*Dead* Mushkin PC3200 512mb $70 shipped @ Newegg

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imported_chrisbtx

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Originally posted by: user1234
chrisbtx, I do not have specific data about the actual production cost of RAM as I stated earliel, my conjecture is based on comparing the price to other similar microchips such as CPUs (AMD Athlon XP <$50 wholesale), chipsets used in motherboards (<$25), flash memory ($50 for 1GB), and many other prodcuts which include embedded microchips which cost a lot less than $50.

Similar is not the same though. You are comparing apples to oranges, and you just can't do that. Yeah, the production costs of some things may be lower or higher, depending on what they have to do to produce it. For example, with CPUs, they are at .90 micron production, which is less expensive than earlier production processes, but these memory modules do not coincide with the production processes of CPUs.

My point is just that those similar microchips are not following the same production process that RAM chips do, and therefore, you may make generalized estimates about the cost for production of RAM, but that is obviously not going to be the exact number as you make it sound in your posts.

edit: BTW, CPUs AFAIK are sold for very close to cost, whereas, yes, memory is sold for a profit, but it still is not really inexpensive to produce.
 

user1234

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Originally posted by: chrisbtx


edit: BTW, CPUs AFAIK are sold for very close to cost, whereas, yes, memory is sold for a profit, but it still is not really inexpensive to produce.

Aha ! and don't forget that beyond the production cost of CPU's, part of the price includes the costs of R&amp;D that went into deveoping these CPUs (and paying for develpoment of next generation). These R&amp;D costs are huge, even though they are mostly tacked on to the price of the cutting edge CPUs, rather than the budget product lines, but still memory does not have such a cost for its development.
And I guess you can't explain why 1GB of flash memory costs only $50 retail ?

BTW, I did not blast you in any way, shape or form, You must be reading something that is just not there
 

mindless1

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user1234, first of all your "prices" are questionable...
It is not anywhere near an industry norm to see 512MB of name-brand DDR for $60, nor 1GB of flash for $50. Sure, you might find some one-time DEAL on it, but that's not quite the same thing, we've all seen deals on products where clearly the bottom line was less than cost to make/distribute/ship product.

You are also making quite a giant leap towards assuming Newegg's pricing is changing based on stock at hand or popularity, rather than the way many commodities change price, that when market prices go up, stock on hand is also raised in price accordingly, because it's market value went up.

The bottom line is that this thread is NOT meant to be a comprehensive discussion of market memory pricing, it's ONE DEAL, take it or leave it. Perhaps instead of whining about Newegg's price you should be suggesting alternatives, better deals.

 

Lanyap

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You know if you guys keep debating this issue with our masterdebater the mods are going to lock this thread, don't you? Just like the provantage thread...

For some reason his debating sounds familiar, like he lived here at AT under another name...

Oh, and user1234, thank you for benefiting other members by explaining fair pricing and the market for RAM. This is a hot deals thread, not a marketing discussion thread. Your information has nothing to do with this deal. Why don't you open a thread in OT so you can continue debating this issue without wasting space in this thread.

NE has the Corsair Value Select PC3200 1GB dual pack (2 x 512) for $154 + .99 shipping. It was $149 yesterday. Still a good deal for $155 IMHO. Might be a better deal than the Mushkin if you need 1GB for dual channel.

http://www.newegg.com/app/view...=20-145-440&amp;depa=1

 

user1234

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OMG !!!!! don't you know that any identical two sticks of ram can be used in dual channel config ?!?!?
Therefore, even the mushkin for $70 x 2 = 140 << 155 !!!
Did you really think you have to buy the overpriced "dual channel" packages ?

and regarding the thread, we are debating if this is a hot deal or not, and like it or not, if prices fall soon, then this hot deal will prove to be not so hot, correct ? one of the points of the discussion is if ram prices are going to change, which as I explained directly affects one's decision wether to buy now or wait. And please stop incinuating your wild imaginary theories about 12 year old geniuses who change their user-ids, what will you think of next ?
 

Hworang

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We know he's not a genius. "Incinuating"...that's quality.

First, stop the ad hominem argumentation. This isn't the presidential election.

Second, stop the patronizing tone, user1234. If you had made a valid point somewhere, I'm sure it hasn't been on this thread.

Third, if you're going to randomly go trolling on anandtech, there's an entire OT forum. A good deal is based on current pricing, not potential price-forecasting months in advance. Also, the choice of whether it is a hot deal is a decision to be made now, not to be made in the future. If you don't understand the limits of basic logic, that's up to you.

Also, your logic about the mushkin ram in dual channel is faulty. Whether they share the same timings, the chips could be from different batches. They might use different controller chips. That sort of assumption is just shows how little you really know about the issues at hand. When you buy a dual channel kit, it's guaranteed to run dual channel. When you buy 2 separate sticks and hope that they run dual channel, you can't return the sticks because they won't run in DC.

So, you're asking someone to take a risk based on your assumptions. Whether they work or not is still a "gamble" because it's not a sure thing, and there's no guarantee.

Good job.

Also, I thank user1234 for admitting that he's making assumptions about the memory market. At least he admits to that.

Oh, and sjwaste quoted ur last sentence.

"This is the result of price gouging made possible by artificially limiting supplies to create an overage of demand."

You used the word gouging to describe it. ...

Ok, maybe I'll address your logic in the following sentences.

"Second, I never said this is gouging, I said this is the natural way free markets behave, albeit on a micro scale here.

...No need to even go into this. You state it's price gouging, then say it's not. At least stick with one or the other.

"Third, what I meant by overage of demand is that lowering the supply, will initially cause some demand to be unfullfiled, thus causing the price to increase. I didn't mean demand increases because of this, amd I agree that in equlibirium the number of units sold will be lower following a reduction in supply. "

...Your logic here is faulty. Lowering supply with increase the equilibrium price. This has no effect on demand. In a basic supply-demand chart, equilibrium price is found where the two lgraphical representations meet. When there is less supply, you would move the supply chart to the left. This does NOT move the demand graph. You have a higher equilibrium price. A shift of the supply graph to the left (lower quantity) will always result in a higher equilibrium price and a lower equilibrium quantity. This in no way ever effects demand. If you say otherwise, then we know you have no economic education.

So your second statement "I didn't mean..." contradicts your first statement "Third, what i meant."

Good job once again.

And mindless1 is right. A situation where a product is sold at a much lower price than the norm does not mean that it is the industry standard. I made that point earlier, which you ignored.

I have some advice. Instead of trolling here in hot deals, why don't you go enroll in a microeconomics class. Then post in OT.

And god help me for actually posting again on this thread. I feel dirty and used.


 

imported_chrisbtx

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Originally posted by: Hworang
A good deal is based on current pricing, not potential price-forecasting months in advance. Also, the choice of whether it is a hot deal is a decision to be made now, not to be made in the future.

If we're simply debating whether this is a hot deal or not, then this man has said the only thing that needs to be said. I'm going to be quiet now in order to hopefully get some of the other people in here to stop talking about this stuff too. Lots of valid points I've read in here, but for the sake of not upsetting anyone, I'll not give names....
 

Afro000Dude

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What if NE got a new shipment in before they ran out of stock because they noticed it was selling fast? Maybe the vendor charged more for the new shipment? Or maybe NE adjusted the price in combination with other factors to profit a little more from this product? Everyone's gotta make a buck.
 

user1234

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ok, let's talk about gouging..... I'm not too sure what is the exact definition of gouging, but I've heard the term is used when, for example, a gas station, starts charging $5 a gallon because of a rumor over upcoming global shortages. But when a retailer, let's say provantage raises the price of a product from $340 to $450, or when newegg raises the price by %10 just like that, then usually we just call it adapting the price to the current market conditions. So it seems there is no clear distinction, apart from maybe the size of the increase. But in effect it doesn't really matter how you call it, it's still the same thing - merchants trying to maximize their profits, which is perfectly normal. So I think it's perfectly clear what I meant, wether I used the word gouging or not.

And Hworang (?) - it's funny that you claim I use a patronizing tone, while you flat out use personal attacks on me, so please try to grow up and not make a fool out of yourself (if you can) by nit picking every word and sentence when I already made my point and explained it to the satisfaction of everyone else (wether they may agree or not).
 

MrCodeDude

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Being practical, just because it's Mushkin doesn't make it better than some off-brand.

Value PC3200 @ 2.5-4-4-? isn't at all impressive for $80. I've picked up random modules from Fry's for $40 - $60 AR which probably perform par with these sticks.
 

Hworang

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wow, gj on editing ur previous post to remove the personal attacks, that was good...

it's at least funny to note that he was the one who started the personal attacks, starting by calling me a moron lol

well, congrats, u managed to successful outmaneuver me this time by removing the evidence.



*edit*

I wonder if it's the anonymity of the internet that gives him this sort of "invincible unassailable" and objective wrong viewpoint, or if he's like that it real life.

No matter.

His points != Hot deal.

I'm done with this thread...I'm the idiot for continuing this with someone who can'ts see objectively.
 

dirtrat

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The Hot Deals Threads were never intended to be used as a DEBATING platform for you! If you don't think its a HOT DEAL then skip the thread and move along without making a post. Please pay close attention to the following HOT DEALS rules:

No thread crapping. If the subject matter of a deal does not interest you, do not post negative comments about it, or about other members, in the thread.

Stick to discussing the deal. Do not post needless rude or trivial comments about someone else's posts. Flaming can only hurt someone's feelings.

I think its time for you to move along but the Moderators can decide that for you. They have been notified!




Originally posted by: user1234

and regarding the thread, we are debating if this is a hot deal or not, and like it or not, if prices fall soon, then this hot deal will prove to be not so hot, correct ?

 

lzpoof

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Please raise your hand if you do NOT realize that user1234 is justreally lonely and posting here because he knows you will reply to him. Can everyone just stop replying to anything he says ? If we just ignore his posts it will defeat him much more handily than fanning the flames. Off note, can someone please ban him or something?

Anyways back ontopic.... While the price may be similar to generic and yes Mushkin basic is kinda generic, I think Mushkin gets bonus points for being a reasonable company to deal with and knowing they're probably going to be around long enough to honor their warranties whenever the RAM dies. Not that's a huge point, but I also like the way they ship the RAM with the airbags , assuming they still do, much safer than just bubble wrap.
 

Lanyap

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I think I will go with the Corsair Value Select Dual Pack for $155 for my AMD64 combo. It's only $7 more than two Mushkins but I'm guaranteed that the sticks have the same chips as apposed to ordering two separate sticks that might have different chips and/or specs. I noticed in the NE reviews for the Mushkin that people were receiving Elixir chips a few months ago and were having problems.

 
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