[DEAD]REVISED Newegg Linksys refurb E3000-RM $45.99 free shipping

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leeland

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:/ i hate ask, but why? ddwrt doesnt even support that... so if the e3000 does its with the stock firmware... and even if thats the case you wouldnt notice any performance difference

Sorry if that question seemed stupid...

I have a QNAP Nas that supports jumbo frames, as well as my current buffalo router...

I did notice a speed increase when reading from the RAID 1 NAS setup after configuring for jumbo frames and setting my nic card to 1000 FULL vs auto.

If this isn't really a talking point I won't bother with it anymore.
 

wirednuts

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im not smart about networking stuff, if i come off as knowledgeable then thats the filter of the internet

i was always under the impression that jumbo frames on a gigabit network makes very little difference.. like 5% faster. and thats only on slower networks
 
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Wyndru

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i dont remember any router that people didnt complain about overheating issues. dont put it on top of your cable modem, or in the sun. and turn your thermostat to lower then 82F.

or, open it up and replace the heatsink. or at least repaste it.

I'm just referring to this case style specifically, I've heard that it's basically a defective design and linksys is having a lot of problems with them, hence the big price discounts and refurb units popping up all over (not to mention the horrible reviews these are getting from customers). I've noticed that they have since changed the design on newer models (Ex200 and Ex500 series), I might wait until the newer design gets cheaper and has more reviews, until then I'll use my old wrt54g v3.
 

wirednuts

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I'm just referring to this case style specifically, I've heard that it's basically a defective design and linksys is having a lot of problems with them, hence the big price discounts and refurb units popping up all over (not to mention the horrible reviews these are getting from customers). I've noticed that they have since changed the design on newer models (Ex200 and Ex500 series), I might wait until the newer design gets cheaper and has more reviews, until then I'll use my old wrt54g v3.

i still dont buy it. you see more complaints because there are more people with this model then any else. also, linksys has a long history of selling refurb hardware at heavy discounts... this really isnt anything new besides the fact that these routers now can handle a real amount of traffic and good speeds.

and like i said, most routers ive known have had heat issues after time. if its anything like motherboards, then the factory paste they use alone is enough to cause issues. (which works out great for them, router works just past warranty and BAM, time to buy a new one). if i was worried about it, i would just ziptie a fan to the case... or open it up and screw a fan onto the heatsink inside.
 

Wyndru

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i still dont buy it. you see more complaints because there are more people with this model then any else. also, linksys has a long history of selling refurb hardware at heavy discounts... this really isnt anything new besides the fact that these routers now can handle a real amount of traffic and good speeds.

and like i said, most routers ive known have had heat issues after time. if its anything like motherboards, then the factory paste they use alone is enough to cause issues. (which works out great for them, router works just past warranty and BAM, time to buy a new one). if i was worried about it, i would just ziptie a fan to the case... or open it up and screw a fan onto the heatsink inside.

I don't know, I just avoid routers that have reviews like this:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/cisco-hot-router-check-it-and-see/14451

There’s a problem with the E3000, and it’s obvious to anyone who uses it — the bottom of the unit gets very, very hot. And when that happens, the internal Ethernet switch stops working, and your LAN and WAN connections drop.
http://sgvtechinfo.blogspot.com/2010/07/cisco-linksys-e3000-real-user-test-and.html

The Linksys E3000 have one utterly fail flaw – the bottom is very hot to the touch which may cause disconnect issues with the wireless connections or shorten the operating life of this router.
The Linksys E3000 also supports third party firmware development and updates - none at the moment that can fix the overheating issues and Upnp/SAMBA device sharing issues.
Maybe you are right, it may be because of the amount of units sold, but when I see cisco's forums filling up with ideas for cob-job cooling on thiis unit (using wire hangers lol), it's a red flag for me.
 

wirednuts

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hey! this guy found a good fix! (taken from cisco forums)



he did a good job actually. i like the layout of the holes. nice design

from what i read (now that you made me curious), it does seem like this router CAN run hot, but from most accounts its when its sitting flat on a table with no moving air around it. just put a fan near it, its something thats not a bad idea for any of your passively cooled devices honestly. or, as others mentioned, the problem went away once they hung the unit on the wall (and it does have mounts for that).

i myself will probably be taking the heatsinik off inside it, and repasting it with good thermal goo. i wouldnt do that to a retail router thats under warranty, but for a refurb why not.
 
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wirednuts

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Maybe you are right, it may be because of the amount of units sold, but when I see cisco's forums filling up with ideas for cob-job cooling on thiis unit (using wire hangers lol), it's a red flag for me.


which is understandable. its really the price that makes me think "who cares". if it is something you dont want to worry about, then there are plenty of other good routers (like the netgear 3700v3 i bought on accident. it doesnt support ddwrt as it uses a broadcom chip.. but i cannot say how impressed i am with its actual performance. super easy setup, blazing fast speeds, and always runs just warm to the touch..)
 

BlueWeasel

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Currently have a refurbished E2000 running Tomato and love it. Just bought the E3000 as its replacement for the dual-band and USB features. Will probably convert the E2000 into a repeater-bridge.

Curious, though. Does running Tomato on the E3000 still allow me to use the USB as shared storage?
 

wirednuts

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i think there is a usb version of tomato. not so sure about its features though (probably just a shared network drive and nothing else)

the e2000 is awesome as a bridge, as someone else pointed out to me the other day. just use the 5ghz band to set up a wireless link between it and an e3000, and then use the 2.4ghz band on the 3000 for all client connections. that way, youre house is covered wirelessly and the e2000 provides basically 100mb wired ports on the other end of the house (or basement!)
 

BlueWeasel

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i think there is a usb version of tomato. not so sure about its features though (probably just a shared network drive and nothing else)

the e2000 is awesome as a bridge, as someone else pointed out to me the other day. just use the 5ghz band to set up a wireless link between it and an e3000, and then use the 2.4ghz band on the 3000 for all client connections. that way, youre house is covered wirelessly and the e2000 provides basically 100mb wired ports on the other end of the house (or basement!)

Awesome. Currently got a Buffalo G bridge that will be replaced by the E2000.
 

donfm

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Two issues have apparently come to pass. One is the fact Newegg is no longer honoring this coupon code. It was advertised to be good until 3/1/12 but I see numerous people saying the code no longer works for them.

The second issue is it seems this router as well as all Linksys E series routers are susceptible to the WPS brute force attack. Better known as the Reavis hack. This security loophole allows a person to rather easily crack the password from outside your network with a readily available script and gain access.

I have contacted Linksys/Cisco tech support and asked what if anything are they doing to fix this issue. My question was escalated to the engineering staff I was told. They have thus far failed to return any information to me or comment about the issue.

This may be something to consider if you are purchasing not only this but any E series Linksys router as they are all susceptible to the Reavis Hack.
I may be sending my E3000 I just purchased back to Newegg.
 

Mitch101

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I feel for the OP newegg because they have developed some bad business practices in the last 2 years and if you read the comments its happening quite a bit.

Anyone remember those fake CPU's that were clearly fake?

My biggest issue was them sending me someone elses RMA'd motherboard missed the cables and even had the RMA sticker from someone else was on it. Arrived DOA because it was already RMA'd. How it got back into being sold to me as new is worrysome. It means the order process and rma process failed and it cost me $8.00 and two weeks to straighten out.

As a result I only purchase when there is free shipping because I can force them to send me a return label. Newegg doesnt reimburse the shipping of the product to you.
 

wirednuts

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The second issue is it seems this router as well as all Linksys E series routers are susceptible to the WPS brute force attack. Better known as the Reavis hack. This security loophole allows a person to rather easily crack the password from outside your network with a readily available script and gain access.

I have contacted Linksys/Cisco tech support and asked what if anything are they doing to fix this issue. My question was escalated to the engineering staff I was told. They have thus far failed to return any information to me or comment about the issue.

This may be something to consider if you are purchasing not only this but any E series Linksys router as they are all susceptible to the Reavis Hack.
I may be sending my E3000 I just purchased back to Newegg.

edit- just turn off wds? all it does is make it possible to setup your router via a wireless link. just turn it off and setup your router via ethernet cable.
 

Baenwort

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The problem is that a number of models were when you turn of WPS the hack still works as the router still responds to requests. The only fix in that case is to flash over to Tomato or DD-WRT.
 

MisterE

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I don't know, I just avoid routers that have reviews like this...

I had my E3000 jammed behind a big, hot 32" tube TV for around 18 months and had no overheating problems, so your concerns may be a little overblown. My two E2000s both lie flat but have very good ventilation (conditions are not adverse), so I can't really comment on those.
 
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MisterE

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I received my refurb E3000 today. I usually immediately flash to dd-wrt, but I'm gonna play around with the stock firmware's media server a little. dd-wrt only has file server capabilities built-in for USB storage and doesn't have a DLNA server (unless you use Optware or a modded dd-wrt like "Kong Mod"). I may even break my Tomato cherry with this router!
 

donfm

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I received my refurb E3000 today. I usually immediately flash to dd-wrt, but I'm gonna play around with the stock firmware's media server a little. dd-wrt only has file server capabilities built-in for USB storage and doesn't have a DLNA server (unless you use Optware or a modded dd-wrt like "Kong Mod"). I may even break my Tomato cherry with this router!

I just got my E3000 refurb today as well. Mine was shipped with really old firmware and a really old Cisco Connect software disc that was like 5 revisions old. Just updated everything and it seems to be working great. This thing is fast. I'm going to stick with the stock firmware for now. One thing I did notice is that Cisco Connect web interface seems painfully slow to respond to input. But I shouldn't have to be making many changes anyway once it's up and running so it's a minor annoyance I guess.
 

MisterE

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I just got my E3000 refurb today as well. Mine was shipped with really old firmware and a really old Cisco Connect software disc that was like 5 revisions old. Just updated everything and it seems to be working great. This thing is fast. I'm going to stick with the stock firmware for now. One thing I did notice is that Cisco Connect web interface seems painfully slow to respond to input. But I shouldn't have to be making many changes anyway once it's up and running so it's a minor annoyance I guess.

I use my web browser to configure these routers. The only time I've used Cisco Connect was to configure a guest wireless network on (I think) a stock WRT120n for someone. The guest wireless option wasn't available in the web interface. I will upgrade to the most current stock firmware first if I decide to play around with DLNA, though.
 
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donfm

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I use my web browser to configure these routers. The only time I've used Cisco Connect was to configure a guest wireless network on (I think) a stock WRT120n for someone. The guest wireless option wasn't available in the web interface. I will upgrade to the most current stock firmware first if I decide to play around with DLNA, though.

Even when I login directly to my router with my web browser using 192.168.1.1 it still is very slow when saving settings or trying to navigate the various pages in the router menu. Perhaps its just my router that is slow if you're not having any issues. But other than that the router works fine.
 

donfm

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Two issues have apparently come to pass. One is the fact Newegg is no longer honoring this coupon code. It was advertised to be good until 3/1/12 but I see numerous people saying the code no longer works for them.

The second issue is it seems this router as well as all Linksys E series routers are susceptible to the WPS brute force attack. Better known as the Reavis hack. This security loophole allows a person to rather easily crack the password from outside your network with a readily available script and gain access.

I have contacted Linksys/Cisco tech support and asked what if anything are they doing to fix this issue. My question was escalated to the engineering staff I was told. They have thus far failed to return any information to me or comment about the issue.

This may be something to consider if you are purchasing not only this but any E series Linksys router as they are all susceptible to the Reavis Hack.
I may be sending my E3000 I just purchased back to Newegg.

Ok this is the link to the latest response from Cisco on the WPS vulnerability in all their wireless routers. Seems like they haven't done anything yet and for some routers they haven't even begun. The E-3000 is on the "To Be Determined" release list which means who knows when it will be fixed.

http://www6.nohold.net/Cisco2/ukp.aspx?vw=1&articleid=25154
 

MisterE

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Even when I login directly to my router with my web browser using 192.168.1.1 it still is very slow when saving settings or trying to navigate the various pages in the router menu. Perhaps its just my router that is slow if you're not having any issues. But other than that the router works fine.

I unboxed mine and played around with it a little last night. I didn't feel like replacing my main firewall/router, so I just changed enough in the config to make the new unit function basically like a wireless access point. I currently have stock firmware loaded (the unit came with the most current installed), and the web interface is very responsive on my unit.

I copied a variety of media files to a NTFS-formatted 200GB USB hard drive and connected it to the E3000. The drive was detected, I enabled the E3000's built-in media server, and was able to use the web interface to browse the hard drive and share the media folders. After this, the E3000 showed up as a DLNA media server on my Windows 7 desktop and on my Sony Blu Ray player. It worked great, except the Sony Blu Ray player displayed the shares as rootaudio, rootvideo, rootpictures instead of Audio, Video, Pictures (Win7 displayed the names properly).
 

wirednuts

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i got mine too!

just flashed to the latest big build of ddwrt, everything went smooth. its working great!

off to best buy to take the wndr3700v3 back! $108 back in my account thank you very much. kinda sad, because that 3700v3 router is excellent imo... i mean everyone is scared shitless of getting a v3 but thats only because ddwrt isnt supported (yet!). in fact, its an awesome router and the stock firmware is very good too after it auto updates.

but money is money, and this e3000 is about the same exact thing for half the price.

i do notice, the e3000 does seem less efficient. the netgear 3700v3 requires 12v@1a max.... while this e3000 has a 12v@2a adapter. the e3000 definitely does run a lot warmer too. i dont want to say much more then that, because without actual amperage testing who knows whats really going on, but it seems the e3000 wastes more energy in the form of heat.

im a realist though, and if that means i have to spend an extra $2 a year to run this router then so be it. if this router breaks i can buy another one. if that netgear broke its a lot bigger investment lost.
 

ussfletcher

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Coupon is still working as of right now, I just placed my order. My refurbed zyxel has been leaving me hanging (working off and on) the last few weeks.
 

wirednuts

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^^ nice! i wonder if they extended the coupon (although it was originally scheduled to end today)

mines been working great. not sure why my netbook wont connect any faster then 54g, but its probably the shit adapter built into this thing. my old netgear router with ddwrt would connect to my netbook at 150mb, but it was still slower then this router is at 54mb- by a lot!
 
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