Discussion Dear those who thinks Democrats = Communism...

Stokely

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And China isn't even "Communism". Not even close to what it is "on paper". I never saw so many fancy Audis and Mercedes in my life when I visted Beijing and other big cities in China. The government may own something like half the businesses there, but that doesn't stop there from being a lot of rich there...and a lot of poor.

It is authoritarianism, and in that respect the GOP and China have a lot in common. They get uptite over different things, but the moral police is strong in each.

China has a lot of creepy and scary things (IMO) going on though, there's no doubt. Things like how they have social scores.
Then again, America has a huge number of people who believe in sky fairies, which I'm sure makes them scratch their head at our primitive superstitions....

Rubes like to use "Marxism" and "Communism" without having a clue what they mean or how close (or how far) any government on earth is from them. Same as our system is hardly pure capitalism (thankfully).
 

brycejones

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Didn't you call HOA's communism?

Yet you have the balls to start this thread? BTW none of what you posted has anything to do with the state owning the means of production. China is certainly an authoritarian system run by a single party that calls itself the Chinese Communist Party. The economic model actually in place in China has diverged quite a bit since the Revolution in 1949.

"A large sector of state-owned enterprises (SOEs) is well known as the hallmark of the Chinese economy. But exactly how much do they contribute to the country’s gross domestic product (GDP) and employment? Since available statistics do not provide a straightforward answer, this note attempts to make some estimations. In conclusion, estimations in this note suggest that the share of SOEs in China’s GDP should be twenty-three to twenty-eight percent and their share in employment can be anywhere between five and sixteen percent in 2017."
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“Zhang, Chunlin. 2019. How Much Do State-Owned Enterprises Contribute to China’s GDP and Employment?. World Bank, Washington, DC. © World Bank. https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/handle/10986/32306 License: CC BY 3.0 IGO.”

Basically the vast majority of economic activity in China happens in privately held businesses.
 

nakedfrog

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Speaking of studying communism, OP, can you explain to me how each of those is an example of communism?
 
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Jaskalas

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  • Socialism is the Government ownership of business.
  • Communism is Socialism plus Government ownership of private property.
China's partial ownership of business would resemble Socialism, or close to it.
Yet they also incorporate aspects of our society, with a great deal of One Party authoritarianism in to boot.
 

Amol S.

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Yeah, literally none of those are communism. They're varying examples of nanny-state authoritarianism, good-old-fashioned racism-based authoritarianism, and populist authoritarianism, respectively.
You might want to as well before spouting off as if you know things.
I am going to be a man, and say that I am at fault for mixing up what, authoritarianism and socialism put together is, with communism. But it still leaves the question to why China's main party is called "Chinese Communist Party", when they are not even communists. On a side note though, before Russia came the country USSR. Infact, no socialist country has stood for more than 100 years, all have failed some time or later. Right now Cuba looks like it is going to fail and its communist regime is going to fall under soon. That leads to another question, is China going to end breaking up into smaller countries like the USSR did, sometime in this century?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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But it still leaves the question to why China's main party is called "Chinese Communist Party", when they are not even communists.
Because marketing? Same reason North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (it's not democratic nor a republic), the USSR was Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (not socialist, and barely a Union), and USA is United States of America (clearly not united). It's just bullshit.

Remember that CN has been in a state of flux for the better part of 10 thousand years. Yeah, they'll probably lose some part, gain some part, split apart, and reestablish dominance, probably via overt violence. Quit thinking that borders and names are permanent, because they aren't.
 
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nickqt

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I am going to be a man, and say that I am at fault for mixing up what, authoritarianism and socialism put together is, with communism. But it still leaves the question to why China's main party is called "Chinese Communist Party", when they are not even communists. On a side note though, before Russia came the country USSR. Infact, no socialist country has stood for more than 100 years, all have failed some time or later. Right now Cuba looks like it is going to fail and its communist regime is going to fall under soon. That leads to another question, is China going to end breaking up into smaller countries like the USSR did, sometime in this century?
Man are you gonna be confused when you read about the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
 

DaaQ

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I am going to be a man, and say that I am at fault for mixing up what, authoritarianism and socialism put together is, with communism. But it still leaves the question to why China's main party is called "Chinese Communist Party", when they are not even communists. On a side note though, before Russia came the country USSR. Infact, no socialist country has stood for more than 100 years, all have failed some time or later. Right now Cuba looks like it is going to fail and its communist regime is going to fall under soon. That leads to another question, is China going to end breaking up into smaller countries like the USSR did, sometime in this century?
If I may ask, how old are you? born prior to the early 80's? Absolutely no offense meant here.
 

DaaQ

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No, I was born in 96. Last I had history class was in high school... almost 6 years ago.
I was supposed to graduate in 91, while I was in American History, I asked the teacher at the time to explain to me the difference between a Republican and a Democrat, because I couldn't understand it at that time.
Well she couldn't explain it either and I got chastised, or lowered grade or whatever due to it. This was right before or right around the invasion of Kuwait.
 

Amol S.

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you know there was a Russia before the USSR correct?
Yes, but at the same time, there was a China before Communist party China. Between the empire ruled china and communist party ruled china.
 

Franz316

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OP you need to read some books and get educated on world history, along with different types economic and government systems. Or else you're just going to embarrass yourself more. Modern China is by and large an Authoritarian one party system with the slightest hint of socialism. Russia is in the same boat. They are both overtly oppressive towards free speech to maintain control. That's not communism.

We don't want want to be like either one of them. But we also don't want to be run by bought off corporate puppets. For the US I see three options.. oligarchy (we are here), fascism, or young people bring us towards European style socialism.
 
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HomerJS

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OP you need to read some books and get educated on world history, along with different types economic and government systems. Or else you're just going to embarrass yourself more. Modern China is by and large an Authoritarian one party system with the slightest hint of socialism. Russia is in the same boat. They are both overtly oppressive towards free speech to maintain control. That's not communism.

We don't want want to be like either one of them. But we also don't want to be run by bought off corporate puppets. For the US I see three options.. oligarchy (we are here), fascism, or young people bring us towards European style socialism.
I don't think the OP intended to get into the weeds of all the technical details of communism. The broader point of the OP was to point out the absolute folly of Republicans constantly claiming Democrats are communist. The same thing can be said about socialism. It's almost like Tourette's with them whenever a Democrat says or proposes anything...

SOCIALIST!!
COMMUNIST!!!
 
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