Deadly Shootings, Explosions In Paris

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Sulaco

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Exactly. Thanks Bush. You think destabilizing the middle east would have zero consequences?
Coming to a town near you soon.
But don't feel sorry for Bush and Cheney, they live in gated communities and are protected 24/7 by Secret Service agents. They will be fine.

Yeah. Because it's not like there were any catastrophic terrorist attacks stemming from Islamic extremism prior to the Iraq war.

 

Brian Stirling

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I heard McCain, Graham and some NY anti terrorist guy all say we need to bring back NSA "oversight" and we need tech companies to encrypt less stuff so we can prevent attacks like these. Kind of weird how these guys think to protect freedom we should give a bunch up.


Nothing the NSA was doing or is doing would have detected this attack because the bad guys know we're listening and have stopped using unencrypted electronic communications. The nutjob Admiral Wolsey was on TV just yesterday blaming Snowden for this, but the bad guys have been going dark for many years before Snowden made his release.

Our intelligence services are pathetic. They want to spy on EVERYONE and don't want to focus on the actual threats -- they want to be able to know what you and I are doing. When handed information about the Tsarnaev bothers by Russian security services did we keep an eye on them -- no, we let them complete there plan and detonate two bombs at the Boston marathon.

The bad guys are not as dumb as we like to think they are and they are clearly much smarter than assholes like Admiral Wolsey. He blames Snowden while the bad guys have been going dark for more than a decade.


Brian
 

Jaskalas

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Opps. Guess this migrant DID matter.

Sick taunts of the Paris mastermind: Jihadist boasts of freely crossing Europe's borders and mocks police who had him in their clutches

  • ISIS jihadi Abdelhamid Abaaoud has shuttled between Syria and Europe, exploiting the migrant crisis on EU borders
  • The mastermind of the horrific terror attacks travelled across Europe despite being on several wanted lists
  • He recruited two brothers he had known since childhood to carry out Friday's murders of 129 people
  • The jihadi was even featured in ISIS's propaganda magazine Dabiq, bragging about his terror plans for Europe
 

LegendKiller

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This country is full of fucking cucks.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...witter/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social


This guy makes Neville Chamberlain look like a genius.

It's amazing to me that this type of shit can happen at this point. Fucktards like him rip on Republicans for being intolerance, Hitlery calls them her "enemy", and Bernie wants to love them all, but these are the same people who will throw gays off buildings, slaughter tens of thousands of Christians, Kurds, and Yazidis..etc. They will make treaties with Iran while they say "Death to America" and arrest our people on a whim.
 

Vic

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This country is full of fucking cucks.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...witter/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social


This guy makes Neville Chamberlain look like a genius.

It's amazing to me that this type of shit can happen at this point. Fucktards like him rip on Republicans for being intolerance, Hitlery calls them her "enemy", and Bernie wants to love them all, but these are the same people who will throw gays off buildings, slaughter tens of thousands of Christians, Kurds, and Yazidis..etc. They will make treaties with Iran while they say "Death to America" and arrest our people on a whim.

Whoa.. a minor statehouse rep. That is a step up from the usual random tweet or blog that Breitbart typically uses to generate outrage against all that is Liberalism.
 

senseamp

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Opps. Guess this migrant DID matter.

Sick taunts of the Paris mastermind: Jihadist boasts of freely crossing Europe's borders and mocks police who had him in their clutches

  • ISIS jihadi Abdelhamid Abaaoud has shuttled between Syria and Europe, exploiting the migrant crisis on EU borders
  • The mastermind of the horrific terror attacks travelled across Europe despite being on several wanted lists
  • He recruited two brothers he had known since childhood to carry out Friday's murders of 129 people
  • The jihadi was even featured in ISIS's propaganda magazine Dabiq, bragging about his terror plans for Europe
Separated at birth?

 

mikeymikec

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Some flea-brained gnat in this very thread (I will not name him) said it was a physical impossibility that ANY of the attackers were Syrian refugees.

I personally wouldn't use words like "impossible" because there's always a chance of something happening, but back to your point.

A refugee is someone who is seeking refuge from something, yes? In this case, a Syrian refugee is someone is trying to flee from war. This person very likely had a job in Syria before things went to pot, possibly a family, friends, etc. In short, a life they generally enjoyed. The war in question includes ISIS as one of the active forces involved.

So, does it make sense that someone who is fleeing from war would seek to create a war-like situation in the country they're fleeing to, to aid one of the belligerents in the war they're fleeing from?

Here's a much more plausible explanation: Someone got in to France pretending to be a refugee.

One could argue that such a person genuinely sought refuge in France then was radicalised, but again I think it's a heck of a lot more likely that such a person would have joined in the war in Syria in the first place, for the reason I already stated.
 
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woolfe9998

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I personally wouldn't use words like "impossible" because there's always a chance of something happening, but back to your point.

A refugee is someone who is seeking refuge from something, yes? In this case, a Syrian refugee is someone is trying to flee from war. This person very likely had a job in Syria before things went to pot, possibly a family, friends, etc. In short, a life they generally enjoyed. The war in question includes ISIS as one of the active forces involved.

So, does it make sense that someone who is fleeing from war would seek to create a war-like situation in the country they're fleeing to, to aid one of the belligerents in the war they're fleeing from?

Here's a much more plausible explanation: Someone got in to France pretending to be a refugee.

One could argue that such a person genuinely sought refuge in France then was radicalised, but again I think it's a heck of a lot more likely that such a person would have joined in the war in Syria in the first place, for the reason I already stated.

This is true but somewhat misses the point. It doesn't matter if the attacker is an actual refugee or a terrorist who took advantage of the refugee situation to slip into the country. It isn't about blaming the refugees. It's about safety and from that perspective it doesn't really matter if the terrorist is a refugee or just someone pretending to be because either way he wouldn't have gotten in had they not taken the refugees in.

That said, I'm not convinced that the single attacker coming in with the refugees made all the difference here. In the end it may not matter though because people tend to react by going to extremes when they feel unsafe. We're already talking about not letting even a small number into the US and we haven't even been attacked yet.
 

MongGrel

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Saudi Arabia has been one of the biggest problems in the ME since even the 50's when oil was found.

Just my two cents, they have been propped up since then and have turned that area into a playground for the rich for decades now.

While just sitting on the side while others pander to them.

UAE in general, sure we'll kill a bunch of migrant people to build a soccer stadium to play in blistering weather.

Why not.
 
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mikeymikec

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This is true but somewhat misses the point. It doesn't matter if the attacker is an actual refugee or a terrorist who took advantage of the refugee situation to slip into the country. It isn't about blaming the refugees. It's about safety and from that perspective it doesn't really matter if the terrorist is a refugee or just someone pretending to be because either way he wouldn't have gotten in had they not taken the refugees in.

That said, I'm not convinced that the single attacker coming in with the refugees made all the difference here. In the end it may not matter though because people tend to react by going to extremes when they feel unsafe. We're already talking about not letting even a small number into the US and we haven't even been attacked yet.

It is for a lot of people! refugees/muslims/immigrants/darkies/terrorists/imnotbigotedmuch. Christ, look at the headlines of 'hate rags' like the Daily Mail leading up to the incident of dead kids washing up on European shores, those media outlets were pushing the "immigrants are our enemy" line on a regular basis, and if there weren't millions of people who 'enjoyed' lapping up headlines like that, the media outlets wouldn't be pushing such headlines. As soon as bodies of children turned up on European shores, suddenly they changed their tune without skipping a beat. Of course the people who easily believe that 'foreigners should be treated as possible terrorists' don't change their tune quite so easily, their racism was a bit more closeted before the likes of Al-Qaeda hit the headlines.

Otherwise I agree with what you're saying, except I would say that anyone is reasonably resourceful and determined enough will likely get past border security of any country.
 
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norseamd

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UAE in general, sure we'll kill a bunch of migrant people to build a soccer stadium to play in blistering weather.

That has probably happened in United Arab Emirates, but it is probably Qatar that you are thinking of.
 

michal1980

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It is for a lot of people! refugees/muslims/immigrants/darkies/imnotbigotedmuch. Christ, look at the headlines of 'hate rags' like the Daily Mail leading up to the incident of dead kids washing up on European shores, those media outlets were pushing the "immigrants are our enemy" line on a regular basis, and if there weren't millions of people who 'enjoyed' lapping up headlines like that, the media outlets wouldn't be pushing such headlines. As soon as bodies of children turned up on European shores, suddenly they changed their tune without skipping a beat. Of course the people who easily believe that 'foreigners should be treated as possible terrorists' don't change their tune quite so easily, their racism was a bit more closeted before the likes of Al-Qaeda hit the headlines.

Otherwise I agree with what you're saying, except I would say that anyone is reasonably resourceful and determined enough will likely get past border security of any country.

Pulling out the racist card again huh.

Its not like theres a common theme in these attacks on France.

You cant be that stupid to ignore the link between Islam and terrorist attacks in France.

Or maybe as a liberal you are. Because job 1 for you is to be a SJW.
 

mikeymikec

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You cant be that stupid to ignore the link between Islam and terrorist attacks in France.
I was talking about how some people like to equate refugees with other groups of people they don't like. What are you talking about? Is it relevant to the point I was making?
 
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JockoJohnson

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I was talking about how some people like to equate refugees with other groups of people they don't like. What are you talking about? Is it relevant to the point I was making?

Not sure about Michal but what I got from your point is that anyone who doesn't want the refugees must be a racist.

When wearing racist colored glasses, everyone looks like a racist.
 

dank69

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Not sure about Michal but what I got from your point is that anyone who doesn't want the refugees must be a racist.

When wearing racist colored glasses, everyone looks like a racist.

Not necessarily racist, but definitely ignorant.
 

umbrella39

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I was talking about how some people like to equate refugees with other groups of people they don't like. What are you talking about? Is it relevant to the point I was making?

Don't confuse this stuck on partisan stupic fuckstain. This is what happens when you eat so much you get stuck in your parents basement and they have to remove walls to get you out with a forklift. Bitter...
 

LegendKiller

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Whoa.. a minor statehouse rep. That is a step up from the usual random tweet or blog that Breitbart typically uses to generate outrage against all that is Liberalism.
Whoa, just another liberal defending radical Islam and hoping to flood the us with them. But we know who they are. Ohh, shit, even dhs admitted we don't. Let them in anyway!
I was talking about how some people like to equate refugees with other groups of people they don't like. What are you talking about? Is it relevant to the point I was making?
 

LegendKiller

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Not necessarily racist, but definitely ignorant.
It is not ignorant to force politicians to protect their constituents first and not a Syrian. It is their job, it is what they were elected to do. How about this, we can let them in, but then it is the personal responsibility of Obama, jeh johnson, and state governors. If one of these guys start preaching American hate or blow up some innocents, it is all on them. 100% criminal liability.

Obama, and the rest, go to prison for endangering americans. If he is willing to sign up for that, let them in.

The problem is, politicians don't give a shit.
 

Vic

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Whoa, just another liberal defending radical Islam and hoping to flood the us with them. But we know who they are. Ohh, shit, even dhs admitted we don't. Let them in anyway!
Have you considered medication for your paranoia and anxiety disorders?
 

fskimospy

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Do you have any concern for your fellow americans?

Remember how hysterical you got about Ebola?

Because the same procedure used to take gloves off for first aid is going to work for a highly infectious disease.

This is the mentality that pervades our government at this point. "It's only a few people, more people die of alcoholism". Are you a fucking moron? You can't catch alcoholism. You can't transmit it. But you can catch/transmit a virus that has a 50%+ mortality rate where you fucking bleed out of your eyes.

Furthermore, the more cases the more likelihood that it mutates into something far worse, like a completely airborn virus, then we are uber-fucked.

Quarantine those countries. Shut off all air traffic coming out of them unless people flying out have been in quarantine themselves for 3 weeks. Shut off their borders fly massive amounts of supplies in.

Considering how ridiculously wrong you were in that case, do you think that might have any lessons for this one?
 

FerrelGeek

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Some people certainly do, but most of the people I know understand how easy it is for ISIS to slip into the flood of legit refugees, and that's their concern. Also, when reports come out of how many of the refugees are men of 'fighting age' and hearing stories of how some to the refugees are behaving in the host countries (look at Sweden) isn't helping their cause.

I was talking about how some people like to equate refugees with other groups of people they don't like. What are you talking about? Is it relevant to the point I was making?
 
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