Death Toll in Iran Mosque Explosion Up to 12

[Aimster]

Then PROVE IT

What the hell u all doing posting on a political forum if you are not going to prove anything?

I am waiting

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Anyone who continues to deny Iran's roles in the violence throughout Iraq is an idiot.

period.

You were asked to show proof. Now when you can't, you call everyone an "idiot."

:laugh:

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
There is no proof Iran is responsible for anything happening inside Iraq.

There is actually plenty of proof that Iran is very directly involved in funding, arming, and training the insurgents in Iraq -- you simply refuse to admit it.

I want to see

I guess you missed General Petraeus' most recent testimony...?

A few snippets...

Though a Sadr stand-down resolved the situation to a degree, the flare-up also highlighted the destructive role Iran has played in funding, training, arming and directing the so-called special groups, and generated renewed concern about Iran in the minds of many Iraqi leaders. Unchecked, the special groups pose the greatest long-term threat to the viability of a democratic Iraq.

And Iran has fueled the violence, as I noted, in a particularly damaging way through its lethal support to the special groups.

Together with the Iraqi security forces we have also focused on the special groups. These elements are funded, trained, armed and directed by Iran's Quds Force with help from Lebanese Hezbollah. It was these groups that launched Iranian rockets and mortar rounds at Iraq's seat of government two weeks ago

However, nefarious activities by the Quds Force have continued and Iraqi leaders now clearly recognize the threat they pose to Iraq. We should all watch Iranian actions closely in the weeks and months ahead as they will show the kind of relationship Iran wishes to have with its neighbor and the character of future Iranian involvement in Iraq.

4-star Generals > Aimster.

How is that considered proof?

Bush is the Commander and Chief of the military and I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

Forget Bush. All the generals that yakked about "OMG WMDS, PROOF, MAPS, PICTURES, L00K!!1" were all wrong. Until I see Ahmedinijad walking around with a big nuke I've got every reason to believe they're just trying to build power plants.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Anyone who continues to deny Iran's roles in the violence throughout Iraq is an idiot.

period.

You were asked to show proof. Now when you can't, you call everyone an "idiot."

:laugh:

I posted the sworn testimony of the U.S. four-star General who currently commands our forces in Iraq. For most, that is enough...

So, if the "idiot" shoe fits,...

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Anyone who continues to deny Iran's roles in the violence throughout Iraq is an idiot.

period.

You were asked to show proof. Now when you can't, you call everyone an "idiot."

:laugh:

I posted the sworn testimony of the U.S. four-star General who currently commands our forces in Iraq. For most, that is enough...

So, if the "idiot" shoe fits,...

I can post the sworn testimonies of all the high ranking US officials that said time and time again that Iraq was littered with WMDs. Over time it became clear that they were all full of shit. Why should I believe what they're still saying about the same war?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Anyone who continues to deny Iran's roles in the violence throughout Iraq is an idiot.

period.

You were asked to show proof. Now when you can't, you call everyone an "idiot."

:laugh:

I posted the sworn testimony of the U.S. four-star General who currently commands our forces in Iraq. For most, that is enough...

So, if the "idiot" shoe fits,...

That's still not proof. Proof would be considered on what he based his testimony. Not his testimony alone.

 

[pinktank]

I think the government should know about Iran's weapons, they were the ones who sold it to them after all *snicker*

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Reminders like this topic are required until you stop defending it and agree to a campaign to pressure Islam into cutting out its cancer.

And we do such a good job of getting rid of our own cancer, right?

So through our own imperfections - what? You suggest nothing in the face of violent supremacy. You did not make your intentions clear except as to rebut what I stated. Do you oppose my suggested action?

I marvel at any opponent to the ideal of moderation in the face of such consequences as we have seen in New York.

 

[pinktank]

new york wasn't related to Iraq, not that there is anything certain about new york anyway

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Reminders like this topic are required until you stop defending it and agree to a campaign to pressure Islam into cutting out its cancer.

And we do such a good job of getting rid of our own cancer, right?

So through our own imperfections - what? You suggest nothing in the face of violent supremacy. You did not make your intentions clear except as to rebut what I stated. Do you oppose my suggested action?

I marvel at any opponent to the ideal of moderation in the face of such consequences as we have seen in New York.

I am just pointing out that it seems hypocritical to expect Muslims in general to rid the planet of its own extremists. We live under a democratic system, and we can't get rid of our own extremists, in fact, Bush was re-elected. And while he can't run again, the neo-conservatives surrounding him can certainly find their way into an office and/or position. Hell, this country is about to elect McCain who cannot even admit that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake.

 

[dahunan]

What about the USA role in all the shit happening in Iraq... did we really honestly make that place better?

Museums trashed
Schools trashed
Many hosipitals trashed
Educated Elite run for their lives to other countries
unemployment sky high
distrust of america even higher <, we tortured and anal raped with batons people in Iraq in abu-ghraib
oil industry ... hmm.... did we already start handing out contracts to US Corpserations?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Socio
Death Toll in Iran Explosion Up to 12

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) ? Iranian officials raised the death toll from an explosion in a packed mosque in southern Iran to 12 on Sunday and said more than 200 had been injured in the blast.

Iranian media initially quoted local officials as saying the explosion Saturday in the city of Shiraz was caused by a homemade bomb and could have been religiously motivated.

But officials gave a different account on Sunday, saying it was an accident possibly caused by ammunition leftover from a recent military exhibition in the mosque.

"It was not because of bombing," said Abbas Mohtaj, deputy interior minister in charge of security. The "explosion was due to an accident which is under investigation," he added.

When was the last time you went to church to see a military exhibition with live ordinances no less?

I know one thing for sure a military exhibition with live ordinances in a place of worship is not congruent to religious peace and love.

However I bet it was an accident alright; I am thinking it was a class on how to make, deploy roadside bombs and someone put the wrong two wires together and boom!

So there has never been a holocaust exposition in a church? After all, this concerned an exposition about the Iraq-Iran war.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: pinktank
Islam forbids the destruction of holy places (of the three god-sent religions).

I believe that is why they called it an accident, obviously whatever they were doing was not intended to blow up their own mosque it was likely intended to blow something else up like Americans in Iraq most likely.

Originally posted by: pinktank
the problem with the war is, you're not attacking the "terrorists" as many dont know the difference and cant tell so you attack a whole region, which happens to be very profitable for the cream of the economic classes.

There is the problem and the reason, absolutely no one can tell the difference between a terrorist and not a terrorist so if you are going to deal with it you take the whole then sort out the not terrorists from the terrorists as you go.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: Aimster
How many Iranians are inside Iraq blowing themselves up or killing American troops.
70M Iranians.

Far more than the Arab population inside Iraq and surrounding Iraq.

Surely you can come up with a solid % figure to justify this ridiculous garbage thread of yours.

How is this a garbage thread? Oh I forgot; because it paints Iran in a negative light. Defend Iran at all costs!!!

And the purpose of this thread is?
It's an Islamic bashing thread with some b.s Iranian roadside bomb crap tied to it.
which in turn = garbage thread. If you think anything educational will come out of this thread then I could only feel sorry for you.

The purpose of the thread was to show the fact that war and relegion obviously go hand in hand in Islam.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: pinktank
the problem with the war is, you're not attacking the "terrorists" as many dont know the difference and cant tell so you attack a whole region, which happens to be very profitable for the cream of the economic classes.

There is the problem and the reason, absolutely no one can tell the difference between a terrorist and not a terrorist so if you are going to deal with it you take the whole then sort out the not terrorists from the terrorists as you go.

Just like we did with the Japanese during WW2, right? :roll:
Any "not terrorists" killed are just collateral damage, right?

 

[piasabird]

There are also religious pilgrims who want to visit Holy Shrines and areas in Iraq from Iran.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Then PROVE IT

What the hell u all doing posting on a political forum if you are not going to prove anything?

I am waiting

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...03/09/28/ixportal.html

An old article, but not inaccurate.

 

[Nebor]

Any proof we ever post, Aimster deems as not good enough. The Austrian .50 caliber sniper rifles that were sold to Iran under the condition they not export them were handed over to insurgents in Iraq and found, serial numbers matched to those sold to the Iranians.

Advanced IEDs with armor penetrators that only the Iranians have the capabilities to make, and with parts that were traced via serial numbers back to Iran.

None of that matters. Aimster will say that those weapons came through Lebanon or Syria, so Iran has no culpability. Sorry Aimster, Lebanon and Syria have already gotten their ass kicked for supporting terrorism against Israel and the United States. Iran is next. To make an analogy appropriate for this board, if you're getting sprayed with bullets from a heavy weapons guy, you can shoot him all you want but he's not going down until you take out of that medic hiding behind him.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Aimster
Then PROVE IT

What the hell u all doing posting on a political forum if you are not going to prove anything?

I am waiting

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...03/09/28/ixportal.html

An old article, but not inaccurate.

That article doesn't show one ounce of proof.
Just the author saying "U.S believes"
&
"Some guy who said he is part of Iran's secret service said this..."

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Any proof we ever post, Aimster deems as not good enough. The Austrian .50 caliber sniper rifles that were sold to Iran under the condition they not export them were handed over to insurgents in Iraq and found, serial numbers matched to those sold to the Iranians.

Advanced IEDs with armor penetrators that only the Iranians have the capabilities to make, and with parts that were traced via serial numbers back to Iran.

None of that matters. Aimster will say that those weapons came through Lebanon or Syria, so Iran has no culpability. Sorry Aimster, Lebanon and Syria have already gotten their ass kicked for supporting terrorism against Israel and the United States. Iran is next. To make an analogy appropriate for this board, if you're getting sprayed with bullets from a heavy weapons guy, you can shoot him all you want but he's not going down until you take out of that medic hiding behind him.

Those rifles were cloned and sold to Syria and Lebanon.
I already pointed out that the Telegraph article was wrong and yet you still post it?

Why the hell would I bother reading the rest of your b.s post?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Nebor
Any proof we ever post, Aimster deems as not good enough. The Austrian .50 caliber sniper rifles that were sold to Iran under the condition they not export them were handed over to insurgents in Iraq and found, serial numbers matched to those sold to the Iranians.

Advanced IEDs with armor penetrators that only the Iranians have the capabilities to make, and with parts that were traced via serial numbers back to Iran.

None of that matters. Aimster will say that those weapons came through Lebanon or Syria, so Iran has no culpability. Sorry Aimster, Lebanon and Syria have already gotten their ass kicked for supporting terrorism against Israel and the United States. Iran is next. To make an analogy appropriate for this board, if you're getting sprayed with bullets from a heavy weapons guy, you can shoot him all you want but he's not going down until you take out of that medic hiding behind him.

Those rifles were cloned and sold to Syria and Lebanon.
I already pointed out that the Telegraph article was wrong and yet you still post it?

Why the hell would I bother reading the rest of your b.s post?

The Iranians have been caught lying repeatedly. Why would I listen to anything Ayatollah Khamenei has to say, other than a death knell?

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Nebor
Any proof we ever post, Aimster deems as not good enough. The Austrian .50 caliber sniper rifles that were sold to Iran under the condition they not export them were handed over to insurgents in Iraq and found, serial numbers matched to those sold to the Iranians.

Advanced IEDs with armor penetrators that only the Iranians have the capabilities to make, and with parts that were traced via serial numbers back to Iran.

None of that matters. Aimster will say that those weapons came through Lebanon or Syria, so Iran has no culpability. Sorry Aimster, Lebanon and Syria have already gotten their ass kicked for supporting terrorism against Israel and the United States. Iran is next. To make an analogy appropriate for this board, if you're getting sprayed with bullets from a heavy weapons guy, you can shoot him all you want but he's not going down until you take out of that medic hiding behind him.

Those rifles were cloned and sold to Syria and Lebanon.
I already pointed out that the Telegraph article was wrong and yet you still post it?

Why the hell would I bother reading the rest of your b.s post?

The Iranians have been caught lying repeatedly. Why would I listen to anything Ayatollah Khamenei has to say, other than a death knell?

I think I have to reiterate a previous poster.

Defend Iran at All Cost.

 

[amddude]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Nebor
Any proof we ever post, Aimster deems as not good enough. The Austrian .50 caliber sniper rifles that were sold to Iran under the condition they not export them were handed over to insurgents in Iraq and found, serial numbers matched to those sold to the Iranians.

Advanced IEDs with armor penetrators that only the Iranians have the capabilities to make, and with parts that were traced via serial numbers back to Iran.

None of that matters. Aimster will say that those weapons came through Lebanon or Syria, so Iran has no culpability. Sorry Aimster, Lebanon and Syria have already gotten their ass kicked for supporting terrorism against Israel and the United States. Iran is next. To make an analogy appropriate for this board, if you're getting sprayed with bullets from a heavy weapons guy, you can shoot him all you want but he's not going down until you take out of that medic hiding behind him.

Those rifles were cloned and sold to Syria and Lebanon.
I already pointed out that the Telegraph article was wrong and yet you still post it?

Why the hell would I bother reading the rest of your b.s post?

Those are pretty nice rifles. I doubt Iran just up and cloned them. There have been photos of iranian explosive devices and rpg's all over the internet, found in Iraq. You are in denial.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: amddude

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Nebor
Any proof we ever post, Aimster deems as not good enough. The Austrian .50 caliber sniper rifles that were sold to Iran under the condition they not export them were handed over to insurgents in Iraq and found, serial numbers matched to those sold to the Iranians.

Advanced IEDs with armor penetrators that only the Iranians have the capabilities to make, and with parts that were traced via serial numbers back to Iran.

None of that matters. Aimster will say that those weapons came through Lebanon or Syria, so Iran has no culpability. Sorry Aimster, Lebanon and Syria have already gotten their ass kicked for supporting terrorism against Israel and the United States. Iran is next. To make an analogy appropriate for this board, if you're getting sprayed with bullets from a heavy weapons guy, you can shoot him all you want but he's not going down until you take out of that medic hiding behind him.

Those rifles were cloned and sold to Syria and Lebanon.
I already pointed out that the Telegraph article was wrong and yet you still post it?

Why the hell would I bother reading the rest of your b.s post?

Those are pretty nice rifles. I doubt Iran just up and cloned them. There have been photos of iranian explosive devices and rpg's all over the internet, found in Iraq. You are in denial.

They have been cloned.
Pictures of the clones have been out months before the so-called article that was posted on the Telegraph

which proves a) Telegraph got the delivery date wrong b) telegraph forgot to mention clones.

Iran is another China. They copy everything

I posted pictures of the clones to Nebor. He admitted Telegraph was probably wrong.. fast forward months later he posts the same B.S again

 

[gentobu]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Nebor
Any proof we ever post, Aimster deems as not good enough. The Austrian .50 caliber sniper rifles that were sold to Iran under the condition they not export them were handed over to insurgents in Iraq and found, serial numbers matched to those sold to the Iranians.

Advanced IEDs with armor penetrators that only the Iranians have the capabilities to make, and with parts that were traced via serial numbers back to Iran.

None of that matters. Aimster will say that those weapons came through Lebanon or Syria, so Iran has no culpability. Sorry Aimster, Lebanon and Syria have already gotten their ass kicked for supporting terrorism against Israel and the United States. Iran is next. To make an analogy appropriate for this board, if you're getting sprayed with bullets from a heavy weapons guy, you can shoot him all you want but he's not going down until you take out of that medic hiding behind him.

Those rifles were cloned and sold to Syria and Lebanon.
I already pointed out that the Telegraph article was wrong and yet you still post it?

Why the hell would I bother reading the rest of your b.s post?

Proof?

Defend Iran at all costs