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rgwalt

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Id go with another dog, just not a gigantic one. Maybe try a pug or something.

Avoid a pug at all costs! They aren't vicious or anything, but they have a lot of breathing and allergy problems. They are also very willful animals. Some people find this trait endearing... I find it extremely annoying. If you like the idea of a pug, get one mixed with something else, like a pomeranian. Mixes can have better attitudes and fewer breathing and allergy issues.

Another good breed to check out... corgi's!
 

Markbnj

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I had a black lab years ago. Quit honestly, highest maintenance dog I ever owned. Had severe separation anxiety to the point it tore apart our couch. Started home kenneling him after that. lol.

Did miss the welcome home last night I would have normally gotten from Trooper. Kids stop doing that after a certain age, though, I was surprised when my 10-year old came over and gave me a big hug a few seconds after he saw me. It won't last, though.

Yeah Black Labs can be anxious. Crating at home when you have to leave it for a longer period is actually a very sensible thing to do with a dog that has separation anxiety, and it's more comforting for the dog too.
 

SP33Demon

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You made the right decision, and whether you want to admit it or not - a dog of that size is a weapon. Giving the weapon to your child was not a smart move since they don't have the strength to control it, should they become aggressive/defensive such as Trooper. Next time you may want to look into a paying to have the dog socially trained so he's not so fearful (and as a result, aggressive/defensive) around humans. In fact, I recommend this to all dog owners who own big dogs that have the bite power to seriously injure a person.
 

foghorn67

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Lol wat? You ok bro?

So what you're saying is, "It is the dog owner's responsibility to keep a dog that bites people who approach it when warned it bites at home."?

It's probably you're own fault for posting the "'MERICA" bit. It pretty much makes you look like an idiot.
It's similar to saying the sky is blue, the ocean has tides, thats because America sucks.
You know the phrase "treated like dogs" was coined long before America existed. Go to any other country. Dogs are treated like property at best. Sometimes food, and some as parasites.
 
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This sucks, but I don't think you have much choice. A Great Dane that bites is kind of an untenable proposition in my opinion. Sorry for your loss.
 

alkemyst

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The problem with that is if he bites again, I could be legally responsible, even in someone else's hands.

You first have to acknowledge either you failed at training the dog or the dog is nuts. I'd side with the former.

Second, any dog, especially a great dane that is known to be aggressive should not be handled by children.

Your dog should be in a muzzle when he is out until he no longer shows aggression.

It's a sad place to be, but ultimately it's where you led him.
 

alkemyst

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You mean like the dumb ass that stuck her hand in the dog's personal space after being warned not to? That kind of responsibility? What if that same dumb ass stuck their hand in a wood chipper after being warned not to, is the wood chipper at fault? No the dumb ass that stuck their hand in it is. Personal responsibility indeed.

Doesn't work that way bro.

A dog is not a wood chipper and should not be biting people at all in public.
 

CPA

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You first have to acknowledge either you failed at training the dog or the dog is nuts. I'd side with the former.

Second, any dog, especially a great dane that is known to be aggressive should not be handled by children.

Your dog should be in a muzzle when he is out until he no longer shows aggression.

It's a sad place to be, but ultimately it's where you led him.

Wouldn't argue with any of that.
 

alkemyst

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Wouldn't argue with any of that.

Thanks, I was hoping my advice would be heard, this is a topic I am pretty up there in experience and knowledge.

I agree it's a sad time. At least you realize what you need to do in the future and that's a big plus. Many would have blamed the lady and the carrier (like they have above)...it's possible to that the dog was a 'bad dog'. This happens.

There was a large rotty that we'd board for the owner. He was a well-known dog trainer. His dog was apeshit crazy. He finally got it tolerating his family, but we couldn't even walk the thing. He was locked in a kennel run and we had to just throw the food over the top. Even trying to slide it in at the bottom was dangerous.

One day someone took his lock off the gate and he was able to knock it open. I was pinned on the top of the cages for over half an hour.

A few months later the dog turned on his wife and daughter, both were severely mauled and lost limbs/use of limbs. It was then he finally decided to end that dog's life. His wife divorced him and won total custody of the daughter.

A dog is a great thing to have. I'd get a more manageable and 'easier' breed next. Keep in mind the 'smartest' dogs are the hardest dogs. Any dog is smart enough to learn all the basic commands and be content with an average home life.

Golden Retrievers are probably my most recommended dog. Their big downfall is shedding. Golden/Black Labs are good second choices (I am assuming you don't want a small dog due to having a Great Dane).

I'd go to the pound over a few months and 'test drive' some dogs. They are usually looking for someone to hang out with, even if you don't take them home.
 

CPA

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Thanks, I was hoping my advice would be heard, this is a topic I am pretty up there in experience and knowledge.

I agree it's a sad time. At least you realize what you need to do in the future and that's a big plus. Many would have blamed the lady and the carrier (like they have above)...it's possible to that the dog was a 'bad dog'. This happens.

There was a large rotty that we'd board for the owner. He was a well-known dog trainer. His dog was apeshit crazy. He finally got it tolerating his family, but we couldn't even walk the thing. He was locked in a kennel run and we had to just throw the food over the top. Even trying to slide it in at the bottom was dangerous.

One day someone took his lock off the gate and he was able to knock it open. I was pinned on the top of the cages for over half an hour.

A few months later the dog turned on his wife and daughter, both were severely mauled and lost limbs/use of limbs. It was then he finally decided to end that dog's life. His wife divorced him and won total custody of the daughter.

A dog is a great thing to have. I'd get a more manageable and 'easier' breed next. Keep in mind the 'smartest' dogs are the hardest dogs. Any dog is smart enough to learn all the basic commands and be content with an average home life.

Golden Retrievers are probably my most recommended dog. Their big downfall is shedding. Golden/Black Labs are good second choices (I am assuming you don't want a small dog due to having a Great Dane).

I'd go to the pound over a few months and 'test drive' some dogs. They are usually looking for someone to hang out with, even if you don't take them home.

Well, let me be clear, there is still an amount of frustration that I reserve for the lady just for the fact she was told not to do something but did it anyway, regardless of the outcome. I am human, afterall. However, ultimately the burden rests on me to insure the quality of the upbringing of the dog. I understand that.

We still do have a dog, a dachshund. But, it's really my wife's dog. Not sure when I will ever get another, but I will heed the advice of many in this thread.
 

alkemyst

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As a dog owner bringing your dog into public, one should expect human interaction along with other animals.

If your dog cannot tolerate that, they need to be muzzled. Many places actually have this as part of the law.

Everyday I have to deal with someone else walking crazy ass dogs that are vicious towards other pets. They failed at proper socialization.

I feel everyone should bring their dog to a doggie obedience class done group style. Local high schools/adult education places have these all the time for like $20-40 for 6-8 lessons. Well worth it.

I also recommend getting them out to a dog park, even if you don't let them inside. I will agree most vets don't like dog parks because accidents happen. My dog was bit twice at one to the tune of several hundreds of dollars. Many just euthanize instead.

We still make it out there twice a week. It used to be everyday, but I work too far away now most of the time. He mingles with the people as much as the pets. He gets along with my cats at home and the strays outside (even if they don't like him so much at times).

He is a very well adjusted dog.

That said, should the wrong kind of person (it's not based on skin color) come to my door; he somehow knows. I get a warning bark and then he goes to growl. Once I tell him to come, sit and stay...he waits quietly.

making a good dog takes a lot of work at first. Once the ground work is done, it makes the rest easy.
 

chimaxi83

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As a dog owner bringing your dog into public, one should expect human interaction along with other animals.

If your dog cannot tolerate that, they need to be muzzled. Many places actually have this as part of the law.

Everyday I have to deal with someone else walking crazy ass dogs that are vicious towards other pets. They failed at proper socialization.

I feel everyone should bring their dog to a doggie obedience class done group style. Local high schools/adult education places have these all the time for like $20-40 for 6-8 lessons. Well worth it.

I also recommend getting them out to a dog park, even if you don't let them inside. I will agree most vets don't like dog parks because accidents happen. My dog was bit twice at one to the tune of several hundreds of dollars. Many just euthanize instead.

We still make it out there twice a week. It used to be everyday, but I work too far away now most of the time. He mingles with the people as much as the pets. He gets along with my cats at home and the strays outside (even if they don't like him so much at times).

He is a very well adjusted dog.

That said, should the wrong kind of person (it's not based on skin color) come to my door; he somehow knows. I get a warning bark and then he goes to growl. Once I tell him to come, sit and stay...he waits quietly.

making a good dog takes a lot of work at first. Once the ground work is done, it makes the rest easy.

Good post :thumbup: I'm glad I took my dog to 6 weeks of obedience classes in group format, not that she necessarily needed it. I did, though. I think its vital with any dog to be taken out in public.

FWIW, you're a stand up guy, CPA. Sorry for your loss.
 

Possessed Freak

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OP, as long as you learn from this I think it will be okay. Know where you failed as a dog owner, and do a better job.

To others, comparing humans to dogs is well... wrong. I find it a poor excuse of a human being who thinks ANY animal is worth more than a stranger. If you truly believe this, please point yourself out so I do not risk my life trying to save yours.
 

0roo0roo

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get a parrot instead. here are my two birds.


the longevity and poo factor annoys me..too much responsibility.

plus not being able to let the pet roam without sh*tting all over is a downer, kinda like a rabbit or a hamster, seems cool until you realize it piddles anywhere it wants.
 

alkemyst

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OP, as long as you learn from this I think it will be okay. Know where you failed as a dog owner, and do a better job.

To others, comparing humans to dogs is well... wrong. I find it a poor excuse of a human being who thinks ANY animal is worth more than a stranger. If you truly believe this, please point yourself out so I do not risk my life trying to save yours.

dude, you will never save any lives especially with that attitude.

Please point YOURSELF out so me and my dog ignore you dying one day.
 

alkemyst

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Good post :thumbup: I'm glad I took my dog to 6 weeks of obedience classes in group format, not that she necessarily needed it. I did, though. I think its vital with any dog to be taken out in public.

FWIW, you're a stand up guy, CPA. Sorry for your loss.

This is even more important with cats. Sadly, most people get a kitten, play with it as a little fluffball then ignore it. Then throw it outside. Then wonder why it's so afraid of people.

My feral colony reacts better to me than most people's 'house cats'. My cats that are pets usually meet me at the door and interact constantly when I am home.

You give and you get.
 

nsafreak

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Sorry to hear about it CPA . Hopefully one day you can find another dog of your own and you won't have the same issues with the new one. There are few dogs that I'd really like to get myself (Caucasian Ovcharka or Akita) but I know I'm not well versed enough in training to be able to handle either of those breeds. If I do get a dog eventually it'll probably be one that I've trained a good bit already or am very familiar with likely either a German Sheperd or a Yellow Lab.
 

ManBearPig

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Sorry for your loss; this really bothered me. You did the right thing though. Don't listen to the people who are calling your a bad pet owner or whatever. RIP
 

montypythizzle

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Terrible. What kind of person calls the police over getting bitten by a dog after being warned? That neighbor should have taken it as a lesson learned.

Sorry for the week-old necro, was bored, but I agree with this. I have a Great Dane myself, 2 actually. 99% of the time they are best buds but that 1% when there are chicken bones in the trash they growl and snap at each other. Animal instincts.

I got bit many of times messing with dogs when I was little, never called the cops or anything like that. If it was a MAULING, sure, that's "reprimandable".

Dogs are used to be buddies and as protectors, shouldn't really mess around with someone else's dog, especially ones that are bigger than some humans.

As for advice for you? I would get another dog in a year or so, maybe a puppy. A medium size dog would be good. However dogs can either be great or HUGE troublemakers, it's just random. You can try and provide it a good environment but you can't talk to a dog and see what their problems are. I would attempt to get a new one in a year or so, or even when the kids are almost moved out.
 
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ichy

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This is even more important with cats. Sadly, most people get a kitten, play with it as a little fluffball then ignore it. Then throw it outside. Then wonder why it's so afraid of people.

My feral colony reacts better to me than most people's 'house cats'. My cats that are pets usually meet me at the door and interact constantly when I am home.

You give and you get.

Some cats are just unfriendly though. My mother is a borderline crazy cat lady, definitely not the type to ignore them, and one of her two cats is the biggest wimp I've ever seen. It's especially ridiculous because he's also one of the biggest cats I've ever seen (pushing 25 pounds, and not all that much of it is fat.)

Other cats are also choosy about who they're friendly to. My cat was starving when I scooped her up off the street and she follows me around the house like a dog, but with other people she can be a little more skittish.
 

alkemyst

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It doesn't matter what "YOU" would do, it's what's commonly acceptable. If a dog is out and about the owner has to assume people will try to interact with it.

If your dog is aggressive it must be muzzled.

If your dog is a troublemaker, that is a failure on the owner. If you had a dog you did nothing with prior and it was great, then the dog took up the onus from you.
 
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