Dear fellow cyclists,

[tynopik]

It's your right to feel that way. As long as while you're driving you don't try to harass or harm anyone that is legally riding a bike on the road, then it makes no nevermind to me.

Except for the part when your roadhazard becomes roadkill, then it matters to you

cars and bicycles do not mix

 

[SketchMaster]

I appreciate the concern, tynopik. I accept the risks of riding on the roads and do my best to obey the laws and be as courteous as a can to all around me. As long as others do the same then there is a high chance everyone will make it home safely.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Ah, a cyclist hate thread. The new year brings a new level of hatred.

FTR-I don't ride like that. And sorry, but I'm the only person I can control.

 

[tynopik]

I accept the risks of riding on the roads

Unfortunately the risk isn't yours alone

The sudden stopping and swerving you cause impacts other people too

And even if was just you at risk of getting hurt, it still impacts everyone when you get sent to the hospital and drive up everyone's insurance rates. Call it the 'tobacco industry effect'. We couldn't allow smokers to 'take on the risk themselves' because their self-destructive behavior impacted everyone.

 

[SketchMaster]

You're just too smart for me, tynopik.

 

[Humpy]

was I not clear? The problem is that they're on the road in the first place.

If you can't keep up with traffic, you don't belong on the road, period.

Even the 'best behaved' cyclist is a road hazard

Your posts make you appear as a crying, whiny bitch.

 

[IronWing]

you obviously have no clue how this actually works in the real world

You see a bicyclist and poop yourself?

 

[tynopik]

You see a bicyclist and poop yourself?

I see cars swerving and braking for no reason and go 'Oh, I bet there's a bicyclist up there'

sho'nuff . . .

 

[IronWing]

I see cars swerving and braking for no reason and go 'Oh, I bet there's a bicyclist up there'

sho'nuff . . .

So the real issue is people driving cars who don't know how to drive. I'm all in favor of mandatory drivers ed and periodic license retesting. In fact, if you review my epic rants on California drivers, you'll find that I recommend that every last driver in California have their license suspended pending re-testing.

 

[tynopik]

So the real issue is people driving cars who don't know how to drive. I'm all in favor of mandatory drivers ed and periodic license retesting. In fact, if you review my epic rants on California drivers, you'll find that I recommend that every last driver in California have their license suspended pending re-testing.

no, the real issue is that bicycles and cars don't mix and pretending otherwise is just being ignorant

or a troll

even (especially) cycling activists recognize this, hence why they keep pushing for dedicated cycling paths

 

[IronWing]

no, the real issue is that bicycles and cars don't mix and pretending otherwise is just being ignorant

or a troll

even (especially) cycling activists recognize this, hence why they keep pushing for dedicated cycling paths

They mix just fine. Poor drivers and poor riders are the issue.

 

[SketchMaster]

Just let it go, Iron. Tynopik is allowed to feel the way he does about road cycling. As long as he's not trying to run bikes off the road he isn't doing any harm. Arguing with him won't change how he feels.

 

[Humpy]

There are over a billion bicycles in the world, 100,000,000+ new ones are produced every year, and most of them at some point are ridden on the same pavement as cars, and have been for decades.

This scares the shit out of some people though. It's wrong and must stop because it's scary and wrong and super dangerous. If you disagree then you are just an ignorant troll who can't see the danger. Bikes are scary and bad.

LOL, OK.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I see cars swerving and braking for no reason and go 'Oh, I bet there's a bicyclist up there'

sho'nuff . . .

FYI-Bicycle lanes solve most of the nonsense you're complaining about.

 

[SunnyD]

no, the real issue is that bicycles and cars don't mix and pretending otherwise is just being ignorant

or a troll

even (especially) cycling activists recognize this, hence why they keep pushing for dedicated cycling paths

Actually, the real reason is pretty much as IronWing describes. People get a drivers license when they're 14-18 (depending on the state) and absolutely never get a refresher on their driving skills or the rules and regulations of the road unless they happen to get ticketed and decide to plead out and take a driver's ed class just so they can remove the points from their ticket to keep their insurance rates down. Hell, most cops don't even know half of the laws on the road that they themselves have to enforce.

It would be a HUGE step forward for driver safety, not just for cyclists and pedestrians but for motorists in general if every licensed driver had to periodically had to retest in order to keep an active license. The only reason it does happen is because $$$. In the meantime, we deal with entitled pricks like you on the roads who don't realize that more often than not the distracted driver behind the 2000lb hunk of steel moving at 60mph is more often the cause than the casualty.

And no, I am not a cyclist.

 

[tynopik]

There are over a billion bicycles in the world, 100,000,000+ new ones are produced every year, and most of them at some point are ridden on the same pavement as cars, and have been for decades.

This scares the shit out of some people though. It's wrong and must stop because it's scary and wrong and super dangerous. If you disagree then you are just an ignorant troll who can't see the danger. Bikes are scary and bad.

LOL, OK.

http://bicycleuniverse.info/transpo/almanac-safety.html

So cyclists are either 3.4x or 11.5x as likely to die as motorists, per passenger mile.

 

[Humpy]

http://bicycleuniverse.info/transpo/almanac-safety.html

How is your little cherry picked bit of trivia in any way meaningful to your argument?

Be honest, you just posted the first thing you could find on google and didn't even think even about it. That's OK. Together we've made this thread really lame so our work is done here anyway. See you in the next shit thread.

 

[dank69]

If you elect me President, I will put a moratorium on allowing ciclists into this country until we figure out what the problem is.

 

[emperus]

I have to agree with OP. I ride for exercise and pleasure (mostly a single speed road bike) and try to be as courteous as possible understanding that I'm no match for a car. But when I drive esp. in some parts of Boston/Cambridge/Sommerville, I can understand the absolute hate people have for cyclists.

 

[rh71]

We ride on bike paths and nobody expects hellos with each other. At most, we'll do a head nod. It's become too common to care that you're (we're) special.

They mix just fine. Poor drivers and poor riders are the issue.

Nuh-uh - even when driving around motorcycles you have to be extra careful because sometimes they come in packs from behind you and quickly. I see one go by while I'm about to change lanes... nope here comes another at +15mph faster than you were going. Mirrors don't reveal the entire lane (also a big issue with bikes) and shoulder checks mean nothing if they come fast. With bicyclists, you have to be even more alert. Speed difference kills and you don't want to be the one who even taps a rider.

Want to make that right turn with a rider 2-3 car lengths behind you? Do you slow to a crawl slowing all traffic so he clears the intersection first? *Sigh*

In one word - nuisance.

 

[JulesMaximus]

We ride on bike paths and nobody expects hellos with each other. At most, we'll do a head nod. It's become too common to care that you're (we're) special.



Nuh-uh - even when driving around motorcycles you have to be extra careful because sometimes they come in packs from behind you and quickly. I see one go by while I'm about to change lanes... nope here comes another at +15mph faster than you were going. Mirrors don't reveal the entire lane (also a big issue with bikes) and shoulder checks mean nothing if they come fast. With bicyclists, you have to be even more alert. Speed difference kills and you don't want to be the one who even taps a rider.

Want to make that right turn with a rider 2-3 car lengths behind you? Do you slow to a crawl slowing all traffic so he clears the intersection first? *Sigh*

In one word - nuisance.

OMG... that's SUCH an inconvenience. WHAH!!! I had to wait a few seconds for a cyclist to clear the bumper of my gigantic SUV. You poor delicate flower... I'm surprised you're not in therapy for the amount of B.S. you have to put up with.

 

[tynopik]

How is your little cherry picked bit of trivia in any way meaningful to your argument?

you're arguing that riding bikes with cars isn't dangerous

I showed that it's an order of magnitude more dangerous

Be honest, you just posted the first thing you could find on google and didn't even think even about it.

so which was it? 'cherry picked' or 'first thing in google'? try to keep you story straight

if you think the stats are wrong, feel free to post better stats

until you do, my point stands, bicycles and cars are a deadly mix and should not be on the road together

 

[JulesMaximus]

you're arguing that riding bikes with cars isn't dangerous

I showed that it's an order of magnitude more dangerous




so which was it? 'cherry picked' or 'first thing in google'? try to keep you story straight

if you think the stats are wrong, feel free to post better stats

until you do, my point stands, bicycles and cars are a deadly mix and should not be on the road together

I'm curious why you give a fuck? And don't tell me you care at all about the safety of your fellow man because it is quite clear to me that you don't.

 

[tynopik]

I'm curious why you give a fuck?

Why do you care why I care? What matters is that I'm right and they are hazards and should be banned from road.

 

[Humpy]

you're arguing that riding bikes with cars isn't dangerous

I showed that it's an order of magnitude more dangerous

No. I'm not arguing that at all. My argument is simply that you are a dumb bastard.

You claimed that cars and bicycles don't mix. Yet, for some reason (laziness, stupidity, etc.) you posted a comparison of total deaths per mile of each while not posting anything about deaths in cars caused by bicyclists or deaths of bicyclists caused by cars. Why didn't you post something to support your claim? What is your problem?

so which was it? 'cherry picked' or 'first thing in google'? try to keep you story straight

if you think the stats are wrong, feel free to post better stats

until you do, my point stands, bicycles and cars are a deadly mix and should not be on the road together

To clarify the second point, you cherry picked an irrelevant tidbit from the first thing you found in the Google.

Your point stands as sucking.