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SaoFeng

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sorry guys i was away for a day and all hell broke loose at work...
well u guys got the info so you're good to go
also, Olivia Munn from G4 was there in the Dell booth. so hot....but all these IT guys had no idea who she was! haha
 

LongTimePCUser

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I just got back from the New York event.

The NFR freebees were:
Vista Ultimate SP1 - Full version.
Visual Studio 2008 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2008 Enterprise (32 & 64) "one year evaluation license"
SQL Server 2008 Community Technology Preview 5.0 32b & 64b on separate disks.
 

Winterpool

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I've just returned from the 'HEROES happen {here}' event in New York (Midtown at the Sheraton). To answer the first question on everyone's lips: Windows Vista Ultimate with Service Pack 1 was distributed as a 'promotional kit'. There's nothing in the packaging about the exact licence terms. An eight-character PIN is stuck inside the envelope: you must visit the listed website, enter the PIN, then fill in a survey. Not too long afterwards (minutes?), Microsoft emailed me a proper key for the OS. The email was fairly terse, providing the key and some general technical links -- nothing about the licence terms for this software. Having only returned a little while ago, I've not had the opportunity to try installation of course. In any case I'm saving this for the new computer I'm assembling bit by bit (come on, Intel, get out those Wolfdales!). Er, that is, if this proves to be a full version...

Windows Server 2008 Enterprise comes with a paper copy of the licence terms; it states: 'term of this licence is 365 days after you first instal and use the software'. There are separate 'physical' and 'virtual' keys (I presume you use the virtual keys for VMs you can set up -- though Hyper V won't ship until Q3). Also included were MS Visual Studio 2008 Standard and the 'Community Technology Preview 5.0' of SQL Server 2008. I'm not sure I altogether understand the situation with SQL Server 2008: it's not out yet, of course, but I don't really know what will happen to those of us with the promotional versions when it is released. We're directed to a FAQ about the event kits, but the answers don't really clarify things for me. Amusingly, the FAQ does argue that even the one-year trial 'is an exciting offer since our evaluation software typically has a 90 day term'. Really? Server trials used to be 180 days, I think?

Finally, there were trial versions of Forefront and System Centre plus a Windows Mobile 6 Developer Resource Kit.

I didn't see anything particularly noteworthy in the vendor room. Didn't get a book as at the LA event. Also should point out that we departed round 2pm, and my track (IT Pro - infrastructure) was scheduled to conclude at 4pm, so other products may have become available.
 

nordloewelabs

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just wanna add some info about the NYC event...


  • Forefront & System Center are "Limited-Time Trials" (clearly stated on the package and on the disc). they come as 1 DVD that, not surprisingly, is NFR (duh!).

    Windows Mobile is a the Developer Resource Kit. it comes with .Net Compact Framework 2.0, version 6 of the Mobile SDK, SQL Server Compact Edition and ActiveSync 4.5. the software comes in 1 DVD with no mention to Time-Limit. even though it isnt mentioned, must be NFR too.

    Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 is a full version with no Time-Limit restrictions. the package comes with a PIN number that must be submitted to MS using a URL they provide. once the PIN is submitted, the user receives an Authentication number that should be used to install the OS. DVD-1 is Vista 32bit. DVD-2 contains Windows Live services plus a 90-day trial of Live OneCare. all NFR.

    Windows Server 2008 is an interesting story.... as mentioned many times before, this is a 1-Year Evaluation copy. however, unlike "Forefront" and "System Center", neither the package nor the DVDs of WS2008 mention Time-Limit restrictions... ( ! ) according to 2 people involved with the event, it's up to the *user* to comply to the EULA and completely uninstall the OS once the 1-year evaluation period is over! so be nice and mark your calendars! DVD-1 is 32bit. DVD-2 is 64bit. both are Enterprise editions and NFR.

    SQL Server 2008 is also a 1-Year Evaluation copy. obviously, it's a CTP version given that the RTM will only be released later this year. however, the CTP can be upgraded to RTM once it ships. the upgrade will be performed using the voucher contained inside the package. DVD-1 is 32bit. DVD-2 is 64bit. both are Developer editions and NFR. my *guess* is that, you have to uninstall it too once its evaluation period is over.... neither disc mentions Time-Limit restrictions.

    Visual Studio 2008 is a Standard Edition with no Time-Limit restrictions whatsoever. yes, no funny Evaluation story here! just install it and enjoy it. it comes in one single DVD that also includes the MSDN Library.

    Tax forms were not given.... and it's unlikely that MS will mail any. a staff member told me that, because Windows Server and SQL Server are Evaluation copies, the total value of the giveaways ended up being below the taxable amount. so i *guess* noone will receive a 1099.

    T-shirts were not given away in NY. neither were Messenger Bags or the Books! damn you LA'eans!!!!!

Edit: corrections regarding Vista plus info on the book.


 

QuixoticOne

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Thanks to all who've written post-event reviews to let the rest of us know what to expect in the future.

It will be interesting to see if any of the future smaller town events substantially differ in offerings / presentations from the big city NY / LA ones.

Are the Vista discs inclusive of SP1 pre-installed? I can't remember if I read that they were or were not.

 

nordloewelabs

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Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
Are the Vista discs inclusive of SP1 pre-installed? I can't remember if I read that they were or were not.

sorry, i dont understand your question... do you want to know if the SP1 is a separate file inside the DVD that will be launched after the full installation is over; as opposed to be seamlessly integrated with Vista? i dont have any details about the nature of the Service Pack on the DVD because i havent installed the OS yet. i plan to install my Vista as a guest in a virtual machine later this week. i'll probably make a new thread to ask questions about it coz i'm a total VM n00b.

Edit: re-wording for clarity.

 

straubs

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Originally posted by: nordloewelabs

Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 is a full version with no Time-Limit restrictions. DVD-1 is Vista 32bit. DVD-2 contains Windows Live services plus a 90-day trial of Live OneCare. all NFR.

So no Vista 64-bit? Argh. That would be the only way I'd switch to Vista over XP. I have 4 GB of RAM on my desktop at home and XP64 isn't well supported with drivers.
 

nordloewelabs

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i initially reported as 32 + 64 bit in 2 discs, because i saw 2 discs in my package and i dumbly chose to assume i had gotten both versions. however, after some careful analysis, i realized that the DVD-2 actually contained Live Services and Live OneCare. can anyone else confirm that there were no 64bit Vista discs distributed in either event so far?
 

QuixoticOne

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Originally posted by: nordloewelabs
i initially reported as 32 + 64 bit in 2 discs, because i saw 2 discs in my package and i dumbly chose to assume i had gotten both versions. however, after some careful analysis, i realized that the DVD-2 actually contained Live Services and Live OneCare. can anyone else confirm that there were no 64bit Vista discs distributed in either event so far?

Here's a link where you can order 64 bit Vista install media if you don't already have it, I believe the cost is about $10 USD shipped within the USA:
http://www.microsoft.com/windo...rdermedia/default.mspx

You may run some risk of getting non-SP1 media if you immediately order from there, though, since it isn't obvious they would have already replaced their old stock of non-SP1 discs with the new ones. I'd ask for a guarantee before ordering.

Otherwise I'm sure you could download the 64 bit install disc image from MSDN / Technet / somewhere else or borrow a copy of one from a friend / colleague since you already have the license to run 64 bit Vista and all you need is the install media, it isn't a new "product" you must buy the rights to use, you just use your existing key.

It seems EXTREMELY ODD to me that MS wouldn't be distributing 64 bit media STANDARD or at least as an alternative packaging with retail Vista products.

To me 64 bit seems like one of the main advantages of Vista over XP since XP64 was really not so easy to find and was pretty expensive relatively. It is shocking that they almost bend over backwards to discourage people from getting / using it when most of the CPUs sold for the past several years in the US would work just as well with 64 bit as 32 bit vista and would get a few better security / memory expansion capabilities if they did use the 64 bit version.

Especially now that 4GB DDR2 RAM is dirt cheap in historical terms it's further odd that they're not marketing Vista 64's advantages over Vista 32 and XP 32 since it is a great opportunity to make the most of the 64 bit technology.

 

Winterpool

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Though I've little intention of installing Vista 64-bit in the near future (has driver support improved?), I thought I'd give the page QuixoticOne mentioned a try. The ordering page asks for the product key: after entering it, I obtained an error 'No Offer Found' and a big red exclamation mark. Tried three times and failed. Not sure how to interpret the error, but I suspect it's something to do with my product key (ie I don't have a licence equivalent to a full retail licence for Vista Ultimate). Or should I interpret the error literally to mean we can no longer obtain 64-bit media in this way?

Please note that I still haven't tried to instal my promotional copy of Vista Ultimate, nor have I been able to find complete licensing terms for our promotional copies. So, strictly speaking, I don't really know what I've got. I should probably just pop the dvd into a random computer and see what I see. Perhaps I'll do so at work tomorrow.

By the way has everyone read Kris's article on the E8500? He suggested possible street prices of '$299 for the E8500, $249 for the E8400'. What the...

Maybe I should be visiting Micro Centre for a $200 Q6600 after all.
 

QuixoticOne

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Re: $200 Q6600's .... I'd sure go for one of those in a heartbeat at that price; best CPU deal around if you can get in on it! I'd probably pick up another if I was near a Microcenter.

I think the Q9450's are supposed to come out around 24 march for $340ish, and they'll be in scarce supply for a while. They'll be maybe 15% faster than the Q6600's at identical clock rates, but I don't think they justify that big of a price premium on an extra 15% or so performance merit only. Their much lower power consumption is nice, though.

I'm pretty happy with my Q6600-G0 chips, and going with one of these over a Wolfdale dual for similar money is a no-brainer in favor of the quad IMHO.

Re: 64 bit media:

It has been approximately 1 year since I used that link to order a 64-bit install DVD for my first copy of Vista.

In response to your difficulties with the site I thought I'd use my key that I had previously used successfully with that site to double-check to see if I got the same error condition as you have reported.

I can now report that it seems to be presently working for me at least to the extent that I cen get to the screen after the one where I enter my product key and on that subsequent screen it offers the following options; I did not proceed further in the ordering process:

32-bit CD
If your system features a CD drive but no DVD drive, you can order Windows Vista on CD-ROM. The installation files span multiple discs, so unattended installations are not possible.

64-bit DVD
If your system features a 64-bit processor, you can take advantage of its advanced design by ordering 64-bit software media. You?ll get the same interface, features, and functions, but you?ll get them in an operating system that takes advantage of access to vastly more memory. All installation files are on a single disc. Please note that 64-bit media is included in the box with the purchase of Windows Vista Ultimate. The 64-bit version of Windows Vista is not for everyone. Please confirm that your system, applications, and devices are compatible with a 64-bit edition of Windows Vista before installing. Learn more about the 64-bit editions of Windows Vista.

Please choose the appropriate media for your system.
Part Description Language Media Price (USD)
Windows Vista Business 32-bit CD - English English 32 bit CD $9.95
Windows Vista Business 64-bit DVD - English English 64 bit DVD $9.95
The price displayed above includes standard shipping and handling. An additional fee applies for expedited shipping, if selected.

I thought that perhaps their e-commerce site might be having temporary problems, which is still a possibility.

It is also possible that you're having a browser incompatibility with their site. I would make sure that cookies are enabled for all ".microsoft.com" subdomain sites, and that all forms of javascript / active scripting are enabled for it.

It is certainly possible that there is something unique about your product key type that makes it not operate with the site's ordering process. I would be shocked to see that it was a "license type" problem since I would certainly think that Microsoft would want to be promoting Vista 64 just as heavily as Vista 32 (or moreso) to the IT expert / developer / enthusiast community that these events are supposed to attract.
Certainly for all retail licenses of Vista AFAIK your key does entitle you to run either 32 or 64 bit versions.

For OEM versions corresponding to OEMs OTHER THAN Microsoft, I conjecture that they may perhaps not offer this upgrade through Microsoft, but would have a corresponding avenue for the OEM (HP, Dell, Compaq, whatever) to offer 64 bit install discs to their customers.

Perhaps since you just newly registered your "PIN" code and got the key from the automated system it is possible that the key you got isn't in their general database yet because it was only recently generated. Perhaps in another few days it will be possible for you to use this site to order 64 bit media.

I assume you did enter in the correct product key to the site, but I'll mention it just to clarify the last possible detail -- you did (a) enter the KEY and not the PIN, and (b) you didn't make a typo in the key or the CAPTCHA on the key screen, right?

Anyway if you're in technet / MSDN I am sure you can just download the 64 bit ISO image of Vista 64 Install. I'm sure you could also get it from someone that already has the install disc too....; there's no EULA I've ever seen to suggest that ANY valid Microsoft originated Vista 32 key isn't also valid for Vista 64. It is just bizarre that their site didn't work (for now anyway) for you.

Maybe someone else who got Ultimarte from the HHH event can try their key in the 64 bit media site and see if it works for them.

I assume that they didn't do something funny and make a double-layered DVD for these and include the 64 bit install image in some obscure directory or whatever?

Originally posted by: Winterpool
Though I've little intention of installing Vista 64-bit in the near future (has driver support improved?), I thought I'd give the page QuixoticOne mentioned a try. The ordering page asks for the product key: after entering it, I obtained an error 'No Offer Found' and a big red exclamation mark. Tried three times and failed. Not sure how to interpret the error, but I suspect it's something to do with my product key (ie I don't have a licence equivalent to a full retail licence for Vista Ultimate). Or should I interpret the error literally to mean we can no longer obtain 64-bit media in this way?

Please note that I still haven't tried to instal my promotional copy of Vista Ultimate, nor have I been able to find complete licensing terms for our promotional copies. So, strictly speaking, I don't really know what I've got. I should probably just pop the dvd into a random computer and see what I see. Perhaps I'll do so at work tomorrow.

By the way has everyone read Kris's article on the E8500? He suggested possible street prices of '$299 for the E8500, $249 for the E8400'. What the...

Maybe I should be visiting Micro Centre for a $200 Q6600 after all.

 

straubs

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Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
It seems EXTREMELY ODD to me that MS wouldn't be distributing 64 bit media STANDARD or at least as an alternative packaging with retail Vista products.

To me 64 bit seems like one of the main advantages of Vista over XP since XP64 was really not so easy to find and was pretty expensive relatively. It is shocking that they almost bend over backwards to discourage people from getting / using it when most of the CPUs sold for the past several years in the US would work just as well with 64 bit as 32 bit vista and would get a few better security / memory expansion capabilities if they did use the 64 bit version.

Especially now that 4GB DDR2 RAM is dirt cheap in historical terms it's further odd that they're not marketing Vista 64's advantages over Vista 32 and XP 32 since it is a great opportunity to make the most of the 64 bit technology.

Preach on, brotha!. 64-bit is the ONLY reason I'd move to Vista.
 

Genx87

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Does the version of 08 they give you have the ability to install the Hyper V role? I understand the official release is supposed to be over the summer but was under the impression the beta version was shipping with 08.
 

nordloewelabs

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Originally posted by: QuixoticOne
I assume that they didn't do something funny and make a double-layered DVD for these and include the 64 bit install image in some obscure directory or whatever?
very unlikely.... the printing on the Vista Ultimate DVD says "This disc contains 32 bit software only."
 

StormRider

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Olivia Munn was there? So hot and with a great sense of humor from what I can tell on Attack of the Show.
 

QuixoticOne

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Does the version of 08 they give you have the ability to install the Hyper V role? I understand the official release is supposed to be over the summer but was under the impression the beta version was shipping with 08.

Here you go, enjoy. Not a 1 year license, but enough to play with before you get one from HHH.

Windows Server 2008 Release Candidate 1 Enterprise with Hyper-V Beta
This time-limited release of Windows Server® 2008 Release Candidate will expire on June 30, 2008. After this time, you will need to uninstall the software or upgrade to a later release or a fully-licensed version of Windows Server® 2008.
http://www.microsoft.com/downl...b354919&DisplayLang=en
 

SaoFeng

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Originally posted by: StormRider
Olivia Munn was there? So hot and with a great sense of humor from what I can tell on Attack of the Show.

yes, VERY HOT and very funny....she was acting just like herself on the show. very nice girl
 

JBT

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Any one ever figure out a way to receive the 64bit version? I have no intent on installing the 32bit version I received from the Phoenix show. The web site for ordering media say "No offer found" when I try to submit my key
 

Winterpool

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I was the fellow trying to follow QuixoticOne's instructions for obtaining a 64-bit copy last month. Never did get that to work. Again, I'm not sure what privileges the free copies allow: I'm not confident that it's truly equivalent to a retail licence. I'll probably be installing 64-bit Vista Ultimate from TechNet Plus in any case.
 
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