Deadly Shootings, Explosions In Paris

[Slew Foot]

Totally brah.

Thank you. Next week I will be curing cancer and aids all in one day.

Yeah? Well I changed my profile picture to the french flag and then put the facebook filter on top of that. BOOYAH!

 

[sportage]

You can't think of these terrorist in the same old way.
The new terrorist movement are largely social media motivated and all it takes is a little persuasion to bring them aboard.
They are everywhere.
Just like with politics or say Bernie Sanders, where people are motivated and find reason to going the cause.
ISIS works the same way. They don't need to send people over to Paris or any other country to cause mayhem. All they need to do it motivate a few people locally in some region then let nature take its course.
The NEW terrorist are self motivating.
They can pop up anywhere, and can also be citizens of the society or the locality.
The nice kid next door.
HOW can you fight against THAT?

And how much do you want your social media monitored, policed, or blocked?
No more facebook? Twitter?
Bernie Sanders can take to social media and raise millions of dollars and millions of supporters.
How is the mo of ISIS different?
And HOW can you fight against THAT?

With the easy availability of guns and home made bombs, all it take is one loyal follower, or two, and there you are.
A terrorist attack in your home town with absolutely no warning or detection by law enforcement yet alone detection by homeland security.

I suppose part of the solution could start at home. Knowing your kid and raising them correctly, what ever that means?
Or more strict gun control?
Higher security at every gathering place, and that includes before entering any restaurant, theater, school, church, mall, grocery store, etc etc.
How can you fight against THIS?

 

[mikeymikec]

What I found a bit odd was how long it took for ISIS to claim responsibility. This attack is going on and they are applauding it via social media. Then the next day they announce responsibility? Why the time lapse?

I thought that too. Maybe there was a facepalm moment at ISIS HQ when they realised that they still hadn't officially admitted responsibility for it yet.

"Christ guys, that's the last time we're multiplayer gaming during work hours!

 

[bshole]

Some flea-brained gnat in this very thread (I will not name him) said it was a physical impossibility that ANY of the attackers were Syrian refugees.

Obama is NOT shutting down the flood of refugees from Syria, although governors are now starting to.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.686299

The key news is that one of eight attackers was a Syrian-passport holder who arrived in Greece on Oct. 3 on a boat from Turkey, and then was registered as seeking asylum in Serbia on Oct. 7, according to various reports. So far, the Serbian interior ministry has identified the man only as “A.A.,” but his actual identity is nominally relevant.

 

[Jaskalas]

Some flea-brained gnat in this very thread (I will not name him) said it was a physical impossibility that ANY of the attackers were Syrian refugees.

Obama is NOT shutting down the flood of refugees from Syria, although governors are now starting to.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.686299

I suspect the next move is to diminish him as just one of eight.
"He wasn't important"
"They could have done it without him"

 

[allisolm]

I suspect the next move is to diminish him as just one of eight.
"He wasn't important"
"They could have done it without him"

Personally, I don't know what that one man's role was. Perhaps he had the entire plans for all 6 attack sites tattooed on his body.

 

[fskimospy]

I suspect the next move is to diminish him as just one of eight.
"He wasn't important"
"They could have done it without him"

Only time will tell who all the people are in the end, but it would certainly stand to reason that France letting in Syrian refugees was likely not a major component of this attack if seven of the eight people involved weren't Syrian refugees, no?

 

[woolfe9998]

Only time will tell who all the people are in the end, but it would certainly stand to reason that France letting in Syrian refugees was likely not a major component of this attack if seven of the eight people involved weren't Syrian refugees, no?

I agree with this, including your IF. Meaning also the contra - that IF indeed many of them were refugees, it will cut the other way.

I'm on the fence about this refugee situation. I don't want to deny refugees a haven from the violence they are running from. It's inhumane. But if it turns out that hiding amongst refugees has now become a common tactic for the terrorists and it is creating a major security problem in and of itself, taking in more refugees will be a tough sell. Which would be too bad for the bulk of the refugees who are not terrorists and who are in a dire situation. But that will be yet another gift of the terrorists to their fellow Muslims, very much akin to their tendency to use Muslim civilians as human shields. It will be hard to blame the Europeans though, as said you, IF it turns out that a large number of them came in this way.

 

[flexy]

that France letting in Syrian refugees was likely not a major component of this attack if seven of the eight people involved weren't Syrian refugees, no?

No it was not a major component AT ALL, in the same way as none of the 9/11 attackers had been a refugee.

NEVERTHELESS, and you know it and I know it, the "refugee trojan horse" BS *will* become the #1 debated thing now for your coming elections, and (what an amazing surprise!) Trump is already spouting his verbal diarrhea.

Who would have thought? /SARCASm

But if it turns out that hiding amongst refugees has now become a common tactic for the terrorists and it is creating a major security problem in and of itself, taking in more refugees will be a tough sell.

A even more tough sell (to any halfway smart person) should be how stopping refugees or immigration would prevent terrorism? I mean we know (for now) that only ONE of them posed as refugee. What about the rest? Terrorists don't have to line-up with refugees if they want to enter a country, if they're not even present in a specific country already. Making refugees #1 issue here would be extremely ineffective, it won't to anything to curb terrorism.

 

[woolfe9998]

No it was not a major component AT ALL, in the same way as none of the 9/11 attackers had been a refugee.

Since they don't know the origin of most of the attackers at this point, you have zero reason to draw this conclusion, just as others have zero reason to draw the opposite conclusion.

 

[TechBoyJK]

They know several of them were French Nationals.

 

[allisolm]

Since they don't know the origin of most of the attackers at this point, you have zero reason to draw this conclusion, just as others have zero reason to draw the opposite conclusion.

Actually they do know the origin of most of the attackers.

1. Bilal Hadfi Belgian resident - dead
2. Ahmad al Muhammad (false name) came in with Syrian refugees - dead
3. Samy Amimour French native - dead
4. Ismael Omar Mostefai French citizen - dead
5. Ibrahim Abdeslam French citizen - dead
6. Salah Abdeslam Belgian born French national - on the loose, is a suspect
7. Identity unknown

 

[woolfe9998]

Actually they do know the origin of most of the attackers.

1. Bilal Hadfi Belgian resident - dead
2. Ahmad al Muhammad (false name) came in with Syrian refugees - dead
3. Samy Amimour French native - dead
4. Ismael Omar Mostefai French citizen - dead
5. Ibrahim Abdeslam French citizen - dead
6. Salah Abdeslam Belgian born French national - on the loose, is a suspect
7. Identity unknown

So it's a maximum of 2 who could have been refugees. That's good.

Edit: in addition to these 7, there seems to be possibly an 8th who is at large.

 

[flexy]

6. Is believed to have fled to Spain. Could be right here or close-by where I live. Sort of weird to imagine.
(No surprise there, seeing that there was NO customs or controls whatsoever when we moved here, the airport was literally empty because of siesta time. Guy could have come here and no-one noticed. Open borders.....)

On the other hand, makes sense, Spain just south of France...so it's logical he fled here rather than, say, to Germany or the UK.

 

[sportage]

Oh our poor President Obama.
Taking all the heat.

Only republican retardation with their tossed in flawed ideology could have destabilized the middle east so effectively, so thoroughly, and now republicans turn it all around to blame someone else?
Beginning to see a trend here?

This ALL goes directly BACK to the GW Bush and VP Dick Cheney administration.
The very administration many of YOU voted for. TWICE!
(stage direction: look down, tail between the legs)
As with the economy, where it was then up to Obama to fix the economy and get people working again, Obama is expected to once again use his magic fairy dust to fix the terrorist rats nest that Bush and VP Cheney have created.

And remember too, the republican house and senate has done NOTHING to help this president even if Obama had the magic fairy dust to eliminate terrorist and ISIS.
Our republican congress would NEVER go along simply because it would NOT be in their best interest.
But mine you, defeating Obama "is" in their best interest.
And their ONLY interest.

GW really screwed things up, really bad, terribly bad, for everyone.
And now, no one cares to link those failed Bush-Cheney policies over in the middle east to events of today.

And God forbid all we need now are more of the same old republican war ideology to supposedly win out against terrorism?
GW and VP Dick. The gift that just keeps on giving... and giving... and giving....

PS. And YES this is exactly the right time to lay the blame, point the fingers.
Because if one cannot determine where they went terribly wrong in the past (as a nation), one can never solve the problems of the future.

Next time any republican candidate goes on TV slam blasting Obama or giving "their" solution as feasible, simply piss on your TV.
Maybe, just maybe that will get through to them?
That old trickle-down theory.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

I suspect the next move is to diminish him as just one of eight.
"He wasn't important"
"They could have done it without him"

One of the immediately previous posters proved you right.

 

[JSt0rm]

Oh our poor President Obama.
Taking all the heat.

Only republican retardation with their tossed in flawed ideology could have destabilized the middle east so effectively, so thoroughly, and now republicans turn it all around to blame someone else?
Beginning to see a trend here?

This ALL goes directly BACK to the GW Bush and VP Dick Cheney administration.
The very administration many of YOU voted for. TWICE!
(stage direction: look down, tail between the legs)
As with the economy, where it was then up to Obama to fix the economy and get people working again, Obama is expected to once again use his magic fairy dust to fix the terrorist rats nest that Bush and VP Cheney have created.

And remember too, the republican house and senate has done NOTHING to help this president even if Obama had the magic fairy dust to eliminate terrorist and ISIS.
Our republican congress would NEVER go along simply because it would NOT be in their best interest.
But mine you, defeating Obama "is" in their best interest.
And their ONLY interest.

GW really screwed things up, really bad, terribly bad, for everyone.
And now, no one cares to link those failed Bush-Cheney policies over in the middle east to events of today.

And God forbid all we need now are more of the same old republican war ideology to supposedly win out against terrorism?
GW and VP Dick. The gift that just keeps on giving... and giving... and giving....

PS. And YES this is exactly the right time to lay the blame, point the fingers.
Because if one cannot determine where they went terribly wrong in the past (as a nation), one can never solve the problems of the future.

Next time any republican candidate goes on TV slam blasting Obama or giving "their" solution as feasible, simply piss on your TV.
Maybe, just maybe that will get through to them?
That old trickle-down theory.

Yup all of this.

 

[OutHouse]

its way past time to bomb the living shit out of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

 

[Strk]

I think it is sad that, when all is said and done, we're still supporting these assholes. They support things like what just happened in Paris in their support for the spread of Wahabism.

 

[Darwin333]

Like I said in another thread, when does the threat of middle eastern sourced terrorism warrant the complete annihilation of the region?
At what point does the terrorism threaten the very existence of our society?
Of our way of life?
Could it become necessary to wipe huge sections of the middle east completely off the face of the earth?

No, it is never necessary nor is it right to commit genocide. Going after the bad guys is fine, accidental civilian casualties in such attacks are horrible as it is but intentionally wiping out the good with the bad? Are you serious?

 

[michal1980]

oh our poor president obama.
Taking all the heat.

Only republican retardation with their tossed in flawed ideology could have destabilized the middle east so effectively, so thoroughly, and now republicans turn it all around to blame someone else?
Beginning to see a trend here?

This all goes directly back to the gw bush and vp dick cheney administration.
The very administration many of you voted for. Twice!
(stage direction: Look down, tail between the legs)
as with the economy, where it was then up to obama to fix the economy and get people working again, obama is expected to once again use his magic fairy dust to fix the terrorist rats nest that bush and vp cheney have created.

And remember too, the republican house and senate has done nothing to help this president even if obama had the magic fairy dust to eliminate terrorist and isis.
Our republican congress would never go along simply because it would not be in their best interest.
But mine you, defeating obama "is" in their best interest.
And their only interest.

Gw really screwed things up, really bad, terribly bad, for everyone.
And now, no one cares to link those failed bush-cheney policies over in the middle east to events of today.

And god forbid all we need now are more of the same old republican war ideology to supposedly win out against terrorism?
Gw and vp dick. The gift that just keeps on giving... And giving... And giving....

Ps. And yes this is exactly the right time to lay the blame, point the fingers.
Because if one cannot determine where they went terribly wrong in the past (as a nation), one can never solve the problems of the future.

Next time any republican candidate goes on tv slam blasting obama or giving "their" solution as feasible, simply piss on your tv.
Maybe, just maybe that will get through to them?
That old trickle-down theory.

yup all of this.

busssshh rararararrara

 

[JSt0rm]

busssshh rararararrara

your mind = D:

 

[Darwin333]

Oh our poor President Obama.
Taking all the heat.

---snip---

So it's GW's fault and the actions of America that caused France to get attacked by terrorists?

 

[MongGrel]

I blame Charlemagne.

 

[marincounty]

So it's GW's fault and the actions of America that caused France to get attacked by terrorists?

Exactly. Thanks Bush. You think destabilizing the middle east would have zero consequences?
Coming to a town near you soon.
But don't feel sorry for Bush and Cheney, they live in gated communities and are protected 24/7 by Secret Service agents. They will be fine.