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fell8

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Everyone who got an order in before the fix should check the account they charged it to. If the account was charged for the purchase (prolly wasn't, but still check), that means they recieved payment, and therefore have entered into an implied contract. By canceling the order and refunding money without your approval represents a breach of contract. That is "actionable" (as the ambulance-chasers put it). This applies to any similar situation (don't know about international, though).
 

woodscomp

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Like they really need some blood sucking guy who only trys to purchase form them when there site is hacked. I am sure they will miss your business. And that email will really help to persuade somebody to feel bad for you and honor your not so honest purchase.
 

woodscomp

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If a merchant refunds your money there is no breach of contract. And no bank in the world or merchant system will honor your bitch about it either.

Get over it and move on.
 

fell8

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Actually I wrote that for the people who are victims of "charge first maybe try to get something out later" vendors (which I doubt Axiontech is one of), this just seemed like an appropriate place to do so as I believe any outfit that would pull such a stunt (again, I doubt Axion would, but...) deserves as many blood-suckers as can possibly cling to it (it must be nice never having dealt with a dishonest merchant, woodscomp--no need to know how to defend yourself).

You are also quite mistaken about the breach of contract. Pay attention, now: 1) They make an offer to deliver a particular good or service (the product listing on their website)--*no contract exists--no 2nd party*; 2) You accept the terms of their offer (you place an order)--*no contract exists--neither party has commited any resources*; 3) They accept payment for good or service per terms of initial offer (they charge your credit, debit, etc. card)--*an implied contract now exists--you have fufllied your end of it* Now, unless the terms of the initial offer include an applicable escape clause, they have to either deliver the good or service as promised in the initial offer, or contact you to renegotiate the terms of the contract. Failure to do so is a breach. I have stated that I do not believe Axion actually charged anyone before shipping, however if they did and then changed the order without the customer's prior consent, that is a careless and dishonest way of doing business, and people should protect themselves (I'm sorry if you don't agree).

On second thought, you must be right. I mean, you obviously know everyone's motives for placing orders when prices are favorable, so how could you be wrong about anything?
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: fell8
Actually I wrote that for the people who are victims of "charge first maybe try to get something out later" vendors (which I doubt Axiontech is one of), this just seemed like an appropriate place to do so as I believe any outfit that would pull such a stunt (again, I doubt Axion would, but...) deserves as many blood-suckers as can possibly cling to it (it must be nice never having dealt with a dishonest merchant, woodscomp--no need to know how to defend yourself). You are also quite mistaken about the breach of contract. Pay attention, now: 1) They make an offer to deliver a particular good or service (the product listing on their website)--*no contract exists--no 2nd party*; 2) You accept the terms of their offer (you place an order)--*no contract exists--neither party has commited any resources*; 3) They accept payment for good or service per terms of initial offer (they charge your credit, debit, etc. card)--*an implied contract now exists--you have fufllied your end of it* Now, unless the terms of the initial offer include an applicable escape clause, they have to either deliver the good or service as promised in the initial offer, or contact you to renegotiate the terms of the contract. Failure to do so is a breach. I have stated that I do not believe Axion actually charged anyone before shipping, however if they did and then changed the order without the customer's prior consent, that is a careless and dishonest way of doing business, and people should protect themselves (I'm sorry if you don't agree). On second thought, you must be right. I mean, you obviously know everyone's motives for placing orders when prices are favorable, so how could you be wrong about anything?

like was already suggested, get over it and move on troll.
 

fell8

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It's funny. There is only one person on this page of the thread not calling people names. I guess telling people of ways of defend themselves financially makes a person a blood-sucking troll.

I remember back in the day when people who started making baseless accusations and name-calling because of a single post (and it's subsequent defense) were the trolls. Go figure.
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: fell8
It's funny. There is only one person on this page of the thread not calling people names. I guess telling people of ways of defend themselves financially makes a person a blood-sucking troll. I remember back in the day when people who started making baseless accusations and name-calling because of a single post (and it's subsequent defense) were the trolls. Go figure.

I presume 'back in the day' people were expected to know the rules too.

What about ETHICS?

If you question whether a deal is real or a mistake, call or write the company, and ask. If it is a valid deal, post it. If it isn't, DO NOT post it, and DO NOT complain about it.

If you think your post may be unethical, it probably is. DON'T POST IT. If you don't care about ethics, FIND ANOTHER FORUM. There are plenty of sites devoted to these kinds of activities. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM! If that is what you want to do, PLEASE GO THERE. If you insist on doing it, here, you may become an involuntary lurker.
 

woodscomp

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Preach on brother!

I am sick of these posts clogging the forum with "ways to beat the system". It is funny how one guy can try and make a way for many to try and beat down the vendors who sometimes actually do put out "Hot Deals".

 

fell8

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*sigh*

I was hoping (as I'm sure was everyone else) to let this thread die, as there has yet to be an applicable argument pressed against my stance. However, thinly veiled attacks on my character call for response (although maybe I'm just being vain).

First I will point out that at no point did I suggest to anyone taking action against Axiontech. I suggested they check their financial institution to make sure they were not victims of illegal business practices. Why? Because I have had companies charge my CC, sit on the money while intrest acrues, and finally, after a few weeks, say "Oh, we changed our minds, here's your money back." Except I'm still out the interest. I wish to God somebody back then had had the courage to risk being branded "blood-sucker" or "troll" to let others know they do have rights in cases like this. Secondly, I clearly stated, from the begining, this was probably not the case with Axiontech. I merely thought people should know, just in case.

Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: fell8
It's funny. There is only one person on this page of the thread not calling people names. I guess telling people of ways of defend themselves financially makes a person a blood-sucking troll. I remember back in the day when people who started making baseless accusations and name-calling because of a single post (and it's subsequent defense) were the trolls. Go figure.

I presume 'back in the day' people were expected to know the rules too.

What about ETHICS?

If you question whether a deal is real or a mistake, call or write the company, and ask. If it is a valid deal, post it. If it isn't, DO NOT post it, and DO NOT complain about it.

If you think your post may be unethical, it probably is. DON'T POST IT. If you don't care about ethics, FIND ANOTHER FORUM. There are plenty of sites devoted to these kinds of activities. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM! If that is what you want to do, PLEASE GO THERE. If you insist on doing it, here, you may become an involuntary lurker.

An excellent point, to be sure, except I did not post an unethical deal. I posted info on how to deal with unethical businesses. When I do have something unethical to post here, I will remember the helpful guidance you have shared here, and post it elsewhere (or maybe not at all...). In the meantime I have every intention of continuing to help people and sharing knowledge they can use to protect themselves.

Originally posted by: woodscomp
Preach on brother!

I am sick of these posts clogging the forum with "ways to beat the system". It is funny how one guy can try and make a way for many to try and beat down the vendors who sometimes actually do put out "Hot Deals".

Although I believe I addressed this in the begining of this post, I would be interested in finding out where I tried to "make a way for many to try and beat down the vendors who sometimes actually do put out "Hot Deals"". I mean, I do wear glasses, so my eyesight isn't the best.

It's kind of strange that even after clarifying my stance, that you guys still chose to attack me (okay, maybe I was a little condecending, but I had just been called a blood-sucker and troll--I feel they were very restrained responses). I have a hard time believing you guy's don't want people knowing how to defend themselves. It seems more than a little schill-like. Oh well, no matter, maybe now this thread can die in peace.
 
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