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Humpy

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Not a bad idea, but how does a cyclist know when there are 5 cars? Is there some kind of mirror or shoulder check requirement?

The light bumper contact on the back wheel will be their first indication, second will the flipping head over heals and sliding chin first through the gravel and broken beer bottles on the side of the road.
 

Red Squirrel

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I really think law need to be that bikes have to ride on the shoulder or side walk, whichever is available. Some side walks even have a small shoulder before the road, so that makes a perfect bike lane without getting into anyone's way, though that's also where they tend to put the hydro poles so it wont always work. Each road design is different in this respect though. If you go the speed of a bike in a car, you can get ticketed for impeding traffic, so why should it be ok to be in the road on a bike? It makes more sense to put a human powered vehicle where humans go and keep motor vehicles where motor vehicles go. Of course cyclists should also give pedestrians the right away, and move far enough over when passing one, and slow down.

Here most people ride on the sidewalk and it's a non issue, it's the people that ride on the road that screw it up for everyone. You have cars trying to swerve into the other lane to pass them, then the oncoming car has to nearly go on the other sidewalk. Or you just have a huge backlog of traffic and angry drivers. Why not ride in the perfectly good, empty side walk instead. There are much more cars than there are pedestrians so most of the time sidewalks are empty anyway. For the few times you have to pass a pedestrian you can always do a shoulder check for cars and go in the road then back to the side walk.

The law here also states they have to be on the road, but nobody really follows it, and it's thankfully not really enforced either. Some laws are just meant to be broken because they are less safe. I used to bike lots when I was younger, and I felt MUCH safer on the sidewalk as well. Only time I rode in the road is when there was no paved shoulder/sidewalk but when I hear a car behind me I'd ride on the shoulder till the car passes.
 
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Humpy

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As a year round bike commuter the reality for me is that I don't fit entirely within one absolute standard. A section of my ride is in a residential neighborhood where I ride on the street, and don't stop at every stop sign. There is a section with a bike lane where I ride in the car lane on trash day to avoid the garbage cans. There is a section where I ride on the sidewalk because the side of the street has a big gap between the asphalt and concrete curb apron that would easily suck in a bicycle tire and the car traffic is usually going above the speed limit. There are sections where I take the lane because I need to make a left turn or the road curves and cars typically drive to the right of the white line. There is a section with pylons dividing lanes that I sometimes slalom through just for fun and another where I race buses up a hill from the stop light. I ride through a college campus sharing sidewalks with 100's of students doing the zombie text walk.

I ride exactly how I think is safest or the most fun or the fastest or most convenient for me. I don't worry in the least if someone gets butthurt over my actions and it honestly feels good that I might be annoying some whiny bitch like tynopik.

At the same time I don't get upset having to use my brake pedal and steering wheel to navigate around all the stuff that happens while driving. I can't imagine being the type of person that frets over every day life occurrences and feels a need to ban anything uncomfortable.
 

JulesMaximus

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As a year round bike commuter the reality for me is that I don't fit entirely within one absolute standard. A section of my ride is in a residential neighborhood where I ride on the street, and don't stop at every stop sign. There is a section with a bike lane where I ride in the car lane on trash day to avoid the garbage cans. There is a section where I ride on the sidewalk because the side of the street has a big gap between the asphalt and concrete curb apron that would easily suck in a bicycle tire and the car traffic is usually going above the speed limit. There are sections where I take the lane because I need to make a left turn or the road curves and cars typically drive to the right of the white line. There is a section with pylons dividing lanes that I sometimes slalom through just for fun and another where I race buses up a hill from the stop light. I ride through a college campus sharing sidewalks with 100's of students doing the zombie text walk.

I ride exactly how I think is safest or the most fun or the fastest or most convenient for me. I don't worry in the least if someone gets butthurt over my actions and it honestly feels good that I might be annoying some whiny bitch like tynopik.

At the same time I don't get upset having to use my brake pedal and steering wheel to navigate around all the stuff that happens while driving. I can't imagine being the type of person that frets over every day life occurrences and feels a need to ban anything uncomfortable.

:thumbsup: Truth.
 

Mai72

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My friend rides his bike. He told new that he likes to ride in the left lane. Is that even allowed? What about accidents? Isn't that the fast lane?
 

Phanuel

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I ride in the left lane if I'm about to make a left turn. Otherwise, no, stay on the right.
 

SketchMaster

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My friend rides his bike. He told new that he likes to ride in the left lane. Is that even allowed? What about accidents? Isn't that the fast lane?

Wonder if he means riding against traffic? It's illegal to ride a bike against traffic, even in a bike lane, and at best you'll get some NASTY looks from other cyclists...
 

SketchMaster

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Also, because someone talked about uploading pics of their rides...

2015 Kona Rove. My daily rider for getting to work.



2015 Kona Lana'i. HT XC rider that I slapped some 2.4" tyres on.
 
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tynopik

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The leading cause of death among young adults? What kind of crack are you doing?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q="leading+cause+of+death+among+young+adults."

hmm.. HIV, Suicide, Aids, disease... which one of those is riding a bike?

I was referring to car accidents, which are indeed #1 for 15-24 year olds

Based on the link you rely on for your alarming statistic, per mile traveled, I have a 0.0000126% chance of being killed on a bicycle.

Based on the same link by car I have a 0.000011% chance of being killed.

I probably have a greater chance of being killed by a sharknado.

I was pointing out the ignorance of your statement. If 0.0000011% chance per mile is enough to make it the leading cause of death, then obviously 0.0000011% is NOT insignificant.

And if 0.0000011% is significant, then 0.0000126% is very signifcant.
 
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tynopik

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It's pure self ownage. The one suggesting bicycling is too dangerous to be permitted is actually arguing that cars are far too dangerous and should be removed from the situation. Buddy doesn't even know he is arguing against himself.

Cars cause more deaths because they're used far far more. But per mile they're safer than bikes. This isn't a difficult concept.
 

tynopik

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Of course it matters. Travel tends to be safer over longer distances. It's one aspect of why travel by plane is so often claimed as safer per mile than by car and that people who fly longer trips are safer than people who fly several shorter trips.

Using a per mile comparison for air travel doesn't mean much when the most danger occurs at beginning and end of each trip, not during the time when most of the miles are accumulated. There are similar reason of why per mile comparison doesn't say much between other forms of transportation.

Make sense?

Planes are absolutely safer by any measure, not simply because they involve fewer trips. Even if you want to look at per-trip basis there is no comparison. You're more likely to die on the way to the airport than on a plane.
 

cbrunny

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Cars cause more deaths because they're used far far more. But per mile they're safer than bikes. This isn't a difficult concept.

That's like saying someone who shoots 1000 bullets and hits 100 people and kills them is less deadly than someone who fires two bullets and kills two people. The first guy only has a 10% kill rate while the second guy has a 100% kill rate. Which guy is deadlier?
 

SketchMaster

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Update on the story of the guy who ran into the kid:

The other evening I was out on the greenbelt trails giving my new 2.8" tires a good test. I rode until I hit a tail marker that signaled no bikes on the next section of the trail. Considering the waterscape in front of me, I decided to climb up on a large bolder and enjoy the peace.




It was getting towards twilight, and I was gathering my gear to head home, when I noticed a pinpoint of light bobbing down the section of trail that was hiking only. I realized it was someone on a bike and wondered if they knew that section was hike only. Right before the trail cleared and it became a bike path, the rider tried unsuccessfully to navigate around some large rocks and nearly flipped over their bars as they crashed.



I was about to get up and ask if they were ok, but the rider quickly got up and - grumbling heavily - continued on their way. I was able to get a good look at the rider as he biked past the boulder I was on, and realized it was the same guy who ran into the kid Sunday afternoon...

I never like to see anyone get hurt, but I will say that it was kinda nice to know that karma helps keep that guy in check.
 
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tynopik

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I still don't understand what you're arguing here. You think we should not have cars? Ban driving? That's the only thing that seems to keep popping up in your comments. Driving seems way too dangerous so we should get rid of it?

Look at how deadly driving is

Then think about how cycling is 10x deadlier than that

Then realize why bikes and cars don't belong on the road together
 

tynopik

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That's like saying someone who shoots 1000 bullets and hits 100 people and kills them is less deadly than someone who fires two bullets and kills two people. The first guy only has a 10% kill rate while the second guy has a 100% kill rate. Which guy is deadlier?

Bad comparison.

If your job is 10 miles away, it's 10 miles away whether you bike or drive. (unless you have some super awesome shortcut that allows you to cut your cycling down to 1 mile)

so given that the distance is fixed, is it better to drive or to cycle?

if you have to cycle on roads with cars, the answer is very clear: driving is far safer
 

cbrunny

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Look at how deadly driving is

Then think about how cycling is 10x deadlier than that

Then realize why bikes and cars don't belong on the road together

But cycling isn't 10 times more dangerous than driving.
 

dualsmp

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I don't think it's just cyclists. On the trails I walk and hike on I've noticed that over the last few years people have gotten surly. If you nod or wave and say hello they just ignore you or give you an irritated glance. Not all, but far more than five years ago. I think people are just stressed out and pissed off and want to be left alone, or at least that's my working theory.

I found this out a couple years ago when I started bike riding again. Would only ride on bike paths near me that stretched 10 miles or so. At first I would say hello to everyone, but 85% of the time people wouldn't respond. Once and awhile someone would nod or give a healthy hello, but it wasn't often. So I just started doing the half-wave by lifting my fingers slightly off the bar (which I still do).

There is lack of community from what I've observed, and half the people don't give a fark anymore to be honest. Everyone is within their own clique and anyone outside of it doesn't exist.
 

cubby1223

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I don't think it's just cyclists. On the trails I walk and hike on I've noticed that over the last few years people have gotten surly. If you nod or wave and say hello they just ignore you or give you an irritated glance. Not all, but far more than five years ago. I think people are just stressed out and pissed off and want to be left alone, or at least that's my working theory.

I think it's the personal electronic age, phones are our entertainment, screw having to deal with and get along with people, what's the point of it?
 
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