DEAL OVER! Delta DPS-300BB 300W ATX PSU, OEM ***Now back to full price...$29.99***

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Xidus

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Mine is the same way, that's why I was wondering. The PS in there right now has a fan on the side and not the back, sucking air from the cpu HS. I suppose I could take this delta apart and cut a hole myself. But I always figured why bother doing that when I could just make sure whichever ps I got would have a vent there.

But I don't think Ill find another decent PS for close to $13. So it's either this or use a gift card and get an antec from bestbuy. Which would be quieter, this delta or an antec from BB?
 

rcraig

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You might see if your old cover is intercahngeable with the Delta one if it is not vented and use it. If not, cut away. Another option if you dont have a hole saw is to just drill a bunch of holes in the cover. It might not be pretty, but should work and who is going to see it anyway?

RCraig
 

ThisIsMatt

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Originally posted by: sleefer
Wow this is a hot one boys and girls! Directron has it here!. Picked up 3 of them and the shipping was $9.50, not bad at all! This is not a generic or "cheap" PSU! Delta is a big OEM provider of quality products.

EDIT: I'm adding some more info since I have received mine now:
No 4-pin P4 connector. Does have a 6-pin AUX connector. The output on the unit is very nice for a 300 watt unit. The TCO (+3.3v and +5v combined) is 245 watts. Total output not to exceed 300 watts, that would include the +12v. To compare, my Antec PP-412X has a TCO of 245 watts, with a combined not to exceed 380 watts. The unit has one fan in the back with vents in the front only, no vents\fans on bottom or sides. No on\off switch on the back of unit. Main 20-pin ATX connector is 10" long. That might cause a problem with a large case, depending on where your ATX connector is located on your motherboard. You can get a 6" extension here, for $3.49, but you'd probably pay too much for shipping unless your buying something else along with it.
If you're getting this from just figuring volts*amps then you are incorrect. The combined output of both these lines drops considerably when both are being drawn from. For example, a high quality 350W sparkle PSU puts out 252.4W on the 3.3v+5.5v rails theoretically, but only 220W max according to advertised spec. I believe this differs on such PSU's like the antec trupower, but this isn't one...
 

Optical

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shipping is 7.61 for 1 to CA. almost 50% of the cost of the psu. hehe. I'll take everyone's word on the quality and picked up one. Thanks.
 

sleefer

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ThisIsMatt- "total combined output of +5V and +3.3V of 245W. Maximum total continuous output 300W." That is printed right on the PSU itself.
Some other specs on it in case your wondering:
+5V -->32A
+12 -->13.5A
+3.3 -->26A
-12V -->0.8A
-5V -->0.5A
+5VSB -->2.0A
 

stevejst

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Looks good. Deltas are fine power supplies, only the +12V is a bit low, I guess you will not be able to put too many fans on this power supply. It is a great deal nevertheless.
Enermax are the best power supplies there are, they are not overrated. Enermax 350W puts out 60W more on +12V line than this Delta, it is strange you wouldn't notice. It has two fans that are more quiet than most one-fan power supplies, they have gold plated contacts, tied and long cables, ventilation as good as to serve as a case fan ... they are as stable as rock. Most of them have fan monitoring, some even adjustable. This power supply is a solid PSU with economic design and nothing more. You don't like Enermax that is fine but branding them average is quite an exaggeration.
For example take a look at the fans of Enermax and compare to any average PSU, you'd notice that Enermax has wire frame on the fans which doesn't have any feedback while average PSU has carved metal that sends a portion of air back to fan again.
I have not seen any educated evaluation of Enermax that would claim anything but excellent for the brand.
Take a look at the new True Power PSUs by Antec and see how much they borrowed from the design of Enermax. That is the best compliment to original Enermax design.
 

mindless1

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Originally posted by: stevejstLooks good. Deltas are fine power supplies, only the +12V is a bit low, I guess you will not be able to put too many fans on this power supply. It is a great deal nevertheless.
True... If a system has 2 HDD, 2 Optical drives, it'll be limited to about a dozen full-sized fans. This model of Delta is NOT meant to be used in a server with half a dozen or more HDD, but the Enermax isn't either. If you have a P4 12V-biased system, then you do need more power on the 12V line, but again there are equal PSU for less $, or better for the same $ as an Enermax.
Enermax are the best power supplies there are, they are not overrated. Enermax 350W puts out 60W more on +12V line than this Delta, it is strange you wouldn't notice.
Oh no, not this discussion again! Open your Enermax up, and LOOK INSIDE. If you know what you're looking at, you'll see that an Enermax 350W does not have the higher-capacity components necessary to distinguish their 350W model from other 300W models, hence "overrated". Rather, the Enermax circuitry is more simplistic, which is ridiculous considering their price.

> It has two fans that are more quiet than most one-fan power supplies,

That is a good feature of the Enermax models... If only they found a way to do it without having to shrink the heatsinks to fit that second fan on the bottom, it would have been more significant to the cooling of the PSU. At least it does offer the potential for slight noise reduction and redundancy, but redundancy isn't very important unless the primary fan is junk or a sleeve-bearing model.

> they have gold plated contacts,

That would be very important somewhere like a MARINE environment, except that this is the only part of the PSU that is gold-plated (maybe the fan grill is too, but more likely "golden-color", not gold. Not that it matters.), so it isn't a significant difference. Actually, anyone who remembers back to the 486/Pentium systems and their tin vs gold plated SIMMs, might recall that it's a BAD thing to use dissimilar metals for contact, so if all your drives, motherboard, etc, aren't also gold plated, it may be best to avoid gold plated connectors.

> tied and long cables,

Long cables are crucial for a motherboard/case that needs them, but just get in the way and increase resistance otherwise. It's not a positive feature unless you really need long cables. As for being sheathed, remember when I wrote "pretty" before? The benefit is only to the eye, no functional difference since practically all PSU cables are tied.

> ventilation as good as to serve as a case fan ...

Unless you turn the fans down to be quiet, meaning you can have one feature or the other, but not both. It's a step in the right direction though, and the strongest feature of Enermax PSU... it's just a feature that's completely unnecessary if one follows the design guidelines for Intel or AMD CPUs. Granted, the Delta DPS-300BB doesn't follow those guidelines because of it's lack of bottom air vents, but this is usually problematic only if those guidelines were already being ignored, if there is no rear exhaust fan on the case.

> they are as stable as rock. Most of them have fan monitoring, some even adjustable.

Enermax are stable up to their rated capacity, as are most every name-brand costing half as much. I can't remember hearing of someone who had a quality name-brand 300W PSU and had problems that were solved by switching to a 350W Enermax. The same can't be said for switching from an Enermax 350W to another quality >=300W PSU. Whether you want to admit it or not, there are more problems using an Enermax 350W PSU than many other name-brands of similar cost.

>This power supply is a solid PSU with economic design and nothing more.

Open your Enermax. It's internal construction is cheaper (uhh, more "economic") than this Delta. This Delta could be better with a fan underneith like the Enermax, but it's a better power supply even without it. I suppose there are exceptions, like if the rest of the system is low-powered, poorly ventilated, and high-heat-producing. Those three phenomenon are unlikely to occur simultaneously.


> You don't like Enermax that is fine but branding them average is quite an
> exaggeration. For example take a look at the fans of Enermax and compare
> to any average PSU, you'd notice that Enermax has wire frame on the fans
> which doesn't have any feedback while average PSU has carved metal that
> sends a portion of air back to fan again.

They are only average in their ability to supply power, but are a little better at providing quiet ventilation. However, a decent case with rear (and front if necessary) fans doesn't need to rely on the PSU to cool the rest of the system. It's better if the rear case fan immediately removes the hot exhaust from the CPU, not letting it go into the PSU at all.

> I have not seen any educated evaluation of Enermax that would claim anything but excellent for the brand.

Frankly, I can't remember reading any educated evaluations of Enermax... I've mostly seen reviewers making poor (wrong) guesses. For example, I've read reviews of Enermax PSU in which the bridge rectifiers and switching regulators were called "resistors". Another review called a load resistor a temperature sensor. One review assumed that if the power connectors weren't gold plated, that they were aluminum. One reviewer seems to have felt that the readers would actually need a diagram to figure out how air flows when there are two fans! If you can provide a review by someone who knows what matters in a PSU, doesn't make glaring mistakes in their understanding of the most basic of concepts in electronics, and does more to differentiate between multiple PSU than just say "it works fine and looks kewl", please provide a link. Keep in mind that many of the reviewers also received these PSU FREE, making their assessment of value a little less objective than someone who buys and replaces PSU on a regular basis.


BTW, for anyone who is interested, these Deltas do have the voltage adjustment POT.

stevejst, please note that linked picture, open your Enermax and tell us of ANY internal components/circuitry in your Enermax that are better (if as good), that justify it being >$9 more expensive than the price of the Delta or any other quality 300W PSU. We all know it has that second fan and the grills, but that's less than $3 worth of parts to a manufacturer buying in bulk. Add the longer cables, maybe $1 more. Now add gold-plating (even though it doesn't matter), maybe $3 more. Add main power cable sheath $1. Oh, the fancy cardboard box too, $1 ?

 

Justin218

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I just bought one. Looks like a nice deal, I found it at another store for $30 before shipping. Came to $20.84 shipped to Fla.
 

Wurlybird9

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does anyone think this will work well with an ecs k7s5a? I've been hearing comments about this board being picky about the supply used...
 

simonkao

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mindless1, thanks for mentioning the voltage adj. pot.

Just installed the PS into my rig, the pot tweaks the 5V and 3.3V perfectly.
 

Xidus

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Originally posted by: rcraig
You might see if your old cover is intercahngeable with the Delta one if it is not vented and use it.
RCraig

That is a damn good idea, I never thought of trying to use the old PS cover. I'm going to try that before breaking out the power tools

 

Bob/NYC

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Did anyone else get a DOA PSU from these guys? :-(

The added return shipping, even with the $4 refund that they
offered still costs more than the unit. ...and I may get another
DOA in what is now a gamble, unless this is are rare incident.
 

dew042

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Originally posted by: Bob/NYC
Did anyone else get a DOA PSU from these guys? :-(

The added return shipping, even with the $4 refund that they
offered still costs more than the unit. ...and I may get another
DOA in what is now a gamble, unless this is are rare incident.

i thought i did, but it was default set to 220v (which is dumb).... not something i expected and it took me a couple days to figure it out (i'm slow....). so beware.

dew.

 

sleefer

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Yep, all three of mine were set at 230V also. mindless 1 mentioned that above, I have added it in bold on the top.
 

Bob/NYC

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Hmmm. Mine was on 115v, so they must have sent out a previous DOA, again.
Shipping it back would make combined shipping costs more than the $13 POS. Best to not buy from Directron again and just keep the fan, if it works.
 

mindless1

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Originally posted by: Bob/NYC
Did anyone else get a DOA PSU from these guys? :-(
The added return shipping, even with the $4 refund that they
offered still costs more than the unit. ...and I may get another
DOA in what is now a gamble, unless this is are rare incident.
I would return it, get a replacement NOW, before they sell out. You might try it in a different system... I seem to remember another thread a few months ago, there was someone that thought theirs was dead but they took it to work and a tech had it working in several different systems.

You might also check the voltage adjustment POT inside... since these don't have the tamperproof seals on them, it's conceivable that someone could have opened theirs, tried to pry the blue glue blob off the POT to adjust it, and ended up breaking the POT, the resistor next to it, the bottom of the riser PCB, etc, then returned it. Although, I would've thought directron would have tested it before reselling it... are you sure that 115/230 switch is switched ALL the way over in the 115 position?
 

Bob/NYC

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I tried 2 Abit KG7's, so it's useless elswhere. The white pot had no goop and the yellow coils were brown tinged(burnt looking). I think you got it!
The voltage switch came clicked in on 115v. For the price of shipping 2 ways and waiting weeks, $50 for a True 330W Antec from buy.com doesn't look bad.
 

kenja

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My $0.02:

This is the same PSU that Package2You.com sold out of (thanks to the AT post; I'm too lazy to search and give the person credit). Some people received duds; mine works fine.

This is a good 300W supply, great for AMDs (except there's no bottom intake), but the ATX cable is too short unless the socket is at the top of the motherboard (like on my Abit KT7).

I received an unused unit (no dust on the fan), but my experienced technician's eyes could tell it was "removed from equipment". Two small scrapes with a bit of rust (where it had been mounted in a case), and an little overspray of yellow paint.

You probably won't find any info on the part number because it was obviously built for an OEM.

 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: sleefer
Units arrived yesterday so I can provide more info now on the units. They arrived new OEM, meaning they have no box, power cord, literature, etc., just bubble wrapped. It has the standard 20-pin ATX. They also have a 6-pin Aux. power connector (the one that looks like one half of the old AT style connectors). The TCO off of the label on the units themselves is 245 watts. They have a single exhaust fan and no on/off switch on the back. That TCO is high for a 300 watt PSU, most of the one's I have are around 180 watts or so. Hope that helps if anyone was wondering about them. They are still showing at $13 as I write this.

I agree. I have two 300W PSUs here that came included with full-tower ATX cases, one L&C, one Deer, and neither one of them has a TCO of more than 165W. A TCO of 245W, on a 300W PSU, is almost unheard of, IMHO. For $13 this sounds like a steal, except that I pretty-much *require* the additonal rear "kill-switch" for any PSU I use. Too bad or I would get one or two of these.
 

mindless1

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I used to care about having a switch on the back, then got into the habit of switching off the surge protector instead... same effect since the ground is still connected, and it also kills power to any misc USB/Parallel/etc components on the surge protector, that may remain plugged into the motherboard or other cards.
 

Justin218

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Mine is DOA. I turn it on, the fan moves a little bit, and that is it. The old green to black wire short trick does the same thing with it. It's on 115. The fan alone works though. I have $20 case fan, great
EDIT: I have an Epox 8k7a. It might just be a compatability problem. Dunno how though.
EDIT: Works fine now with ~5ohms of resistance over the 3.3 rail
 

Xidus

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Originally posted by: mindless1



BTW, for anyone who is interested, these Deltas do have the voltage adjustment POT.


Cool, now if I only new how to adjust it or even if I would want to. My bios says;
vcore: 1.77V
vtt: 1.50V
VIO: 3.28V
+5V: 4.99V
+12V: 11.67V
-12V: -12.26
-5V: -5.02V



So my 5V line looks ok, I don't know if the 12V is supposed to be like that though. Have no idea about vcore and vtt. I guess VIO is the 3.3V line.
 

mindless1

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Originally posted by: Xidus

Cool, now if I only new how to adjust it or even if I would want to. My bios says;
vcore: 1.77V
vtt: 1.50V
VIO: 3.28V
+5V: 4.99V
+12V: 11.67V
-12V: -12.26
-5V: -5.02V

So my 5V line looks ok, I don't know if the 12V is supposed to be like that though. Have no idea about vcore and vtt. I guess VIO is the 3.3V line.
vcore and vtt are regulated down by the motherboard, not controlled by PSU
VIO looks fine
+5V looks fine
+12V reads low, but that reading should be taken with a grain of salt...
Depending on where the motherboard takes the +12V reading , that reading may be correct or off by a bit (lower than actual voltage). The easy answer is to leave it alone if you don't have problems. The alternative is to take a more accurate reading with a meter, at a drive connector while the system is under it's high average load (having all drives connected, running scandisk or transferring files from drive to drive, etc). If you don't have a meter, you might assume the BIOS and/or windows reports around 0.2V lower than actual (but can vary by motherboard).

To adjust the 12V (and 5V, both are adjusted by that POT), loosten that glue blob (at your own risk), power up the system, and turn the pot while watching the meter or BIOS/Windows voltage. Seems like turning it clockwise increases voltage, but it's easy enough to see when you watch it change. Just be sure not to electrocute yourself, one of the heatsinks is not ground, meaning you could be in for a shock if you touched it (or other internal parts) or allowed the PSU casing to bend and touch it. It may be best to leave it alone if there are no problems.



 

kenja

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ATX specs require the 3.3V to be +/- %4; +/- %5 for the others; so the 12V could be as low as 11.4V and still be in spec. The negative voltages are only there for backwards compatibility.

Since the +12v is only used for fans and drive motors, I'd say you're in good shape.

Oh, and a thanks to mindless 1 for the earlier thread.
 
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