Deadly Shootings, Explosions In Paris

[norseamd]

Lotus was trying to equate the events in the ongoing attacks in Paris to the deaths in Chicago. I'm basing that on my assumption that the majority of those deaths in Chicago are gang related, and not merely people killing random strangers (correct me if I'm wrong). I disagree, and I do think it's relevant.

Maybe but what I said is that any large city has a variety of society who is murdered. Even 25% of that 550 is a significant level of possible good citizens. And also those gang members have relatives including little kids who are affected by the gang violence.

 

[Paratus]

While this is a hard concept for some here the real enemy is radicalized young men, assuming the identity of the terrorists.

The enemy is not the refugees. We don't even know if these terrorists were refugees or already legally in France. Hell they could have been citizens of France.

Dealing with global terrorism isn't going to be done by losing control of your sphincters, closing borders, (long term), forcing a bunch of refugees to live in war zone to either be killed by ISIS or during military action. Or even worse radicalized into terrorism.

There's only two sides here the radicals and everyone else. Everyone else does include Muslim refugees.

 

[lotus503]

Maybe I got into the discussion too late. I don't think I'm informed enough to have an opinion on whether or not the U.S. is spending too much or too little in the middle east fighting terrorism.

My position is this, what has happened is France is a tragedy. I really have no words because its just that sad. But I don't think because 160+ people have died we need to send ground troops into the mideast to try and get rid of the problem.

1. It wont work
2. We have our owns problems that could use that money.

I'm all for using my tax payer dollars to find the specific people responsible for this and sending them to meet their maker.

 

[Blanky]

I hope the backlash is immense, in particular against the German government for encouraging mass Muslim migration with their asinine OPEN BORDERS policy for MUSLIMS [of all people, are you fucking kidding me ? Most rational people knew something like this would happen].

Best case scenario for Europe - deport its Muslim population back to the shit holes they crawled out of.

In my view Europe is committing suicide with all the refugees and immigrants they are letting in now. Too many who do not laud Europe's culture or want to assimilate and throw away, with a furious fervor, what made their home country such a shit hole to live in. The mass immigration of islam is going to be increasingly ruinous to Europe. I hope they can wake the fuck up before it's too late.

 

[Jaskalas]

Obama should just stay on the golf course the remainder of his presidency...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/politics/obama-isis-contained-decapitated-abc-news/

"Mission Accomplished"...

 

[OCNewbie]

Maybe but what I said is that any large city has a variety of society who is murdered. Even 25% of that 550 is a significant level of possible good citizens. And also those gang members have relatives including little kids who are affected by the gang violence.

I just thought his comparison was inappropriate, but I don't think I fully (or even partially) understood the point he was trying to make.

Well, maybe it's much less than 25%. Those little kids are likely going to end up gang members themselves, though I'm all for having inner-city programs, similar to Big Brothers Big Sisters, to help mentor those young kids, and hopefully given them better role models to follow in the footsteps of.

 

[Blanky]

While this is a hard concept for some here the real enemy is radicalized young men, assuming the identity of the terrorists.

The enemy is not the refugees. We don't even know if these terrorists were refugees or already legally in France. Hell they could have been citizens of France.

Dealing with global terrorism isn't going to be done by losing control of your sphincters, closing borders, (long term), forcing a bunch of refugees to live in war zone to either be killed by ISIS or during military action. Or even worse radicalized into terrorism.

There's only two sides here the radicals and everyone else. Everyone else does include Muslim refugees.

Global terrorism is predominantly a problem of islam by followers of it. So far we've done a fairly good job of keeping this injurious religion away from the west, but as more people from the middle east and islamic portions of africa are immigrating they are bringing along with them the shitty religion they were taught as kids. So, I agree global terrorism cannot be fixed by closing borders. However, it can be massively retarded in any given nation by cutting the inflow of people who practice it.

This attack in france is getting a lot of media attention because the west isn't used to it, because we don't yet have a lot of people who are into this sort of thing. In africa things like this get a blip on CNN and then we're onto the kardashians. Because it happens all the time, because this religious strife is a cancer with no cure.

 

[norseamd]

We don't even know if these terrorists were refugees or already legally in France.

What I have said many times already.

 

[brycejones]

No need to provide a link dipshit. If you were worth my time I could post multiple examples of our useless president refusing to term this kind of incident as the act of Islamic extremists. Links going back all the way to the Ft Hood workplace violence incident.

Obama should just stay on the golf course the remainder of his presidency...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/politics/obama-isis-contained-decapitated-abc-news/

Herp a derp OBAMA herp OBAMA

Pretty pathetic you're using this event as just another opportunity to bitch about Obama. Pretty low even for this place.

 

[norseamd]

Global terrorism is predominantly a problem of islam by followers of it. So far we've done a fairly good job of keeping this injurious religion away from the west, but as more people from the middle east and islamic portions of africa are immigrating they are bringing along with them the shitty religion they were taught as kids. So, I agree global terrorism cannot be fixed by closing borders. However, it can be massively retarded in any given nation by cutting the inflow of people who practice it.

It has less to do with the religion itself, and more to do with sociological conditions of Muslims around the world right now.

 

[OCNewbie]

My position is this, what has happened is France is a tragedy. I really have no words because its just that sad. But I don't think because 160+ people have died we need to send ground troops into the mideast to try and get rid of the problem.

1. It wont work
2. We have our owns problems that could use that money.

I'm all for using my tax payer dollars to find the specific people responsible for this and sending them to meet their maker.

To the bold, and to #1, I pretty much agree. I don't think this is a situation you can defeat with might, unless you're prepared to literally nuke everyone there. That of course would raise all sorts of other problems and would never happen. I'm not sure what the solution is going to be.

 

[Jaskalas]

My position is this, what has happened is France is a tragedy. I really have no words because its just that sad. But I don't think because 160+ people have died we need to send ground troops into the mideast to try and get rid of the problem.

1. It wont work
2. We have our owns problems that could use that money.

I'm all for using my tax payer dollars to find the specific people responsible for this and sending them to meet their maker.

ISIS is a terrorist state that holds territory it captured through military victory over Iraq and Syria. That land can be reclaimed.

 

[brycejones]

While this is a hard concept for some here the real enemy is radicalized young men, assuming the identity of the terrorists.

The enemy is not the refugees. We don't even know if these terrorists were refugees or already legally in France. Hell they could have been citizens of France.

Dealing with global terrorism isn't going to be done by losing control of your sphincters, closing borders, (long term), forcing a bunch of refugees to live in war zone to either be killed by ISIS or during military action. Or even worse radicalized into terrorism.

There's only two sides here the radicals and everyone else. Everyone else does include Muslim refugees.

Exactly, until more details of their backgrounds come to light its way to early to jump to conclusions beyond this was a heinous act perpetrated by scum.

 

[lotus503]

It has less to do with the religion itself, and more to do with sociological conditions of Muslims around the world right now.

agreed, you would never get me to buy into the whole 40 virgin thing, but if I lived in a mud hut in the desert it may seem appealing.

 

[peonyu]

In my view Europe is committing suicide with all the refugees and immigrants they are letting in now. Too many who do not laud Europe's culture or want to assimilate and throw away, with a furious fervor, what made their home country such a shit hole to live in. The mass immigration of islam is going to be increasingly ruinous to Europe. I hope they can wake the fuck up before it's too late.

Well, unless they start deporting now, its to late. Angela Merkel opened the floodgates back in August. In 10 years time, If family reunification is counted [and it should], there could be 20 million Muslims added to Germanys population in just 10 years [Germany has a total population of 80 million today btw]. And that is a low ball figure, my opinion is the migrant issue is just the tip of the iceberg and its never going to stop unless all borders are fortified and people are sent home. The population growth rate in the 3rd world is ridiculous [most 3rd world nations double their population every 22 years] and with Europe waving free handouts, and promising the economic-migrants a free home/car...Those people will try and move there.

And the 20 million number is just for Germany btw. It doesnt count the people moving to Sweden, Italy, the UK, France etc. Europe is being colonized, thats all there is to it.

 

[LegendKiller]

While this is a hard concept for some here the real enemy is radicalized young men, assuming the identity of the terrorists.

The enemy is not the refugees. We don't even know if these terrorists were refugees or already legally in France. Hell they could have been citizens of France.

Dealing with global terrorism isn't going to be done by losing control of your sphincters, closing borders, (long term), forcing a bunch of refugees to live in war zone to either be killed by ISIS or during military action. Or even worse radicalized into terrorism.

There's only two sides here the radicals and everyone else. Everyone else does include Muslim refugees.

This is the problem - allowing radicals into your country results in nothing more than them acting like victims and then taking advantage of you, like Clock Boy. SJWs eat this shit up and cuck the rest of the society while trying to appear enlightened.


You know how you fix this? Keep them in their own countries and let them fuck it up. Bottle them up and let them go back to killing each other.

It was one nice thing about ISIS. It attracted all of the assholes into one spot. The problem is that the Euros got all weepy about it.

 

[lotus503]

ISIS is a terrorist state that holds territory it captured through military victory over Iraq and Syria. That land can be reclaimed.

I think Saudi Arabia needs to do something about it.

 

[LegendKiller]

Well, unless they start deporting now, its to late. Angela Merkel opened the floodgates back in August. In 10 years time, If family reunification is counted [and it should], there could be 20 million Muslims added to Germanys population in just 10 years. And that is a low ball figure, my opinion is the migrant issue is just the tip of the iceberg and its never going to stop unless all borders are fortified and people are sent home. The population growth rate in the 3rd world is ridiculous [most 3rd world nations double their population every 22 years] and with Europe waving free handouts, and promising the economic-migrants a free home/car...Those people will try and move there.

And the 20 million number is just for Germany btw. It doesnt count the people moving to Sweden, Italy, the UK, France etc. Europe is being colonized, thats all there is to it.

Agreed, especially with western countries being too good for marriage and kids. Instead they prefer to "find themselves" and that kind of shit. They will be out-bred, as ISIS stated the goal was. That and they will marry the German women who will have their hearts bleed out for them since the politicians will decry any attempt to stop it as racism.

 

[Knowing]

While this is a hard concept for some here the real enemy is radicalized young men, assuming the identity of the terrorists.

The enemy is not the refugees. We don't even know if these terrorists were refugees or already legally in France. Hell they could have been citizens of France.

There's only two sides here the radicals and everyone else. Everyone else does include Muslim refugees.

The refugees were the vector for the importation of at least tens, probably hundreds or thousands of "radicalized young men." Western leaders willingly accepted this possibility.

 

[LegendKiller]

I think Saudi Arabia needs to do something about it.

They are facing a coup in their own country.

Best thing we could do for ourselves is start a crash program, pour hundreds of billions into researching Fusion, create the first reactor, hide all of its secrets behind the strongest closed doors, export energy any way possible, and let the ME devolved into a hellhole.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

While I don't know if I agree with your proposed measures, I would rather spend the money and resources here in the United states vs another Mideast. war. It sounds to me like you agree with that given your proposing spending money here too.

Then we both agree.

If we want to avoid another situation in which we end up sending troops overseas as a reflex reaction to a terrorist attack in the same vein as what occurred in France then we are going to have to secure our own nation by enforcing our laws, securing our borders and screening people who want to come in order to avoid another adventure overseas.

However allowing PC bullshit like sanctuary cities and other flagrant non-enforcement of our immigration laws needs to stop now. We have been given a chance to learn from the horrible events in France. An open door immigration policy without any standards in place to control who can and cannot come in is beyond stupid and naive. Worst of all such a policy has been shown to lead to the loss of innocent lives over and over again.

 

[norseamd]

I think Saudi Arabia needs to do something about it.

They should, but Salman is not exactly a ruler of any quality at all.

It would be more effective to work with Jordan, Kuwait, and the Kurds, and maybe even start working with Syria and Iran in a coalition to fix this shithole.

 

[norseamd]

They are facing a coup in their own country.

What kind of coup are you referring to here?

If it is the coup I am thinking of then that coup is possibly the only chance Saudi Arabia has at all.

 

[redgtxdi]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQmCZjJ0k

 

[lotus503]

They are facing a coup in their own country.

I wouldn't go that far, My main point is the Mideast is a mess and the Mideast should clean it up. Our involvement there has not been an overall positive thing.