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[Dulanic]

Originally posted by: tommie
From: Tim
Date: Monday, April 07, 2003 6:01:58 PM
To: Tim Adams
Subject: AXP 3000+ Deluxe System




Ultima Power Athlon XP Delux 3000+


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Athlon XP 3000+ processor
MSI K7N2G-ILSR Motherboard
512mb PC2700 DDR
Maxtor 80gb 7200rpm Hard Drive
GeForce4 TI4200 128mb DDR Video
52x24x52 CDRW
16x DVD drive
Floppy Drive
3 piece Speakers
USB Optical Mouse
Multimedia Keyboard
$1510.00


i get deals like this mailed to me every week. i didnt type this , this is copied and pasted..the picture didnt paste but it was an attracttive alum looking box. im anoob to this forum so glad to meet ya. tommie

This would save him about 850 bucks... (It doesnt have a monitor) But hes also switching to crappy speakers (I wont skimp on speakers) quite a bit slower video card. A MB thats not as good... no DVD burner... Smaller Hardrive... Less and slower ram.. Smaller and slower HD...Its just not in the same catagory of PC. So it's not really even a decent comparison.

 

[eviltoon]

So I keep following this thread, don't know why...anyway, I'm amazed at how many people think a gaming rig doesn't need absolutely first rate sound. My strong believe is that it does. Emersing yourself in 5.1 sound with an Audigy 1-2 and top of the line Klipsch, Creative, Yamaha or Logitec is completely understandable for someone prepared to pay $3600 USD. It's an awsome experience. Yeah the video card is important, the processor, so is the monitor...but it's sight and sound.

Also. Tret if your thinking of using the machine for more than a gaming rig and I somehow think that you are based on a few of your choices of components and if you've got the money to spend...I just took a whole load of stress away from my processor by getting an external DVD player. A toshiba thing (one that usually goes to your TV). Run it through your video card and hook up a coaxil line to your Audigy 2 platinum sound card. It's a little excessive, but doesn't sound like anything you'd shy away from. Pesonally, my experience with internal DVD players isn't so hot.

 

[chizow]

I'm amazed at how many people think a gaming rig doesn't need absolutely first rate sound.

Simple answer. They don't know any better. They've never heard the difference, so their expectations are lower. I'm in the same boat as you, but I prefer a proper HT set-up.

There comes a point where you simply won't notice any improvements to the guts in your PC; at that point, its time to take care of the human interaction aspects, like your monitor, speakers/sound, keyboard, mouse, chair etc. Someone described it well earlier being static vs. non-static, although I put a slightly different spin on it as being the interactive devices.

Tret, just buy the damn thing. As long as you're happy with what you put together, don't bother listening to the nay-sayers. You've gotten enough input to make an informed decision, go ahead and make your purchase based on your gut feelings. Nothing worse than buyer's remorse when you second guess yourself b/c of someone else's opinion..............

Chiz

 

[Marauder-]

Chiz - I've definitely heard the difference - But those Klipsch's are awfully expensive for a computer 5.1 setup. Granted they are the best computer wise, your average HT setup would probably outmatch that. I owned a set of Klipsch 4.1s and they were awesome till I discovered HT. My Polk Audio speakers destroy my Klipsch's hands down. I think that $500 refurb Onkyo deal last month would have been a GREAT investment in his gaming budget.

That, and after a while, all that CS gun firing just sounds the same. LOL

 

[DerwenArtos12]

nice system but yo could get a pre assembled for less with all that stuff in it

 

[DerwenArtos12]

nice system but yo could get a pre assembled for less with all that stuff in it

 

[TJN23]

dude if i had that system my GPA would fall to something negative and i'd become addicted and fail at life

 

[clicknext]

To your title question: No.

 

[Tret]

im going to wait till the sledgehammer is out

 

[BaboonGuy]

Originally posted by: Tret
im going to wait till the sledgehammer is out

that could be awhile. when things are announced they always sound so much closer than they really are.

 

[VFAA]

Do u think I should spend $3000 for a gaming rig?

I spent $6Ks so why not? :beer:

 

[RickH]

To your question--NO. Spend $3K today on a super computer and before you even get it on the network it's already old technogy. We have a collection of machines from PIII 500s to dual P4 2.8 Xenons, for 99% of the thing people do a ~1GHz with 512 RAM and a fast drive is fine. The amount of power needed for most apps--including games is exaggerated. RRRRRRRRR

 

[Marauder-]

VFAA: Are you talking about a 286 purchase like 10-12 years ago?

 

[wetcat007]

That HD is bad blood, theirs millions of stories of their slow death to whining all over the net.

 

[VFAA]

Originally posted by: Marauder-
VFAA: Are you talking about a 286 purchase like 10-12 years ago?

no, my rig...

 

[FearoftheNight]

THis thread is interesting read. Sorry if I forget all your anandtech names. Uhh for the person who's buying the comp you must having a huge wad...of cash....whether you blow it all at once is up to you. I envy you a little though. DWW....great post....I liked it....welcome to Anandtech btw. Chizow....good insight as always. I got a PM for you btw...very complicated dilemma..... Yes so go out and make urself happy. Btw my 0310 1700+ is running at 2313 . hehehe just felt like sharing.

 

[Goose77]

i have only 2 suggestion,

dont skimp out on the memory, thats where half of the probs occur,

i like samsung original the best, or cruicial.


dont buy sound card when delux sound is just as good!!!

 

[Acanthus]

the sledgehammer is going to be competeing with prescott... 800mhz fsb 64k L1, 1024k L2, 4ghz+, Advanced Hyperthreading, .09 process.

not to mention no one knows when AMD is planning on dropping this bomb, or if its even going to be good compared to the above product.

Edit: at the rate its been going lately its going to be up against tejas, the next gen after prescott, 1.2ghz fsb, god knows how much cache, what clocks, what process. The only solid data ive heard is the 1.2ghz fsb. My point is the hammer was meant to go up against the Northwood, its being delayed for multiple reasons (winxp-64 being one of the biggest). By the time hammer comes out intel is going be 1 or even 2 chip generations ahead of the game. Even worse in the 64 bit department when Itanium 3 is out next year.

 

[VFAA]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
the sledgehammer is going to be competeing with prescott... 800mhz fsb 64k L1, 1024k L2, 4ghz+, Advanced Hyperthreading, .09 process.

not to mention no one knows when AMD is planning on dropping this bomb, or if its even going to be good compared to the above product.

Edit: at the rate its been going lately its going to be up against tejas, the next gen after prescott, 1.2ghz fsb, god knows how much cache, what clocks, what process. The only solid data ive heard is the 1.2ghz fsb. My point is the hammer was meant to go up against the Northwood, its being delayed for multiple reasons (winxp-64 being one of the biggest). By the time hammer comes out intel is going be 1 or even 2 chip generations ahead of the game. Even worse in the 64 bit department when Itanium 3 is out next year.

lol not to poop on your parade but how the heck did you get so off topic in your reply?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: VFAA

Originally posted by: Acanthus
the sledgehammer is going to be competeing with prescott... 800mhz fsb 64k L1, 1024k L2, 4ghz+, Advanced Hyperthreading, .09 process.

not to mention no one knows when AMD is planning on dropping this bomb, or if its even going to be good compared to the above product.

Edit: at the rate its been going lately its going to be up against tejas, the next gen after prescott, 1.2ghz fsb, god knows how much cache, what clocks, what process. The only solid data ive heard is the 1.2ghz fsb. My point is the hammer was meant to go up against the Northwood, its being delayed for multiple reasons (winxp-64 being one of the biggest). By the time hammer comes out intel is going be 1 or even 2 chip generations ahead of the game. Even worse in the 64 bit department when Itanium 3 is out next year.

lol not to poop on your parade but how the heck did you get so off topic in your reply?

he said he was waiting til hammer comes out, i was just saying by the time it comes out, there will better things competing with it. Not to mention "waiting for hammer" could easily be a year on the horizons still.

 

[Marauder-]

VFAA: What do you have in your rig?!?!?

 

[psy44]

Get a P4 w/800 mhz FSB, as long as you're spending 3 g's for this thing, you probably want the fastest processor, I'm assuming......

 

[Ketchup]

Originally posted by: RickH
To your question--NO. Spend $3K today on a super computer and before you even get it on the network it's already old technogy. We have a collection of machines from PIII 500s to dual P4 2.8 Xenons, for 99% of the thing people do a ~1GHz with 512 RAM and a fast drive is fine. The amount of power needed for most apps--including games is exaggerated. RRRRRRRRR

Spoken like a true non-gamer, or who at least hasn't been playing the latest games. If you like new games, high resolution, and all the eye candy (FSAA and AF), get the fastest hardware you can, because you will need it. My rig seems pretty fast until I start playing NFS: Hot Pursuit 2, with the resolution and detail sliders all the way to the right. And that really isn't even one of the "latest" games.

 

[VFAA]

Originally posted by: Marauder-
VFAA: What do you have in your rig?!?!?

1 year of working hard and overtime...

All parts are retail, nothing is OEM.

- AMD Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2.61GHz
- ABIT AT7-MAX2
- OCZ 512MB PC3500EL
- ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
- Sound Blaster Audigy2 Platinum EX
- Hitachi/IBM 180GXP 2 X 80GBs in RAID 0
- Plextor PX-504A DVD/RW
- Pioneer 16X Slot Load DVD
- Logitech Elite Keyboard
- Logitech MX 700 Mouse
...>> On top of Everglide Giganta Smoke pad

- Samsung SyncMaster 172T LCD
- Klipsch Promedia 5.1 setup

- Lian-Li PC68 Case
...>> Inside case mods:
........>> Bantec (red) window mod
........>> Enermax EG-651P-VE 550W PSU
........>> Thermalright SLK-800 HS w/ Panaflo 80mm Ultra
........>> Vantec Nexus (silver) 201 Rheobus
........>> 2 X Vantec Stealth 80mm Fans (in place of ADDA fans)
........>> 3 X Crystal Quad LED Fans 80mm (1 in window, 2 on the back exhaust) Pic
........>> 4 X UV Reactive IDE/Floppy Cables
........>> 2 X Red Cold Cathodes
........>> Swiftech H20-8500AV Water Cooling Kit (Waiting for different quality tubing before I put it in)

- CH Products FlightSim Yoke USB
- CH Products Pro Rudder Pedals USB
- CH Products Fighterstick USB
- CH Products Pro Throttle USB
- Logitech MOMO Force Wheel (not in use)
- Logitech WingMan Extreme Digital 3D (not in use)
- Logitech WingMan Force (not in use)


...and a lot of other mods to the case and other things that are not worth mentioning... It's more than $6Ks but I'd say now all of it is worth this much (everything mint condition). Also I'm in Ontario (Toronto to be exact) so you can add $1,200 worth of taxes on top of all that thanks to our sh!tty government .

 

[Siddhartha]

You are looking at a quality system. You could save some money by going with cheaper user interface systems, speakers and monitor, but if you can afford them you will enjoy using your system more with the components on your list.