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arx

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Feb 26, 2003
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There's a part of me that wants to say that I'm surprised people are being such pricks about what was obviously a pricing error... But then I remember that we've seen this time and time before... A company makes a mistake, and the deal community (or at least a fraction thereof) is ready to pounce on the lawsuits. I have a few problems with all that's been posted here:

a) This was obviously a pricing mistake. Anyone that went into this deal thinking it was a _legitimate_price_reduction_ doesn't have their head squarely attached to their body. And if they do... I'm thinking they're really flexible, as that head must be stuck somewhere particularly aromatic. When something is so obviously a pricing error, you can't expect that they're really going to fill all those orders and take a horrific loss on the transactions...Even if it's negative PR (which I'll return to later).

b) Some have said that if this happened in a B&M store, they would have honored all the prices, and wouldn't have cancelled orders. This is just hilarious. Of course it wouldn't happen in a brick and mortar store. The dynamics are _completely_different_. If I was walking through a store that had a "priced as marked" policy, and I found a 17" flatscreen marked at $3.99, there's a chance that they'd honor it, figuring that someone screwed up in printing $3.99 instead of $399. But you can bet your hindquarters that they'd be back there in a heartbeat to fix that problem. That doesn't happen online, because humans aren't involved on the selling side of the transaction. We know this as the rule that you don't _call_ to confirm deals, because as soon as you do, the deal is over for those who didn't get in before you alerted them to the mistake. So you expect dell to put alerts on their site to tell them when things are selling too well? God forbid they might have a good day and move a lot of a given unit... Yes, this is different... Yes, they probably should have caught it earlier... But they didn't. Deal with it.

c) So you called and had to deal with an angry/frustrated CSR... I wonder why they were frustrated... I bet it was because the previous 10 calls they'd received that day were from pricks who were trying to argue with them and threaten them with lawsuits over a pricing error. I guess I'm just willing to bet that those of you who called in weren't the nicest, and if you started out nice, you rather quickly turned sour at finding they wouldn't work with you... I don't know about you, but if I'd received 10 calls in the past hour which turned from pleasant to lawsuit in just under a minute, I'd bet that the 11th caller who started out pleasant would be going to the same place. As a CSR, I'd be pissed too. Especially given that I probably wouldn't have the authorization to fix your problem anyway. I'd be the messenger, and I'd be blamed.

d) My final point... About Dell's reputation... I've bought many things from Dell. The vast majority of them have been their normal price. A few times I've gotten in on decent deals, but never one of this magnitude. The fact that I ordered one of these systems and the order was cancelled does NOTHING to change my opinion of Dell. In my opinion, they make great systems that are extremely stable at a good price. The fact is that Dell is a smart company that isn't willing to lose money to keep from losing face in front of misers. So many of you talk about how you'll boycott Dell if this keeps up. You're kidding. If you started that, and a deal came around the next week, you know you'd be running back.

e) Ok, I have another... This isn't bait and switch. Bait and switch occurs when you _go_ someplace, find out that their teaser deal was bad, and then proceed to be upsold to something comprable (but more expensive). When I checked my order status at Dell, I'm pretty sure I don't remember seeing "Click here for a comprable deal!" If CSRs had called me and said "Oh... We can't do that deal, but for just $300 more, we can give you _this_" You might have something with your Bait and Switch Rhetoric (BS Rhetoric, now that I think of it)...

Quit your whining. It was a price error. They cancelled your order. Deal with it.
 

LevcoS

Golden Member
Oct 9, 1999
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If CSRs had called me and said "Oh... We can't do that deal, but for just $300 more, we can give you _this_" You might have something with your Bait and Switch Rhetoric (BS Rhetoric, now that I think of it)...

Er... that's EXACTLY what the email says... "We can't do that deal, but if you want to configure a similar system for a much higher price, here's the link". I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to speculate on whether that constitutes a bait and switch, but if your definition is right...

LevcoS

 

Rage187

Lifer
Dec 30, 2000
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W/ Dell deals, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.


This time we lost; get over it and get ready for our next win.
 

arx

Junior Member
Feb 26, 2003
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Ok. Cross that point off. I didn't get that email, so as far as I could see (on the Order Status cancellation page) there was no Bait and Switch. Thanks for setting me straight, LevcoS.
 

Noirish

Diamond Member
May 2, 2000
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Originally posted by: arx
There's a part of me that wants to say that I'm surprised people are being such pricks about what was obviously a pricing error... But then I remember that we've seen this time and time before... A company makes a mistake, and the deal community (or at least a fraction thereof) is ready to pounce on the lawsuits. I have a few problems with all that's been posted here:

a) This was obviously a pricing mistake. Anyone that went into this deal thinking it was a _legitimate_price_reduction_ doesn't have their head squarely attached to their body. And if they do... I'm thinking they're really flexible, as that head must be stuck somewhere particularly aromatic. When something is so obviously a pricing error, you can't expect that they're really going to fill all those orders and take a horrific loss on the transactions...Even if it's negative PR (which I'll return to later).

b) Some have said that if this happened in a B&M store, they would have honored all the prices, and wouldn't have cancelled orders. This is just hilarious. Of course it wouldn't happen in a brick and mortar store. The dynamics are _completely_different_. If I was walking through a store that had a "priced as marked" policy, and I found a 17" flatscreen marked at $3.99, there's a chance that they'd honor it, figuring that someone screwed up in printing $3.99 instead of $399. But you can bet your hindquarters that they'd be back there in a heartbeat to fix that problem. That doesn't happen online, because humans aren't involved on the selling side of the transaction. We know this as the rule that you don't _call_ to confirm deals, because as soon as you do, the deal is over for those who didn't get in before you alerted them to the mistake. So you expect dell to put alerts on their site to tell them when things are selling too well? God forbid they might have a good day and move a lot of a given unit... Yes, this is different... Yes, they probably should have caught it earlier... But they didn't. Deal with it.

c) So you called and had to deal with an angry/frustrated CSR... I wonder why they were frustrated... I bet it was because the previous 10 calls they'd received that day were from pricks who were trying to argue with them and threaten them with lawsuits over a pricing error. I guess I'm just willing to bet that those of you who called in weren't the nicest, and if you started out nice, you rather quickly turned sour at finding they wouldn't work with you... I don't know about you, but if I'd received 10 calls in the past hour which turned from pleasant to lawsuit in just under a minute, I'd bet that the 11th caller who started out pleasant would be going to the same place. As a CSR, I'd be pissed too. Especially given that I probably wouldn't have the authorization to fix your problem anyway. I'd be the messenger, and I'd be blamed.

d) My final point... About Dell's reputation... I've bought many things from Dell. The vast majority of them have been their normal price. A few times I've gotten in on decent deals, but never one of this magnitude. The fact that I ordered one of these systems and the order was cancelled does NOTHING to change my opinion of Dell. In my opinion, they make great systems that are extremely stable at a good price. The fact is that Dell is a smart company that isn't willing to lose money to keep from losing face in front of misers. So many of you talk about how you'll boycott Dell if this keeps up. You're kidding. If you started that, and a deal came around the next week, you know you'd be running back.

e) Ok, I have another... This isn't bait and switch. Bait and switch occurs when you _go_ someplace, find out that their teaser deal was bad, and then proceed to be upsold to something comprable (but more expensive). When I checked my order status at Dell, I'm pretty sure I don't remember seeing "Click here for a comprable deal!" If CSRs had called me and said "Oh... We can't do that deal, but for just $300 more, we can give you _this_" You might have something with your Bait and Switch Rhetoric (BS Rhetoric, now that I think of it)...

Quit your whining. It was a price error. They cancelled your order. Deal with it.

D@mn, what a long post.
Tell Dell to hire you.
Or are you already hired?
 

V00DOO

Diamond Member
Dec 2, 2000
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News.com reported the 4600 Dimension glitch was due to a new makeover by Dell. Better yet it looks some of us will get our order ship if it hasn't been canceled. New.com link

According to news.com
Dell reserves the right not to honor incorrect pricing or typographical errors on its site, but it often still honors orders accepted before it catches an error. Dell canceled orders placed after this error was discovered, company spokesman Lionel Menchaca said, and will contact those customers whose orders were canceled to explain why. The machine should have listed for $899.


Ops Link fixed!
New.com link
 

Originally posted by: V00DOO
News.com reported the 4600 Dimension glitch was due to a new makeover by Dell. Better yet it looks some of us will get our orders ship if it hasn't been canceled. News.com link

According to news.com
Dell reserves the right not to honor incorrect pricing or typographical errors on its site, but it often still honors orders accepted before it catches an error. Dell canceled orders placed after this error was discovered, company spokesman Lionel Menchaca said, and will contact those customers whose orders were canceled to explain why. The machine should have listed for $899.

fixed link
 

Noirish

Diamond Member
May 2, 2000
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"We'll do whatever we can to keep customers coming back," he said. "If some people get upset about it, there's not a whole lot we can do. We have to be realistic about the situation."

I think the first sentense refers to all the frequent price mistakes.
All I know is I won't be buying from Dell, they would probably alienate many would-be customers as well as a result of this glitch.
Let's face it, with the same price we can build a better system than what they usually offer.
 

missedtackle

Junior Member
Oct 9, 2003
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they would probably alienate many would-be customers as well as a result of this glitch.
Are you referring to the customers who would never buy from Dell anyway unless there's an obvious pricing error that makes the computers far cheaper than any sane market value?
 

k000

Senior member
Sep 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: orangel
Originally posted by: arx There's a part of me that wants to say that I'm surprised people are being such pricks about what was obviously a pricing error... But then I remember that we've seen this time and time before... A company makes a mistake, and the deal community (or at least a fraction thereof) is ready to pounce on the lawsuits. I have a few problems with all that's been posted here: a) This was obviously a pricing mistake. Anyone that went into this deal thinking it was a _legitimate_price_reduction_ doesn't have their head squarely attached to their body. And if they do... I'm thinking they're really flexible, as that head must be stuck somewhere particularly aromatic. When something is so obviously a pricing error, you can't expect that they're really going to fill all those orders and take a horrific loss on the transactions...Even if it's negative PR (which I'll return to later). b) Some have said that if this happened in a B&M store, they would have honored all the prices, and wouldn't have cancelled orders. This is just hilarious. Of course it wouldn't happen in a brick and mortar store. The dynamics are _completely_different_. If I was walking through a store that had a "priced as marked" policy, and I found a 17" flatscreen marked at $3.99, there's a chance that they'd honor it, figuring that someone screwed up in printing $3.99 instead of $399. But you can bet your hindquarters that they'd be back there in a heartbeat to fix that problem. That doesn't happen online, because humans aren't involved on the selling side of the transaction. We know this as the rule that you don't _call_ to confirm deals, because as soon as you do, the deal is over for those who didn't get in before you alerted them to the mistake. So you expect dell to put alerts on their site to tell them when things are selling too well? God forbid they might have a good day and move a lot of a given unit... Yes, this is different... Yes, they probably should have caught it earlier... But they didn't. Deal with it. c) So you called and had to deal with an angry/frustrated CSR... I wonder why they were frustrated... I bet it was because the previous 10 calls they'd received that day were from pricks who were trying to argue with them and threaten them with lawsuits over a pricing error. I guess I'm just willing to bet that those of you who called in weren't the nicest, and if you started out nice, you rather quickly turned sour at finding they wouldn't work with you... I don't know about you, but if I'd received 10 calls in the past hour which turned from pleasant to lawsuit in just under a minute, I'd bet that the 11th caller who started out pleasant would be going to the same place. As a CSR, I'd be pissed too. Especially given that I probably wouldn't have the authorization to fix your problem anyway. I'd be the messenger, and I'd be blamed. d) My final point... About Dell's reputation... I've bought many things from Dell. The vast majority of them have been their normal price. A few times I've gotten in on decent deals, but never one of this magnitude. The fact that I ordered one of these systems and the order was cancelled does NOTHING to change my opinion of Dell. In my opinion, they make great systems that are extremely stable at a good price. The fact is that Dell is a smart company that isn't willing to lose money to keep from losing face in front of misers. So many of you talk about how you'll boycott Dell if this keeps up. You're kidding. If you started that, and a deal came around the next week, you know you'd be running back. e) Ok, I have another... This isn't bait and switch. Bait and switch occurs when you _go_ someplace, find out that their teaser deal was bad, and then proceed to be upsold to something comprable (but more expensive). When I checked my order status at Dell, I'm pretty sure I don't remember seeing "Click here for a comprable deal!" If CSRs had called me and said "Oh... We can't do that deal, but for just $300 more, we can give you _this_" You might have something with your Bait and Switch Rhetoric (BS Rhetoric, now that I think of it)... Quit your whining. It was a price error. They cancelled your order. Deal with it.
D@mn, what a long post. Tell Dell to hire you. Or are you already hired?


Bet he is. Otherwise he seems to be wasting his time !
 

tart666

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May 18, 2002
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Originally posted by: kitkit201
if you get it, u get it if you dont, u shouldn't whine about it.. karma people!!

exactly...

do you sue the person who dropped a $100 bill and then picked it back up before you managed to snatch it, people?
 

Originally posted by: tart666
Originally posted by: kitkit201
if you get it, u get it if you dont, u shouldn't whine about it.. karma people!!

exactly...

do you sue the person who dropped a $100 bill and then picked it back up before you managed to snatch it, people?

Great analogy
 

Matrixcheck

Junior Member
Nov 19, 2001
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the thing is that if some get there orders shipped then Dell should have to honor all the orders.
that is where we can get them Legally speaking.
 

NeoHyd

Junior Member
Sep 25, 2003
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A bit of reality and to prove that it was not a PRICE MISTAKE. I Challenge to prove this a price mistake...
IT?S A CHALLENGE!!!!

I have taken into consideration only the prices which are different between the current system available now Here and the system which was available on 10/09/03


Ordered System
Pentium® 4 Processor at 2.40GHz w/800MHz front side bus
256MB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400MHz (2x128M)
Dell 2-button scroll mouse
Productivity Pack including WordPerfect and Money
40GB Value Hard Drive
48x CD-ROM Drive
No Monitor
New 128MB DDR GeForce FX 5200 Graphics Card with TV-Out and DVI
No Modem Requested
Total Price 654.00 ? 400.00 (Discount) = 254.00 ? 100.00 (Mail-in-Rebate)


To make the system comparable as current system available on line
+ 50.00 - Pentium® 4 Processor at 2.60GHz w/800MHz front side bus/ HT Technology
+100.00 - 512MB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400MHz (2x256M)
+ 30.00 - Dell Optical USB Mouse
+ 30.00 - Microsoft Worksuite® including Money
+ 70.00 - 80GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
+200.00 - 4x DVD+R+RW Drive CD-RW including Sonic RecordNow and MyDVD LE
+160.00 - 17in (16.0 viewable,.25dp)M782 CRT Monitor
- 15.00 - 64MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce4 MX Graphics Card with TV-Out and DVI
+ 30.00 - 56K PCI Data Fax Modem
========
640.00 - Price Diffrence
========


254.00 - Price of Ordered System
640.00 ? Difference between current and ordered system
========
894.00 ? Current Price [1254.00 ? 400.00 (Discount)] Look here for the current price Here
 

tart666

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May 18, 2002
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Originally posted by: Matrixcheck
the thing is that if some get there orders shipped then Dell should have to honor all the orders.
that is where we can get them Legally speaking.

can Dell recall the Fedex package? has that been done before?

anyway, I would really love to have an order number of anyone who receives one of these... asking again... pls pls pls?
 

Trompeta

Member
Jul 6, 2001
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Order Status is cancelled and I received the email saying it was cancelled but they charged my credit card and haven't credit me yet... what's up w/ that?
 

skrjones

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Aug 16, 2003
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See the funny thing is with this is not that the price was an obvious mistake but that the system had this whopping $400 reduction & a MIR of $100 too.

The system ordered for $650 and change is a fair price but a reduction is a reduction and they should have had more safeguards on the lower limit that the reduction applied to, or bump the starting price up as they have now.

What Dell are showing in perfect clarity is that the prices are either way over the top with eye catching rebates and reductions etc,

OR

they lower the prices to a sensible level and have no reductions on the units.

This time they were caught with their hands in the cookie jar and someone screwed up.
 

jimmyhaha

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Jan 7, 2001
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NeoHyd

A bit of reality and to prove that it was not a PRICE MISTAKE. I Challenge to prove this a price mistake...
IT?S A CHALLENGE!!!!

don't be a moron, Dell reserves the right not to honor incorrect pricing or typographical errors on its site. Yeah it suck, sue them ?

http://news.com.com/2100-1017_3-5089776.html


Trompeta

Order Status is cancelled and I received the email saying it was cancelled but they charged my credit card and haven't credit me yet... what's up w/ that?

That's only the pending charge. It verifies your cc a/c have enough fund/credit line for such transaction.
It will decrease your usable credit line momentarily, the pending charge will take a while to disapper.
All online transaction is like that. And u are new to this ?
 

duhh

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Jul 23, 2001
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Originally posted by: Matrixcheck
the thing is that if some get there orders shipped then Dell should have to honor all the orders.
that is where we can get them Legally speaking.

no.
not unless they charged (and you never got your product) do you have any recourse.

dont be cocks... why are you surprised the $100 computer didnt go through.

I've got a hot deal, For free, I'll stick my foot up anyone's a$$ who whines about dell bait and switching them or how they're jerks for canceling these orders or threatens a lawsuit.
 
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