's like I can't really focus on the motion, that is, the motion closest to me. However, if I stare in the background of the Counterstrike game (ie, look at a distant object in the game itself and move my mouse around), I don't get this blurriness. Hopefully that makes sense. Can someone tell me of a good way to check for ghosting in Counterstrike? Like I said, 1024X768 seems perfect! Specs of my machine:

Dimension 4550
P4 2.4 Ghz
Ti4200 o'ced to 290/570
512 mb of PC2700 RAM

are you using DVI?

i dont observe any ghosting but i was on a VG150 that did ghost a little on CS and i guess i got used to it

when i asked my roomate who has a Dell P991 i think 19" Triniton monitor if he noticed any ghosting at 1600x1200 he said no also

Thanks for the response....yup, I'm using a DVI connection. I'm wondering if i'm just not used to gaming in 1600X1200 on a 20 inch screen. Again, it really feels like I'm sitting at the front row of movie theater screen....like I'm trying to focus on the movement. Also, are there any type of break-in procedures, or is that just a myth?

mchammer187, can you give me a specific example of something in CounterStrike that I can test out to see if there is any ghosting? I think I may not be familar with the term....what do I look for?

 

[bbrontosaurus]

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: bbrontosaurus

Originally posted by: CyOp
bbrontosaurus

What you describe sounds like 'ghosting'. I have not even tested mine yet, so I cannot really say more than that at this point.

Hello, thanks for the reply...I want to clarify, perhaps that will help. When I say I see blurriness (running 1600X1200 resolution in OpenGl), it's almost like sitting in the front row of a movie theater screen. It's like I can't really focus on the motion, that is, the motion closest to me. However, if I stare in the background of the Counterstrike game (ie, look at a distant object in the game itself and move my mouse around), I don't get this blurriness. Hopefully that makes sense. Can someone tell me of a good way to check for ghosting in Counterstrike? Like I said, 1024X768 seems perfect! Specs of my machine:

Dimension 4550
P4 2.4 Ghz
Ti4200 o'ced to 290/570
512 mb of PC2700 RAM

are you using DVI?

i dont observe any ghosting but i was on a VG150 that did ghost a little on CS and i guess i got used to it

when i asked my roomate who has a Dell P991 i think 19" Triniton monitor if he noticed any ghosting at 1600x1200 he said no also

Oops, forgot to ask, are your anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering on when you are playing?? I have both of these on: anti-aliasing at 4X and anisotropic filtering at the highest. Running the 41.09 drivers from nvidia.

 

[future]

Got FP2000 delivered today.
Here are couple of personal observations, comments are welcome.
This is a little personal review in comparison to my 21" Sony Trinitron CRT:
+ Geometry and focus are perfect.
+ No glare (didn't have any with my CRT as well since I use "Computer light" lamp- highly recommended!)
+ Desktop apps look better and easier on the eyes.
* Color reproduction appears to be roughly the same (I would have to do side by side test when I get dualhead video card), but pictures look a bit better having "printed-like" appearance
* Divx movies look about the same.
- Games have very little visible lag, no ghosting, but fast moving detailed objects are washing out a bit. Gaming with resolutions down to 1024x768 looks great, so scaling works fine with games, no need to get the best video card just to play in native 1600x1200.
- A real drawback of the monitor for me is that after color calibration, black color is not completely black, but dark grey so viewing pages like http://www.dpreview.com with black background, pictures and other "supposed to be black" stuff would disappoint perfectionist like myself.
I have to mention that I have FP2000 connected with analog VGA, not DVI. Video card is Geforce 3.
Could not see any washing out or artifacts that some people report using analog with LCDs at high resolutions (1600x1200).

FP2000 itself

FP2000 in front of HP1120 21" CRT

 

[Halcyon98]

Grey blacks are a problem inherent in LCD technology. If you look at the color saturation on an LCD vs. a CRT, you are always going to have better colors on the CRT monitor, though you will lack the clarity of an LCD. The higher your contrast ratio spec on the monitor, the better your blacks should be while colors need to be calibrated to look right and even then, will probably not be as rich as a CRT.

I agree with your comment that scaling looks perfectly fine on this monitor. Not crystal clear, but since the resolution is so high, the monitor is able to scale the resolutions to make them pretty damn clear. 1024x768 on this monitor and below will probly still look better than any CRT IMO. So if anyone thinks the reason not to get this is based on, "this won't look good running at lower res and I can't see anything at 1600x1200", think again. It looks fine. One of the beauties of having a strong scaler in a monitor. This was NOT true on my laptop monitor with 1600x1200 @ 15" and made me go blind. Any lower res made the screen look comletely horrible.

 

[Lizardman]

bbrontosaurus

how close is the monitor physically in front on you? Maybe try backing it up a bit.

 

[taoofbean]

Is there a way to check order status on the weekends with Dell? I called one of the 1800 numbers but it said they were closed. I am concerned because my order has been in processing since Tuesday, while a large chunk of you folks have already received yours. I hate bugging them needlessly but order processing should only take a moment and I would like to know what the deal is.

Ishmael

Edit: Nevermind, I got an email response from email customer support saying my order was on hold. Incredible, don't they ever notify people of things like that? They said the only one who could alleviate the situation was my account represenative, who doesn't work weekends of course. Ack, amazing how waiting kills the buzz of a good deal. I sure hope they will give me free overnight for this.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: bbrontosaurus

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: bbrontosaurus

Originally posted by: CyOp
bbrontosaurus

What you describe sounds like 'ghosting'. I have not even tested mine yet, so I cannot really say more than that at this point.

Hello, thanks for the reply...I want to clarify, perhaps that will help. When I say I see blurriness (running 1600X1200 resolution in OpenGl), it's almost like sitting in the front row of a movie theater screen. It's like I can't really focus on the motion, that is, the motion closest to me. However, if I stare in the background of the Counterstrike game (ie, look at a distant object in the game itself and move my mouse around), I don't get this blurriness. Hopefully that makes sense. Can someone tell me of a good way to check for ghosting in Counterstrike? Like I said, 1024X768 seems perfect! Specs of my machine:

Dimension 4550
P4 2.4 Ghz
Ti4200 o'ced to 290/570
512 mb of PC2700 RAM

are you using DVI?

i dont observe any ghosting but i was on a VG150 that did ghost a little on CS and i guess i got used to it

when i asked my roomate who has a Dell P991 i think 19" Triniton monitor if he noticed any ghosting at 1600x1200 he said no also

Oops, forgot to ask, are your anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering on when you are playing?? I have both of these on: anti-aliasing at 4X and anisotropic filtering at the highest. Running the 41.09 drivers from nvidia.

i am thinking your TI4200 cant handle AF and AA and 4 X AA at that res

it takes a major penalty when both are enabled

i would try without it

IMO you dont need AA at 1600 anyway and i have a radeon 8500 so the performance penalty for AF pretty much nothing

 

[TimeTrip]

Originally posted by: taoofbean
Is there a way to check order status on the weekends with Dell? I called one of the 1800 numbers but it said they were closed. I am concerned because my order has been in processing since Tuesday, while a large chunk of you folks have already received yours. I hate bugging them needlessly but order processing should only take a moment and I would like to know what the deal is.

Yes.. call 1-877-773-3355... and when they ask for a #.. use your customer #, not your order #. This will forward you to the SB section. Then from those menus you can enter in your order # and get the shipping number if it shipped (worked for me). If you enter the order number at the first prompt, you will hear this "The number you have called is a non-working Dell number. Please hang up and call 1-800-822-8965".