To be clear, I don't want to nation build in either country. I want us to go in with an overwhelming force and sweep through their territories on a search and destroy mission, then go home.
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And the fact that Bush's disastrous Iraq war had a hand in creating a fertile environment for Isis only strengthens the argument here.
???? Bush created ISIS in warfare without adequate rebuilding, and yet you're so idiotic as to desire war and then leave a region to ruin???
You dumb, bi-polar fuck.
Nothing learned.
Failed states encourage the fresh and anarchistic freedom to create new extremist groups.
What became ISIS was in the genesis of the USA incompetently manufacturing a failed state that the USA then had a major hand in encouraging and enraging sectarian division, marginalisation, and violence.
Yes, centuries old western meddling in the region began a jig-saw recipe for instability in the Middle East, but the extremism and violence of ISIS's inception is laid directly at the hands of the USA.
Much of the ludicrous disbanding of the Iraqi state army left tens-of-thousands of disgruntled Sunnis who went home, unemployed, and to then face Shia repression, and later an undemocratic coup supported by the USA to empower an even more violent and marginalising Iraqi leadership. Moderate Sunni territories went to an allegiance that desperation forced them into the hands of many former Iraq army members who were radically abused and violated under incarceration by the bush-league USA. Once there, the violent and threats will not so easily let them go.
The USA directly laid the foundation for ISIS.
Yet, Woolfe is so ignorant of history, that his rah-rah jingoism calls for further destruction and violation to sow the seeds for yet another group of radicals to emerge from. No solution offered -- only revenge bloodlust. Perpetuate the destructive circle.
Militarily? You go in (
only with JUST and valid cause) and then have the sense and balls to finish the job. That job is the responsibility of security, respect, justification, and rebuild. Invest the time. You don't play a GI Joe fantasy of a glorious battle, pre-maturely ejaculate with MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, and then run away.
Beyond that? Assad's regime is demonstrably more violent in its tallies of victims. ISIS gains the greater derision as a few acts (and some uncoordinated sideshows) directly target the West.
We matter more...fuck brown Muslims... Force them all home to the horrors they deserve..
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.....On a related note -- I am proud of my new Canadian government's respect and care for humanity. I welcome the proposed arrival of 25,000 men, woman, and children, desperately fleeing the horrors that are not of their own making. May that come with welcome this year and many more in need in the years that follow. Great states grow with the arrival of new and determined lives.
This thread's dominating theme of xenophobic hatred and derision of Muslims -- as of Jews in a Germany of Europe of the past -- is utterly revolting. Such far right generalised hatred and even calls for crime (forced deportation based upon religion) is inexcusable and yet regularly expected in the despicable culture that some AnandTech member's wish to perpetuate.