*DEAD* Intel NAS Server w/ Intel Celeron 420 1.6GHz, DDR2 & eSATA - $135

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SoulAssassin

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will this thing boot without any drives in it? I get a bunch of flashing blue lights and then the power button goes orange. It doesn't look like it's grabbing an IP from the router/dhcp server. I don't have drives yet and just wanted to flash the f/w and hang a couple external usb drives off it.
 

wouterkcs

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Just ordered the NAS for $150 and 4 1.5TB drives.
Reference setup by ahodge @ 11-20

Questions:
1) WHere will I store the WHS OS - if RAID5 4 drives is not setup yet
2) Documentation to setup RAID5 with OS included on RAID5
3) Does WHS contain mutiple containers?

Any other suggestions?
 

rsolomon

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Just ordered the NAS for $150 and 4 1.5TB drives.
Reference setup by ahodge @ 11-20

Questions:
1) WHere will I store the WHS OS - if RAID5 4 drives is not setup yet
2) Documentation to setup RAID5 with OS included on RAID5
3) Does WHS contain mutiple containers?

Any other suggestions?

I think you're hosed.

A) WHS apparently cannot handle "drives" bigger than 2TB, so you probably can't put it on a 4.5TB RAID5 built from 4x 1.5TB drives.

B) The SS4200E BIOS doesn't appear to have the Intel RAID BIOS included - it allows setting the SATA drives as "RAID" but there's no sign of the BIOS utility to create the RAID sets. (I only had a single SATA drive in mine when I tried this though.)


I've been struggling with this one myself - WHS really wants to be installed (insists on it in fact) as a 20GB "SYS" partition (holding the OS) and a [DriveSize - 20GB] "DATA" partition on the first drive, with any other drives used for combination bulk storage with optional *FILE* mirroring. I've played with some other configurations, but they all involve lying and deceiving the Drive Extender service - which just doesn't seem smart in a box where one really wants reliability.

I *think* it should be possible to create a RAID set - perhaps using a WinXP or Win7 install on another drive entirely - and have the SS4200E BIOS recognize/deal with it, but I've not proven that yet. Even if it is, then you run against the 2TB WHS drive limit *AND* the fact that WHS really wants to do *FILE* mirroring. You could certainly turn off the file mirroring in WHS and rely on the underlying "RAID", but that may be painful in other ways.

If you do a default WHS install you're reliant on doing a "Server Reinstall" if your boot drive fails. Apparently this does work, but it's not the kind of reliability most of us expect when we hear "server"


Presuming that it *IS* possible to get the onboard chipset pseudo RAID to work:

I'm sort of inclined to try an do a mirrored boot drive via the BIOS/ICH7R pseudo-RAID to protect WHS against a boot drive failure, then put the remaining 2 drives in as "normal" WHS storage - i.e. with *FILE* mirroring. WHS will "waste" some space on/from what it believes to be the boot drive (the mirrored set) because it will mirror those files onto other volumes. The downside of course is that for 4 drives of capactity N, you'll only get 3N/2 effective space [2N mirrored boot set for N usable, plus 2N for drives added to the WHS storage pool individually gives 3N capacity, but since WHS will mirror all the files, you end up with half that effective....] so 4x2TB drives yields 3TB of effective space: which isn't such a hot deal IMO.

Alternatively one might BIOS mirror each pair of drives and tell WHS to do *NO* mirroring, which brings the effective capacity up to 2N. (4x2TB drives as two mirrored pairs yielding 4TB of effective space). Still not hot....

Of course if I'm wrong and WHS *CAN* handle > 2TB "drives" then your original idea is great: one BIOS/Software "RAID5" set for 3N effective capacity. (4x2TB drives for 6TB of effective space.) Unfortunately, what I've read suggests that a 6TB drive won't work in WHS. You'd probably also want a dual core CPU since that software RAID5 won't be speedy....


The final option is to punt and use the OS the way M$ wants you to: and get approximately 2N effective capacity (approximately since 20GB is pulled out for the OS). That's as "bad" as the two mirror sets approach as far as utilization, but you get the advantage of being able to mix drive sizes since WHS natively groks non-homogeneous storage chunks.

Can you tell I'm conflicted?

Richard
 

ahodge

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WHS doesn't work like that. It uses drive extender tech. No RAID. Folder/file duplication for redundancy. There should be a bunch of info around on this. Wipe your drives, no RAID setup, WHS will handle your disks.
-Alex

Just ordered the NAS for $150 and 4 1.5TB drives.
Reference setup by ahodge @ 11-20

Questions:
1) WHere will I store the WHS OS - if RAID5 4 drives is not setup yet
2) Documentation to setup RAID5 with OS included on RAID5
3) Does WHS contain mutiple containers?

Any other suggestions?
 

ahodge

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I suggest that you guys read up on WHS to determine if its right for you before you decide to do away with the EMC software this thing comes with. Personally, I love WHS and I think its a perfect fit for 95% of people that need mass network storage at home.

FYI, I'm running my WHS with 4x1TB drives and a couple 500GB external SATA drives. Runs just fine.
-Alex
 
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rsolomon

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FYI, I'm running my WHS with 4x1TB drives and a couple 500GB external SATA drives. Runs just fine.

Good to hear! How many drive failures have you experienced? How many on the system drive?

That's what worries me about WHS - how it handles drive failures. I've read up a ton, and I'm not *terribly* uncomfortable with its handling of a failure on a dedicated data drive. It's the system drive which scares me - especially when you're talking a headless unit.

The forums over at wegotserved.com have a lot of great info - this one in particular deals with the Fujitsu-Siemens branded version of the SS4200-E:
http://forum.wegotserved.com/index.php?/forum/7-fujitsu-siemens-scaleo-home-server/

Richard
 

Vikroda

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Got WHS installed on a laptop SATA drive (held in place by bungee straps) by using the slipstreaming guide in one of the links above (also had a problem with getting the qs.ini format correct). On my last WHS box the boot drive's data partition never seemed to get much use (99% of the data got sent to one of the storage drives until it got full); however, thinking about it now I probably should have used a larger drive. My original plan was the use an IDE laptop drive connected to the IDE port as the boot drive but I never got around to testing if that would work (I have a laptop to desktop IDE connector).

I'm in the process of moving all my files from my old WHS drive connected inside the box to the server pool using Remote Desktop Connection (took a while for me to figure out how to control the server, didn't think it would be this easy). After that I'll set up flex-RAID to provide mirroring. I prefer flexRAID over RAID5 since you don't have to use drives that are the same size and you can add new drives easily--no need to rebuild the array.

I filled up all the internal bays (1 laptop boot drive, 3 x 1.5 TB drives--2 are in the server pool and one is/will be my parity drive) so I want to use the eSATA ports. I found an inexpensive 4-bay external box on Newegg for $100 after 10% Bing:
newegg link
I want to use it as JBOD to add to my server pool. However, it's 2/3 the cost of this box. Any cheaper solutions?
 

wouterkcs

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Many discussed here running RAID5.

Maybe it differentiate between 1) HardwareRAID via BIOS or 2) Software RAID.

Many posts states that out of the box it runs RAID -- 3 drives vs 4 drives for RAID5.

Or is out of the box run Software supports RAID, much better than WHS?

Just some thoughts here...

Thanks,

ps: my I7 system supports BIOS/hardware RAID from RAID 1 (mirror) to 5.
 

ChilliConCarnage

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Good to hear! How many drive failures have you experienced? How many on the system drive?
Richard

I ordered one of these because my WHS server had massive drive failures (I have gone from being a fan of Seagate to a hater!), and I lost thousands of files. I now want a backup for it.

By the way - it says this will only take up to 1TB drives. I have a few 1.5TB drives and noticed somebody else above said they were going to use 1.5. Can anybody confirm if 1.5TB drives will or won't work in here?
 

Engineer

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Credit: spy & SD
 
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Ronstang

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I am new to Bing Cashback and just signed up but cannot figure out how to get it. From reading the links Engineer posted which version is better? From reading the LegendMicro page they claim their rebranded version is better but I do not understand why? Can anybody clarify?
 

IamDavid

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Any way to plug in my Magic Jack to this since it has a USB port? Would love to eliminate the need for my main PC to be on 24/7.
 

zposter

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Any way to plug in my Magic Jack to this since it has a USB port? Would love to eliminate the need for my main PC to be on 24/7.
I've been thinking the same thing.

I don't see why it wouldn't work if you put an OS like WHS on it.
 

rsolomon

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can this only work with ONE hard drive with WHS or any other OS?

WHS should be fine with just one drive. Personally I'm not comfortable without redundancy, but have at it. Note there was an HP LX195? at Newegg for ~$200 *including* WHS and a 640GB drive - you'll need a $100 copy of WHS if you want to use it with this box....

Richard
 

Engineer

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Remember boys and girls, get this from the legend-micro eBay auction (Buy it now and use PayPal) and get it for $121.50 after 10% Bing Cash Back. Can't be beat (at least right now)!
 

SunnyD

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Remember boys and girls, get this from the legend-micro eBay auction (Buy it now and use PayPal) and get it for $121.50 after 10% Bing Cash Back. Can't be beat (at least right now)!

Link to eBay auction? My search doesn't find any for Legend Micro. Shouldn't have any issues getting Bing from Buy.com either btw.
 
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