Dear fellow cyclists,

SketchMaster

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After being out of the sport for some time (~11yrs), I recently got back into cycling. Over the course of 2015 I realized there is a big problem with our sport, one that is bringing on some flack that I think is well deserved at this point.

The problem is a lot of us are acting like raging assholes.

I don’t know why or how it’s gotten so bad, but it seems like every other cyclist I meet gives me a dirty look when I give them a wave and a smile. Didn’t we all start cycling because it was fun? Sure, some of us rely on it for transportation and need to get places in a hurry (I ride to work whenever I can). That doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy being on a bike when it’s 72*, sunny, and a few clouds are decorating the deep blue skyline. If a fellow biker crosses our paths, we should show some comradery to each other.

As if having a bad attitude isn’t enough, I see us riding on the sidewalk downtown at 15+ MPH, running red lights, cutting off cars, and simply ignoring every law ever put in place for cycling. We put people in danger as we speed along busy jogging paths/sidewalks/multi-use trails, angrily yelling at someone to move; that is, if we are even bothering to warn them that we are passing. Some of us seem to have developed a kind of pseudo status, believing that a bike is superior and everything else must yield to us. Let me remind you that when on the road we follow the same laws cars do. When we are not on the road we HAVE to be aware of pedestrians, and we should be willing to yield to them so everyone can stay safe. The ONLY exception to this is if we are on a trail designated for bikes.

Yes, drivers may get annoyed with us. They may feel it isn’t fair they had to give up space on the road for a bike lane. They may get annoyed when they have to slow down and wait to pass because we're riding on the shoulder. Yes, people on foot are at times oblivious to us. They wear headphones so they can’t hear us warning them. They clog up the trails and make us lose all the speed we worked so hard to build for that killer 15% hill, so we have to get off and walk our bikes to the top. Their kids are spazzes that test our reflexes and emergency breaking skills when they dart out in front of us.

That doesn’t give us the right to treat every person we meet the way we are sometimes treated. Most people feel embarrassed when they cause us trouble by accident; handle the aftermath with discretion, politely educate when possible. Jerks are jerks, so unless they actively trying to harm you it’s best to just ignore them. You need your energy for that next hill.

Story time:

The tipping point that motivated me to write this is due to something I experienced while riding my mountain bike today:

I was riding a very rocky and narrow trail near downtown. It was 69* out after a week of bitter cold (for Austin), so the trails were very busy. I gave my usual “passing on your X side!” warning to a younger couple that had their backs to me, they stepped aside with no bother to anyone, and I gave a quick “thanks!” as I rode past. About 200ft after that, a cyclist in his 50s came riding down the trail towards me. The rocks had cleared so it was easy to give him some room. As he rode past I gave a quick “howdy”, but I just got a quick glance from him as he pedaled past me to pick up some speed. I figured he was a bit in the zone since this trail can get a little technical, so didn’t think much of it at the time.

Then about 30 seconds later, I hear the voice of an older man scream out “HEEEEEEEEEEY!!!”. I slammed on my breaks and turned my head to see what had happened. The trees blocked my view, but I had assumed the man that had just passed me was yelling at the younger couple to get out of his way. I stood for a moment to listen but didn’t hear anything that made me feel I should go back and check. I decided to just continue with my ride.

About an hour later, I was heading back the way I came. I was taking a foot path that follows a river near downtown and needed to cross a long narrow wooden bridge that stretched over the river. There were a father and his son (about six) in front of me that were also needing to cross the bridge. I slowed to a near crawl as I waited for traffic to clear enough for me to pass the father and son. They saw me behind them, but the kid was unsure of what to do and jumped to the other side of the bridge.

…Right in front of a bike that was coming the other way on the bridge.

I was out of arms reach of the kid and could do nothing. The father grabbed for his son while the other cyclist hit his breaks hard. The father wasn’t able to pull his son out of the way fast enough, and the kid was hit in the head by the cyclists handle bar. Thankfully the kid wasn’t hurt bad, he mostly got hit by the guys hand and was just knocked back towards his dad. The cyclist reached down to ask the kid if he was ok and telling the dad the kid mostly hit his arm. I looked up from the kid to the cyclist's face and realized it was the same guy I heard yelling at the young couple earlier. The rider looked up from the kid and looked at me for a moment. I asked if he was ok, he just stared at me…

I turned back to the father and asked if he was sure the kid was ok, the father said yes. The other cyclist rode off without saying a single word to me. I apologized to the father for spooking his kid and causing the mess, but in the back of my head, I wondering why the hell that other rider felt the need to be going so fast on a busy pedestrian bridge.


Edit 1/9/2016: Surprise dose of karma given to rider! See post #168 for the story.


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So if you ride a bike, even if it’s just as a fair weather weekend rider, please go read up on the rules of riding. Above all else, remember to set a good example for other riders.

Sincerely,

A Concerned Cyclist.
 
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Captante

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I ride too and also do my best to be friendly, courteous and to follow the rules of the road/trails etc while protecting my own safety.

Unfortunately just like everywhere else there are plenty of idiots who seem hell-bent on ruining things for everyone by being stupid and selfish.
 
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Humpy

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I just yell "Strava!!!" and keep pedaling. I figure people will understand the importance of a new PR.
 

core2slow

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Saw a dude at a light waiting to make a left turn along with the cars. Seriously wtf, is this allowed? It's a pretty busy intersection with 5 lanes each way and all I could think was his machoness will turn him into road kill one day...
 
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amicold

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Saw a dude at a light waiting to make a left turn along with the cars. Seriously wtf, is this allowed? It's a pretty busy intersection with 5 lanes each way and all I could think was his machoness will turn him into road kill one day...

It is the only legal way to make a left from a red while on a bike.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Saw a dude at a light waiting to make a left turn along with the cars. Seriously wtf, is this allowed? It's a pretty busy intersection with 5 lanes each way and all I could think was his machoness will turn him into road kill one day...

Considering how slow drivers here are to react to protected lefts, I don't see any issue with cyclists doing this. Are you expecting them to head to the right and wait through two pedestrian crosswalks before continuing on their way?
 

core2slow

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Considering how slow drivers here are to react to protected lefts, I don't see any issue with cyclists doing this. Are you expecting them to head to the right and wait through two pedestrian crosswalks before continuing on their way?
At first yea, but I just did a google search and found out that cyclists have the same rights as motorists. My apologies!
 

Ruptga

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At first yea, but I just did a google search and found out that cyclists have the same rights as motorists. My apologies!

It does depend some from state to state, but generally the law considers a bike to be more of a car than a pedestrian.
 

Skeeedunt

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Cheers friend. I try to give cyclists as much berth and leeway as possible. It's only the indignant a-holes that deserve our driving ire.
 

tortillasoup

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if there is one reason to look forward to self driving cars, it's because it will be safer to ride a bike or motorcycle.
 

Markbnj

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I don't think it's just cyclists. On the trails I walk and hike on I've noticed that over the last few years people have gotten surly. If you nod or wave and say hello they just ignore you or give you an irritated glance. Not all, but far more than five years ago. I think people are just stressed out and pissed off and want to be left alone, or at least that's my working theory.
 

SketchMaster

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Saw a dude at a light waiting to make a left turn along with the cars. Seriously wtf, is this allowed? It's a pretty busy intersection with 5 lanes each way and all I could think was his machoness will turn him into road kill one day...
So if you're on a bike you're exempt from using the crosswalk signals? I'm Just curious about cyclist's rule of the road.

As others said, bikes are more like cars in the eyes of the law. In fact, you'd be surprised how many states actually classify bikes as vehicles!

Treatment as a Vehicle

In Texas bicycles are vehicles according to the statute that defines vehicles and a person riding a bicycle has all of the rights and duties of a driver of a vehicle under the Texas Rules of the Road, except for special regulations specific to bicycles and those provisions that by their nature can have no application.

Source: Tex. Transp. Code Ann. §§541.201(23); 551.101

Now, it's up to the rider to decide if they have the skill and leg power to safely make that turn. Some riders have the ability to keep up with traffic, others just avoid the larger roads when they can. I'm not there myself, so on a busy street I will pull over and take the cross walk; though I'm required to walk my bike across the street when using a cross walk.

I don't think it's just cyclists. On the trails I walk and hike on I've noticed that over the last few years people have gotten surly. If you nod or wave and say hello they just ignore you or give you an irritated glance. Not all, but far more than five years ago. I think people are just stressed out and pissed off and want to be left alone, or at least that's my working theory.

I won't argue that. People as a whole can be pretty darn moody, but I find I get more flack from other cyclists than I do people.
 
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tynopik

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the biggest problem with cyclists is that they're on my roads
 
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Denly

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I bike to work in the warm months as much as possible and I tried my best to share the road with cars like most do for work commutes.

However I have huge problem with those weekend biker - those full gears and expensive bike - very often I see them not using the bike lane AT ALL. For example a group of TWO riding slowly side by side chatting in the car lane when there is bike lane available. WTF is that?
 

IronWing

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Saw a dude at a light waiting to make a left turn along with the cars. Seriously wtf, is this allowed? It's a pretty busy intersection with 5 lanes each way and all I could think was his machoness will turn him into road kill one day...

The way to do this safely and with courtesy to the car drivers is to wait on the right hand side of the right-most left turn lane and stay to the right side of the lane throughout the turn so the cars don't have to wait for you to make the turn, just like keeping to the right as one normally would while peddling down a block. Just watch out for the oncoming folks turning right. They'll try to kill you, right of way be damned.

The thing not to do is to ride your bike in little circles in front of the waiting cars, preventing them from turning, because you don't want to take your shoes out of the clips.
 

SketchMaster

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the biggest problem with cyclists is that they're on my roads

It'd be really helpful if you could give me some examples of encounters you've had with cyclists, I may be able to better explain their behavior.

However I have huge problem with those weekend biker - those full gears and expensive bike - very often I see them not using the bike lane AT ALL. For example a group of TWO riding slowly side by side chatting in the car lane when there is bike lane available. WTF is that?

Eeeeh... That's more legal than you'd think. I won't lie, here in Austin get infuriated with casual riders who bunch up (three abreast or more) on the roads and slow everyone down. They should be two abreast and, just like a car, they should pull over and let traffic by if there is a line forming behind them.
 
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tynopik

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It'd be really helpful if you could give me some examples of encounters you've had with cyclists, I may be able to better explain their behavior.

was I not clear? The problem is that they're on the road in the first place.

If you can't keep up with traffic, you don't belong on the road, period.

Even the 'best behaved' cyclist is a road hazard
 

brainhulk

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i just downloaded strava. people need to know that getting KOM supercedes everything, including their safety
 

K1052

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Something about putting human beings on wheels turns a certain percentage of us into horrible assholes. There also seems to be a proportionate increase in the asshole factor related to the number of wheels/size of vehicle.
 

SketchMaster

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was I not clear? The problem is that they're on the road in the first place.

If you can't keep up with traffic, you don't belong on the road, period.

Even the 'best behaved' cyclist is a road hazard

It's your right to feel that way. As long as while you're driving you don't try to harass or harm anyone that is legally riding a bike on the road, then it makes no nevermind to me.
 

IronWing

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was I not clear? The problem is that they're on the road in the first place.

If you can't keep up with traffic, you don't belong on the road, period.

Even the 'best behaved' cyclist is a road hazard

Only to folks who never learned to drive. The average lane is fourteen feet wide. The average car is less than seven feet wide (oversize starts at 8' 6"). If folks can't figure out how to safely coexist with a three foot wide bicyclist, maybe they shouldn't be driving.
 

tynopik

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Only to folks who never learned to drive. The average lane is fourteen feet wide. The average car is less than seven feet wide (oversize starts at 8' 6"). If folks can't figure out how to safely coexist with a three foot wide bicyclist, maybe they shouldn't be driving.

you obviously have no clue how this actually works in the real world
 
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