Deadwood: Wu's meatlocker has cold air coming in. How did they generate AC in 1876?

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IIRC (not a historian or anything but based on watching/reading things) ice was delivered via insulated trains to places that needed it. Refrigeration existed but was not in every home, so someone would produce the ice and ship it around.
 

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Ice was actually cut from frozen lakes during the winter and stored for year round delivery.
 
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There was this person that made his whole fortune with selling iceslabs to cooling houses. He was not happy at all when the first practical refrigerator was invented.

You can find some information on him in one of these documentaries :
The first documentary mentions him between 30 minutes and 50 minutes and also explains why fast freezing does not damage the material like meat of vegetables and keeps the taste proper.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...&hl=en&view=3&emb=1#docid=5261389955425152071



http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...Aa04unpAg&q=absolute+zero&hl=en&view=3&emb=1#
 

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He and a few other like him had huge warehousing and logistical operations. Any well insulated warehouse with sufficient drainage did quite well. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Tudor he eventually had 22 icehouses storing 30,000 tons of ice. That's an average of 1363 tons of ice per icehouse. 1363 tons is roughly 340,000 gallons. Reasonable insulated it would keep for quite some time. 340,000 gallons is a lot of thermal mass!
 

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Ice. If you go back far enough refrigerators in the kitchen were called icebox . They even constructed homes where in the kitchen there was a hole in the wall with a small door on the outside. You would place your icebox on that wall and it had an opening that lined up with the outside door. The iceman would come by, open the door outside and change out the ice without disturbing the home owner.



Ice is a funny susbtance. They once considered making an air craft carrier out of ice and actually started construction. It floats well, is easily repaired and can be hard as steel if kept cold enough.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk

In early 1942 Pyke and Bernal called in Max Perutz to determine whether an ice floe large enough to withstand Atlantic conditions could be built up fast enough. He pointed out that natural icebergs have too small a surface above water for an airstrip, and are prone to suddenly rolling over. The project would have been abandoned, except for the invention of Pykrete, a mixture of water and woodpulp which frozen together was stronger than plain ice, was slower melting, and of course would not sink. It has been suggested that Pyke was inspired by Inuit sleds reinforced with moss.[1] This is probably apocryphal, as the material was originally described in a paper by Mark and Hohenstein in Brooklyn, NY.[2]
Pykrete could be machined like wood and cast into shapes like metal, and when immersed in water formed an insulating shell of wet wood pulp on its surface which protected its interior from further melting. However, Perutz found a problem: ice slowly flows, in what is known as plastic flow, and his tests showed that a Pykrete ship would slowly sag unless it was cooled to −16 °C (3.2 °F). To accomplish this, the ship's surface would have to be protected by insulation and it would need a refrigeration plant and a complicated system of ducts.[2]
 
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there were icemakers around in the 1840s. they were commercial failures, but i suppose a good hobbyist could build one.

more likely there was an ice warehouse.
 

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Amazing what you run in to on Anandtech!!

"In early 1942 Pyke and Bernal called in Max Perutz to determine whether an ice floe large enough to withstand Atlantic conditions could be built up fast enough. He pointed out that natural icebergs have too small a surface above water for an airstrip, and are prone to suddenly rolling over. The project would have been abandoned, except for the invention of Pykrete, a mixture of water and woodpulp which frozen together was stronger than plain ice, was slower melting, and of course would not sink. It has been suggested that Pyke was inspired by Inuit sleds reinforced with moss.[1] This is probably apocryphal, as the material was originally described in a paper by Mark and Hohenstein in Brooklyn, NY.[2]"

Hermann Mark (of Mark and Hohenstein) was my wife's grandfather. I remember talking to him in the late 1980's or very early 1990's about the ice ship that was proposed. He had been chased out of Austria by the Nazis and worked on many projects to help the Allies win WWII. He had worked for International Paper near Toronto in the late 1930's and continued his research on wood pulp at Brooklyn Poly after his move there. Dr. Mark died, still lucid and entertaining, at the age of 97 in 1992.
 

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Amazing what you run in to on Anandtech!!


Hermann Mark (of Mark and Hohenstein) was my wife's grandfather. I remember talking to him in the late 1980's or very early 1990's about the ice ship that was proposed. He had been chased out of Austria by the Nazis and worked on many projects to help the Allies win WWII. He had worked for International Paper near Toronto in the late 1930's and continued his research on wood pulp at Brooklyn Poly after his move there. Dr. Mark died, still lucid and entertaining, at the age of 97 in 1992.

Interesting information. I think some of his ideas had merit but they were just not practical for war time.
 
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Amazing what you run in to on Anandtech!!

"In early 1942 Pyke and Bernal called in Max Perutz to determine whether an ice floe large enough to withstand Atlantic conditions could be built up fast enough. He pointed out that natural icebergs have too small a surface above water for an airstrip, and are prone to suddenly rolling over. The project would have been abandoned, except for the invention of Pykrete, a mixture of water and woodpulp which frozen together was stronger than plain ice, was slower melting, and of course would not sink. It has been suggested that Pyke was inspired by Inuit sleds reinforced with moss.[1] This is probably apocryphal, as the material was originally described in a paper by Mark and Hohenstein in Brooklyn, NY.[2]"

Hermann Mark (of Mark and Hohenstein) was my wife's grandfather. I remember talking to him in the late 1980's or very early 1990's about the ice ship that was proposed. He had been chased out of Austria by the Nazis and worked on many projects to help the Allies win WWII. He had worked for International Paper near Toronto in the late 1930's and continued his research on wood pulp at Brooklyn Poly after his move there. Dr. Mark died, still lucid and entertaining, at the age of 97 in 1992.

It has been proven that when using the brain, fights of degenerative diseases at old age. Use it or loose it, is really true when you are passed 40 or something in those numbers.
 

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Here they cut the ice out of Lake Erie. Packed it in sawdust in a stone warehouse, and sold/delivered to your icebox or icehouse. You probably have seen an icebox in antique stores (basically a wood box that was lined with lead sheets (later tin)). Icehouses were holes in the ground with stone walls, wood roofs, and the ice was stacked with sawdust around it to insulate. Usually icehouses were at large farms or estates. City dwellers usually had iceboxes.
If you were rich you had special ceramic boxes to put your ice in when you packed you icebox/icehouse so you didn't have to pack it with dirty sawdust.
 
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