You can't put crosshairs on people (oops sorry, I mean districts) and insinuate or hint at things and then when something actually happens act like it's not what you really meant. It's like a win win for them.
Dude, your user name is "Rightiswrong". Assuming you weren't judged so incompetent as to have a user name selected for you, you are a lefty by your own designation.Uhh....can you show me where I used "violent" rhetoric?
You are one really mixed up dude. Let me explain this slowly (where's the crayola font when you need it?):
1. I didn't blame Palin's words for causing the shooting
2. I do believe that they can and just may have contributed to it just like any person on the left making statements of the same kind using violent metaphors
3. You don't know jack shit about me, my politics or my thoughts on any topic other than what I have posted and you don't even know if I'm just trying to rile up fucktards such as yourself to get a stiffie.
Think about that when labeling me or anyone a "lefty" on the basis that you think you have some insight into my psyche from a couple of random internet posting. Because, if you don't, you show yourself to be an "idiot incapable of even the simplest logic".
Dude, your user name is "Rightiswrong". Assuming you weren't judged so incompetent as to have a user name selected for you, you are a lefty by your own designation.
Even though the political divide and partisan rhetoric on all sides is somewhat at all all time high now, I find it difficult to blame that for this latest Arizona shootout.
I blame it on the lone gunman and there is no making sense out of a nut. There are thousand if not hundreds of thousand of such in the USA at any one given time. Sure we can say that the Arizona shooter showed all the classic signs, social isolation, moving away from all his previous friends, disturbing outbursts, but still not all that different than many such cases. The point is and remains that most of such somewhat nutty people never become a threat, and usually later straighten up and reorient.
But in the case of the Arizona shooter we have a case where everyone and their brother and law is now saying we should have known this was a coming and stopped him before. And down that road is a police state.
As for all the free floating hate speech and lack of logic pundits, I just think they are not too influential in the twisted logic of an actual about to use violence nut. We can maybe refer back to John Hinkley, the fellow who wounded Ronald Reagan, and we later find that somehow Hinkley though if he killed someone any one important, the movie star Brooke Shields would suddenly love him. Nor did this recent shooter's elevator seeming go to the top, we might say he was targeting the democratic congresswoman, but once he seemingly killed her, why did he not simply leave mission accomplished? But no, he did no such thing, and simply started shooting everyone around him, a Republican Federal judge, and 16 more people, including a nine year girl. And would have shot more but finally got tackled while trying to change clips. That is not the work of a nut with a focused mind and clear target, its an act of total violent senseless killing and nothing more. If he did not pick a democratic congresswoman to initially target he would have picked someone anyone else.
Dude, your user name is "Rightiswrong". Assuming you weren't judged so incompetent as to have a user name selected for you, you are a lefty by your own designation.
You lefties are so funny. Decry violent rhetoric, then use it. Blame the shooting on Palin's violent rhetoric, then blame Palin's death threats on Palin's violent rhetoric. It's like you actually want people to see you as dishonest idiots incapable of even the simplest logic.
Tristicus said:Death threats are absolutely fine when they come from my side...just don't make them against my people!
Palin said:Journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn
Patranus said:The left better how nothing happens to Palin, because if something does and it looks like it was done in retaliation to this shooting in AZ, there is going to be a backlash this country hasn't seen in some time.
matt0611 said:Damn liberals need to tone down their rhetoric immediately!! Arghhhhh!
BoberFett said:It's the Democrat culture of hate.
I'm sorry but what evidence do any of you have that the left/democrats are responsible for these threats? As far as we know its just some crazy people who are responsible, why blame anyone else but them? Why try and politicize this?
The same reason people politicize anything, so they can be on the right side, and it's quite a powerful feeling.
If that's the case, then I humbly apologize for lumping you in with those seeking to profit politically for this tragedy.Or, it could be a ploy on the philosophical belief that what we interpret and believe to be "right" in our society is not inherently so, henceforth, making it "wrong".
Welcome to the world of moral relativism.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-relativism/
I'm sorry, but for all the time the left has spent preaching the moral high ground and then using the exact same tactics they purport to hate to exploit a tragedy. Yeah, I'm not saying the Conservatives do any better, but this time around its the Democrats being hypocrites and it's nice that it shows.
You should just realize 80% of people are hypocrites and hollow shells, and take your world view from that.
My point was not about those threatening Palin, assuming this isn't just smoke and mirrors, although I find it hard to believe that the right is threatening her. My point was that the left is screaming that Palin is responsible for this tragedy, as well as screaming that Palin is responsible for her own death threats, WHILE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING. Neither can have it both ways. If Palin's claims about the Democrats cause violence, then the left's claims about Palin must be causing the death threats.I'm sorry but what evidence do any of you have that the left/democrats are responsible for these threats? As far as we know its just some crazy people who are responsible, why blame anyone else but them? Why try and politicize this?
I'm sorry, but for all the time the left has spent preaching the moral high ground and then using the exact same tactics they purport to hate to exploit a tragedy. Yeah, I'm not saying the Conservatives do any better, but this time around its the Democrats being hypocrites and it's nice that it shows.
My point was not about those threatening Palin, assuming this isn't just smoke and mirrors, although I find it hard to believe that the right is threatening her. My point was that the left is screaming that Palin is responsible for this tragedy, as well as screaming that Palin is responsible for her own death threats, WHILE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING. Neither can have it both ways. If Palin's claims about the Democrats cause violence, then the left's claims about Palin must be causing the death threats.
Congratulations, you have the clearest, most sensible post on the Internet today, including my own.Even though the political divide and partisan rhetoric on all sides is somewhat at all all time high now, I find it difficult to blame that for this latest Arizona shootout.
I blame it on the lone gunman and there is no making sense out of a nut. There are thousand if not hundreds of thousand of such in the USA at any one given time. Sure we can say that the Arizona shooter showed all the classic signs, social isolation, moving away from all his previous friends, disturbing outbursts, but still not all that different than many such cases. The point is and remains that most of such somewhat nutty people never become a threat, and usually later straighten up and reorient.
But in the case of the Arizona shooter we have a case where everyone and their brother and law is now saying we should have known this was a coming and stopped him before. And down that road is a police state.
As for all the free floating hate speech and lack of logic pundits, I just think they are not too influential in the twisted logic of an actual about to use violence nut. We can maybe refer back to John Hinkley, the fellow who wounded Ronald Reagan, and we later find that somehow Hinkley though if he killed someone any one important, the movie star Brooke Shields would suddenly love him. Nor did this recent shooter's elevator seeming go to the top, we might say he was targeting the democratic congresswoman, but once he seemingly killed her, why did he not simply leave mission accomplished? But no, he did no such thing, and simply started shooting everyone around him, a Republican Federal judge, and 16 more people, including a nine year girl. And would have shot more but finally got tackled while trying to change clips. That is not the work of a nut with a focused mind and clear target, its an act of total violent senseless killing and nothing more. If he did not pick a democratic congresswoman to initially target he would have picked someone anyone else.
How are Democrats being hypocrites? I haven't seen Sarah Palin in crosshairs, or talk of "2nd amendment solutions", or slogans like "don't retreat, reload", or "shoot an M16"....
Perhaps you missed the last week, which has shown that this young man is in no way "right wing". Ask someone to explain it to you. Slowly. With small words.
Of course not. Such slogans would violate their party platform. Instead they directly blame her for the deaths of several people and the wounding of many others. Yeah, doesn't have the same bite at all.
If anything, the right's crap could be dismissed as made-up party rhetoric. Directly blaming someone for insighting an actual killing from the moment it happened is a much more serious charge.
My point was not about those threatening Palin, assuming this isn't just smoke and mirrors, although I find it hard to believe that the right is threatening her.
My point was that the left is screaming that Palin is responsible for this tragedy, as well as screaming that Palin is responsible for her own death threats, WHILE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING. Neither can have it both ways. If Palin's claims about the Democrats cause violence, then the left's claims about Palin must be causing the death threats.
Palin said:Acts of monstrous criminality stand on their own. They begin and end with the criminals who commit them, not collectively with all the citizens of a state, not with those who listen to talk radio, not with maps of swing districts used by both sides of the aisle, not with law-abiding citizens who respectfully exercise their First Amendment rights at campaign rallies, not with those who proudly voted in the last election.
So what about my question that I edited into my post?
If someone decides to kill Julian Assange after I've been saying he has blood on his hands, does that mean I'm a hypocrite?
BTW, there were nuts who were using the same rhetoric in the Bush era. They weren't mainstream Democrats, they were on the far left. I've been saying that from the beginning. Meanwhile, the mainstream Republicans are the ones saying things like "don't retreat, reload" and "2nd amendment solutions".
I don't know what mainstream republicans you've talked to. Suffice to say Limbaugh and Palin are not mainstream. They're fringe radicals like every other. They just make good media whores.
Palin was the VP candidate in 2008. She's one of the leading contenders for president in 2012. She has her own TV show on a fair and balanced news network. She's mainstream and she has a lot of fans.