Deadly Shootings, Explosions In Paris

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Whiskey16

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Yes, "Muslims":
I was offended until I realized that you assumed and added "[Muslims]" to his post and acted offended when he was almost certainly talking about murderous extremists. Good job.
My assumption for his call for exterminating genocide upon "Muslims," was correct, as he had an opportunity to refute my charges, and yet did not, rather Anubis affirmed Muslims were his target to be "removed like the cancer they are:"

when are we as humanity going to collectively agree that some people/groups [Muslims] can not be reasoned with through diplomacy and politics and just bite the bullet and remove them from existence?

i fully understand how bad that sounds but unfortunately it is the truth.

its not limited to Muslims, and no i do not hate them
the affiliation of a group of people who threaten global peace does not matter they are all the same and need to be removed like the cancer they are
Care to remain offended?

Abubis had an opportunity to deny any charges for him making a call to genocide against a targeted people. I am welcome to correction. Instead, he not only affirmed my assumption of him talking targeting Muslims, yet persevered with his incitement to "remove them from existence....removed like the cancer they are."

Certainly not acceptable presentations of speech upon a forum that has limits against violent extremism.

Anubis is certainly not the first member, nor sadly the last, to abuse this forum to advocate high crimes of terrorism and genocide on a targeted people
 
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HamburgerBoy

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What about...?

"the affiliation of a group of people who threaten global peace does not matter they are all the same"

Cuck.
 

norseamd

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What is your point with those pictures, norseamd? That fundamentalist Islam is inherently opposed to the ways of the rest of the civilized world?

Fundamentalist Islam?

More or less.

You should read The Clash of Civilizations if you have not already. It was talking about Islamic extremism years before 9/11 and the War on Terror. Honestly I need to read more of it as I have mostly just been looking through it.
 

norseamd

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More Islamic terror attacks in the first 6 months of this year than in the entire decade of the 90's. If you were to look at the data in this link and plot it into a line graph, it would look something like a hockey stick.

Or just much more thorough and complete documentation.
 

Svnla

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No ideas here?

Are you playing stupid here? You quoted my post (with several links about attacks by Muslims in several countries to another poster) with this statement "As above pictures" and I suppose to read your freaking mind? WTF is your point with post #447?

Either you answer my question with answer or don't bother me/quote my post. I do not play stupid game.
 
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norseamd

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Are you playing stupid here? You quoted my post with several links about attacks by Muslims in several countries with this statement "As above pictures" and I suppose to read your freaking mind?

Either you answer my question with answer or don't bother me/quote my post. I do not play stupid games.

The Clash of Civilizations (COC) is a theory that people's cultural and religious identities will be the primary source of conflict in the post-Cold War world. It was proposed by political scientist Samuel P. Huntington in a 1992 lecture[1] at the American Enterprise Institute, which was then developed in a 1993 Foreign Affairs article titled "The Clash of Civilizations?",[2] in response to his former student Francis Fukuyama's 1992 book, The End of History and the Last Man. Huntington later expanded his thesis in a 1996 book The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order. The phrase itself was earlier used by Albert Camus in 1946,[3] and by Bernard Lewis in an article in the September 1990 issue of The Atlantic Monthly titled "The Roots of Muslim Rage".[4] Even earlier, the phrase appears in a 1926 book regarding the Middle East by Basil Mathews: Young Islam on Trek: A Study in the Clash of Civilizations (p. 196).
This expression derives from clash of cultures, already used during the colonial period and the Belle Époque.[5]
Huntington began his thinking by surveying the diverse theories about the nature of global politics in the post-Cold War period. Some theorists and writers argued that human rights, liberal democracy, and capitalist free market economy had become the only remaining ideological alternative for nations in the post-Cold War world. Specifically, Francis Fukuyama argued that the world had reached the 'end of history' in a Hegelian sense.
Huntington believed that while the age of ideology had ended, the world had only reverted to a normal state of affairs characterized by cultural conflict. In his thesis, he argued that the primary axis of conflict in the future will be along cultural and religious lines.[6]
As an extension, he posits that the concept of different civilizations, as the highest rank of cultural identity, will become increasingly useful in analyzing the potential for conflict.
In the 1993 Foreign Affairs article, Huntington writes:
It is my hypothesis that the fundamental source of conflict in this new world will not be primarily ideological or primarily economic. The great divisions among humankind and the dominating source of conflict will be cultural. Nation states will remain the most powerful actors in world affairs, but the principal conflicts of global politics will occur between nations and groups of different civilizations. The clash of civilizations will dominate global politics. The fault lines between civilizations will be the battle lines of the future.[2]
In the end of the article, he writes:
This is not to advocate the desirability of conflicts between civilizations. It is to set forth descriptive hypothesis as to what the future may be like.[2]
In addition, the clash of civilizations, for Huntington, represents a development of history. In the old time, the history of international system was mainly about the struggles between monarchs, nations and ideologies. Those conflicts were primarily seen within Western civilization. But after the end of the cold war, world politics had been moved into a new aspect in which non- Western civilizations were no more the exploited recipients of Western civilization but become another important actor joining the West to shape and move the world history.[7]

Russia and India are what Huntington terms 'swing civilizations' and may favor either side. Russia, for example, clashes with the many Muslim ethnic groups on its southern border (such as Chechnya) but—according to Huntington—cooperates with Iran to avoid further Muslim-Orthodox violence in Southern Russia, and to help continue the flow of oil. Huntington argues that a "Sino-Islamic connection" is emerging in which China will cooperate more closely with Iran, Pakistan, and other states to augment its international position.


Huntington also argues that civilizational conflicts are "particularly prevalent between Muslims and non-Muslims", identifying the "bloody borders" between Islamic and non-Islamic civilizations. This conflict dates back as far as the initial thrust of Islam into Europe,[citation needed] its eventual expulsion in the Iberian reconquest and the attacks of the Ottoman Turks on Eastern Europe and Vienna. Huntington also believes that some of the factors contributing to this conflict are that both Christianity (which has influenced Western civilization) and Islam are:

  • Missionary religions, seeking conversion of others
  • Universal, "all-or-nothing" religions, in the sense that it is believed by both sides that only their faith is the correct one
  • Teleological religions, that is, that their values and beliefs represent the goals of existence and purpose in human existence.
  • Religions that perceive irreligious people who violate the base principles of those religions to be furthering their own pointless aims, which leads to violent interactions.
More recent factors contributing to a Western-Islamic clash, Huntington wrote, are the Islamic Resurgence and demographic explosion in Islam, coupled with the values of Western universalism—that is, the view that all civilizations should adopt Western values—that infuriate Islamic fundamentalists. All these historical and modern factors combined, Huntington wrote briefly in his Foreign Affairs article and in much more detail in his 1996 book, would lead to a bloody clash between the Islamic and Western civilizations. The political party Hizb ut-Tahrir also reiterate Huntington's views in their published book, The Inevitability of Clash of Civilisation.[10]
Why Civilizations will Clash

Huntington offers six explanations for why civilizations will clash:

  1. Differences among civilizations are too basic in that civilizations are differentiated from each other by history, language, culture, tradition, and, most important, religion. These fundamental differences are the product of centuries, so they will not soon disappear.
  2. The world is becoming a smaller place. As a result, the interactions across the world are increasing, and they intensify civilization consciousness and awareness of differences between civilizations and commonalities within civilizations.
  3. Due to the economic modernization and social change, people are separated from longstanding local identities. Instead, religion has replaced this gap, which provides a basis for identity and commitment that transcends national boundaries and unites civilizations.
  4. The growth of civilization-consciousness is enhanced by the dual role of the West. On the one hand, the West is at a peak of power. At the same time, a return-to-the-roots phenomenon is occurring among non-Western civilizations. A West at the peak of its power confronts non-Western countries that increasingly have the desire, the will and the resources to shape the world in non-Western ways.
  5. Cultural characteristics and differences are less mutable and hence less easily compromised and resolved than political and economic ones.
  6. Economic regionalism is increasing. Successful economic regionalism will reinforce civilization-consciousness. Economic regionalism may succeed only when it is rooted in a common civilization.
The West versus the Rest

Huntington suggests that in the future the central axis of world politics tends to be the conflict between Western and non-Western civilizations, in Kishore Mahbubani's phrase, the conflict between "the West and the Rest." He offers three forms of general actions that non-Western civilization can take in response to Western countries.[11]

  1. Non-Western countries can attempt to achieve isolation in order to preserve their own values and protect themselves from Western invasion. However, Huntington argues that the costs of this action are high and only a few states can pursue it.
  2. According to the theory of "band-wagoning" non-Western countries can join and accept Western values.
  3. Non-Western countries can make an effort to balance Western power through modernization. They can develop economic, military power and cooperate with other non-Western countries against the West while still preserving their own values and institutions. Huntington believes that the increasing power of non-Western civilizations in international society will make the West begin to develop a better understanding of the cultural fundamentals underlying other civilizations. Therefore, Western civilization will cease to be regarded as "universal" but different civilizations will learn to coexist and join to shape the future world.
Core state and fault line conflicts

In Huntington's view, intercivilizational conflict manifests itself in two forms: fault line conflicts and core state conflicts.



Fault line conflicts are on a local level and occur between adjacent states belonging to different civilizations or within states that are home to populations from different civilizations.


Core state conflicts are on a global level between the major states of different civilizations. Core state conflicts can arise out of fault line conflicts when core states become involved.[12]



These conflicts may result from a number of causes, such as: relative influence or power (military or economic), discrimination against people from a different civilization, intervention to protect kinsmen in a different civilization, or different values and culture, particularly when one civilization attempts to impose its values on people of a different civilization.[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations
 
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Whiskey16

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Or just much more thorough and complete documentation.
Thank you, you beat me to another rational causation for why tallies may change over time.

Such reasoning doesn't suit argumentative zealotry and demagoguery, nor certainly the supremacist (Muslims rank below) view of a expansionist Zionist such as woolfe9998, nor then many other members here who are far more hardcore and violent in their far-right xenophobic posturing to position all Muslims as an enemy entity, unworthy of welcome and respect in any western state....

Not too many decades ago such a vile fearing and marginalising view was also held against Jews, with even a Canadian government positon of "one is too many...." Such has been a public state against Irish, Italians, Romanians, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, etc.... The core of such western xenophobic movements is of insularly provincial white men who know little nor care to learn beyond what for they perceive to know.
 
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norseamd

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Thank you, you beat me to another rational causation for why tallies may change over time.

Such reasoning doesn't suit argumentative zealotry and demagoguery, nor certainly the supremacist (Muslims rank below) view of a expansionist Zionist such as woolfe9998...

There well may be more terrorist attacks, but the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been in full swing for decades, and I think it might have even been worse in the 90s than it is right now even with ISIS right next door.
 

sportage

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What I'm wondering now is where the next terrorist attack will be?
No doubt they enjoy the total mayhem they create world wide.
The problem in many European countries are that people of all persuasions can too easily come and go as they please.
So it is hard to catch these terrorist since many of them are part of that European society.
And places like France or England just don't have the resources to tell the terrorist from the average citizen.
I'd expect Great Britain to be next on the hit list open to terrorist attack.

Like I said in another thread, when does the threat of middle eastern sourced terrorism warrant the complete annihilation of the region?
At what point does the terrorism threaten the very existence of our society?
Of our way of life?
Could it become necessary to wipe huge sections of the middle east completely off the face of the earth?
 

PlanetJosh

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Seems like the forum is behaving normally. Republicans imply the Paris attacks are Obama's and Hillary's fault. The Democrats imply the Republicans are warmongers. I'm an independent liberal btw.
 

CZroe

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Obama authorizes secret support for Syrian rebels



Hey Barrack Hussien Obama, could you please get our nose of out Syria?

We have no business there.
link to this claim?
If Felix could provide a link directly to the voices in his head, I'm sure he would.
You both missed this earlier.

Yes, "Muslims":My assumption for his call for exterminating genocide upon "Muslims," was correct, as he had an opportunity to refute my charges, and yet did not, rather Anubis affirmed Muslims were his target to be "removed like the cancer they are:"



Care to remain offended?

Abubis had an opportunity to deny any charges for him making a call to genocide against a targeted people. I am welcome to correction. Instead, he not only affirmed my assumption of him talking targeting Muslims, yet persevered with his incitement to "remove them from existence....removed like the cancer they are."

Certainly not acceptable presentations of speech upon a forum that has limits against violent extremism.

Anubis is certainly not the first member, nor sadly the last, to abuse this forum to advocate high crimes of terrorism and genocide on a targeted people

Are you serious? He obviously didn't notice your edit (I almost missed it myself) AND he specifically contradicted your assertion when he said it didn't apply only to Muslims.

"Removed like the cancer they are" almost certainly refers to the assumed subject he originally intended (those responsible for the attack, not "all Muslims")... OBVIOUSLY.

FAIL all around for your feeble attempt to put words in his mouth to appear morally superior. You're like the privileged white lawmakers in California who recently told a Native American woman that she was racist and insensitive toward Native Americans... because they obviously know what offends Native Americans more than a Native American?!
 

Nebor

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So, this attack, perpetrated by ISIS and there sympathizers, and a group Iran has been fighting, is an opportunity to attack ... Iran -- I bet if you pull off your mask you're actually Dick Cheney.

Even if Iran is a threat and I agree that they are we have to understand and learn from the fuck ups made when we invaded Iraq while still engaged in Afghanistan. One fucking war at a time please.

Amazing that these attacks in France perpetrated by ISIS is reason to attack Iran even though Iran is ... wait for it ... fighting ISIS.


Brian

The war in Afghanistan is over. We lost. We're just softening the blow at this point. Time to try, try again.
 

Brian Stirling

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When are you going to stop being a turd?

When the only card you have is the Benghazi card you tend to throw the Benghazi card at everything.

Don't agree with there desire to exterminate Muslims and you're one of them! This is similar to the term "n@ggerlover" -- if you don't put on the pointed white hood then you must be a n@ggerlover! Attempting to discuss things with them is mostly pointless as they like to reduce things to black and white and you better not be black!


Brian
 

CZroe

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When the only card you have is the Benghazi card you tend to throw the Benghazi card at everything.

Don't agree with there desire to exterminate Muslims and you're one of them! This is similar to the term "n@ggerlover" -- if you don't put on the pointed white hood then you must be a n@ggerlover! Attempting to discuss things with them is mostly pointless as they like to reduce things to black and white and you better not be black!


Brian

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You both missed this earlier.



Are you serious? He obviously didn't notice your edit (I almost missed it myself) AND he specifically contradicted your assertion when he said it didn't apply only to Muslims.

"Removed like the cancer they are" almost certainly refers to the assumed subject he originally intended (those responsible for the attack, not "all Muslims")... OBVIOUSLY.

FAIL all around for your feeble attempt to put words in his mouth to appear morally superior. You're like the privileged white lawmakers in California who recently told a Native American woman that she was racist and insensitive toward Native Americans... because they obviously know what offends Native Americans more than a Native American?!

That article you linked is from Wed Aug 1, 2012.
 

jackstar7

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If you're too damned stupid to not secure your computer, it's your own fault. Dumbass. Let me guess, you partake of sexual tourism in South Africa without condoms, right? :\

Heh. Glad you can turn an insult around like that.

Your citation and that site were bad and you should feel bad.
 

CZroe

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That article you linked is from Wed Aug 1, 2012.
...and...?

It's word for word the exact same headline that he quoted: "Obama authorizes secret support for Syrian rebels." He didn't imply "...in response to current events in France." That came from your imagination (or I could say "inability to read").

Where did you or Zin get the idea that he was talking about anything more current? Have we stopped fighting ISIS? Did the arms we provided to the other rebels get returned to sender? I didn't get the memo.

FelixDeCat was clearly replying to Newell Steamer who was the first one to link it ITT. Because my post replying to you and Zin sat in my clipboard all day, I wasn't even the second to link to it (FelixDeCat). Like I said: you missed it earlier. It's kind of funny to see you two demand a link that was already provided from a person who was essentially responding to that link and then smugly act like no link would be coming, but it's even better when you get it twice more and STILL don't realize that it is exactly what he was talking about all along.
 
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Jaskalas

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Barrack Hussien Obama's direct involvement started in 2012 years with Republican support and only escalated with most western powers eventually getting involved. Now even Russia is in the mix.

We should just let the Syrians take care of it. If ISIS does indeed take over the country THEN you can liberate the shit out it but not before.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012...der-idUSBRE8701OK20120802#5jWsZMwqwAeqJLCR.97

Syria WAS in the process of falling.
How easy it is to forget or ignore recent events.
Why do you think Russia stepped in?

The Syrian military had failed.
The capital was falling.

And !@#$ liberating them. Maintain current power structure. Prop up their militaries and governments, DO NOT allow a power vacuum to form like in Afghanistan and Iraq. That's how you loose wars and reap terrorism. When governments fall. We don't need to liberate anyone, we just need to kill ISIS. We don't even have to enter their cities to do this, just block all roads and all travel. Then the local governments can do the clean up.
 
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Hey guys - I just want to say... that I DID MY PART in this. I changed my Facebook profile to be the colors of the French flag. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! NOTHING I BET!
 

Whiskey16

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Misrepresentation found:
Are you serious? He obviously didn't notice your edit (I almost missed it myself) AND he specifically contradicted your assertion when he said it didn't apply only to Muslims.
Uhhm, no, he most certainly missed nothing for what I wrote, as he directly quoted it in his own post.

In his responding post #360 he quoted exactly what I charged of an incitement for genocide against Muslims, made no mention of refuting that explicit assumption, and continued forth with a "need to be removed like the cancer they are...."
 
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