Decent video review of the Dodge 1/2ton Eco Diesel

Bartman39

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I was almost sold till I heard the prices... But then again all truck prices are like almost silly these days... What does concern me is that Dodge is now moving away or side lining from Cummins with this Italian designed diesel... I do not think this is a smart move as Cummins has been the life blood of the Dodge diesel truck and the main reason it has survived... I work every day on Cummins diesel engines and they are nothing but tough all the way around... This Italian made V6 I know nothing about other than it may prove to be a horror story for Dodge...? Hope not but will say this is a great concept and glad it is possibly starting a trend for 1/2 ton diesels in the US...
 

skyking

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Nissan is using the 5 liter V8 Cummins.
I think they went with the 3 liter V6 because of weight/size. It comes in under 500 pounds dry, a couple hundred less than the V8 Cummins, and about half the weight of my 5.9.
The guys at Banks figure it can go for 600 HP in a race configuration.
 
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Yeah it'll be interesting to see how the Titan fares with it. Shame Chrysler couldn't offer both (that other Cummins would have been great for the standard engine in the HD models), although this smaller diesel in a Dakota/Colorado/Tacoma size truck would be pretty stellar.

Nice review and wow 31mpg and 24.5 average with towing. That is an awful lot more for that engine though. Hopefully its popular and helps to lower cost (I assume its costly now as they don't know if it'll be successful or not).

I got a bit of a laugh out of the soft touch molded plastic with "seams/stitching" like what Samsung did on the Note 3.
 
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I was almost sold till I heard the prices... But then again all truck prices are like almost silly these days... What does concern me is that Dodge is now moving away or side lining from Cummins with this Italian designed diesel... I do not think this is a smart move as Cummins has been the life blood of the Dodge diesel truck and the main reason it has survived... I work every day on Cummins diesel engines and they are nothing but tough all the way around... This Italian made V6 I know nothing about other than it may prove to be a horror story for Dodge...? Hope not but will say this is a great concept and glad it is possibly starting a trend for 1/2 ton diesels in the US...

It almost definitely isn't going to be as rugged as the Cummins, but it should fare decently well. The video says it was actually originally developed to go into the European CTS. I guess I really haven't heard much about the reliability of European diesels, but they don't seem to be any less reliable than gas engines. Of course the different uses here (towing) could make a big difference so that'll definitely be something to see how it fares, but its decently powerful and with that 8 speed transmission should help to keep the strain fairly limited.

And yeah, whoa sticker shock. I know they have that thing optioned out, but for that price, I'd be pretty peeved over the fake plastic "leather". He says it starts about $27k, so maybe they did just overload it with options, but still $51k is an awful lot for that.
 
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skyking

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Talking to the dealers, it will not go out in anything but the higher end models unless you order something.
 

LTC8K6

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Talking to the dealers, it will not go out in anything but the higher end models unless you order something.

It doesn't seem to make economic sense, as usual.

I wonder about the need for that much torque and towing in a 1/2 ton payload pickup.

I have 500 foot pounds of torque, but don't put more than 1,000 pounds in the truck...

Here are Motor Trend's fuel economy results:

http://wot.motortrend.com/1311_2014_ram_1500_ecodiesel_gets_28_mpg_highway_in_real_mpg_testing.html
 

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I was almost sold till I heard the prices... But then again all truck prices are like almost silly these days... What does concern me is that Dodge is now moving away or side lining from Cummins with this Italian designed diesel... I do not think this is a smart move as Cummins has been the life blood of the Dodge diesel truck and the main reason it has survived... I work every day on Cummins diesel engines and they are nothing but tough all the way around... This Italian made V6 I know nothing about other than it may prove to be a horror story for Dodge...? Hope not but will say this is a great concept and glad it is possibly starting a trend for 1/2 ton diesels in the US...

RAM are white hat (boss's) trucks nowadays. Too many frills, which explain why they cost as much as they do. Frills you don't need on a vehicle that's just going to end up ripped up, coffee stained, and reeking of DuMauriers.

Back when my dad had his construction company, the entire fleet was RAMs. Back when they were trucks you could actually abuse. The Cummins engines were fantastic for hauling heavy trailers. Can't say I'm surprised though that they're using an Italian engine since RAM is now an Italian company.
 

iamwiz82

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RAM are white hat (boss's) trucks nowadays. Too many frills, which explain why they cost as much as they do. Frills you don't need on a vehicle that's just going to end up ripped up, coffee stained, and reeking of DuMauriers.

Back when my dad had his construction company, the entire fleet was RAMs. Back when they were trucks you could actually abuse. The Cummins engines were fantastic for hauling heavy trailers. Can't say I'm surprised though that they're using an Italian engine since RAM is now an Italian company.

You do realize that the F-150, Chevy Silverado, or GMC Sierra (1/2 ton for each) will all hit $50,000 easily, right? I bet you could get a Sierra Denali to $60,000 in fact.
 

deathBOB

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You do realize that the F-150, Chevy Silverado, or GMC Sierra (1/2 ton for each) will all hit $50,000 easily, right? I bet you could get a Sierra Denali to $60,000 in fact.

What he meant to say is "Those damn eye-talians are ruining 'Merica!"
 

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RAM are white hat (boss's) trucks nowadays. Too many frills, which explain why they cost as much as they do. Frills you don't need on a vehicle that's just going to end up ripped up, coffee stained, and reeking of DuMauriers.

Back when my dad had his construction company, the entire fleet was RAMs. Back when they were trucks you could actually abuse. The Cummins engines were fantastic for hauling heavy trailers. Can't say I'm surprised though that they're using an Italian engine since RAM is now an Italian company.

RAM is not an italian company. You need to actually do some reading up on the subject. The Chrysler/Fiat is not "italian" as much as GM/Opel isn't "Australian."
 

LTC8K6

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RAM are white hat (boss's) trucks nowadays. Too many frills, which explain why they cost as much as they do. Frills you don't need on a vehicle that's just going to end up ripped up, coffee stained, and reeking of DuMauriers.

Back when my dad had his construction company, the entire fleet was RAMs. Back when they were trucks you could actually abuse. The Cummins engines were fantastic for hauling heavy trailers. Can't say I'm surprised though that they're using an Italian engine since RAM is now an Italian company.

Your dad was likely using 2500 and/or 3500 Rams, which are still using the Cummins engines today.

Only the 1500 light duty pickup will get the VM Motori diesel.
 

LTC8K6

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RAM is not an italian company. You need to actually do some reading up on the subject. The Chrysler/Fiat is not "italian" as much as GM/Opel isn't "Australian."

FIAT has majority ownership and control of Chrysler. IIRC, FIAT's share is now greater than what is reported in the NYT article.

Chrysler, in a regulatory filing, said Fiat now owned 53.5 percent, on a fully diluted basis, of the carmaker, which returns to foreign ownership four years after its partnership with Daimler ended.

The union trust fund and Fiat, which has controlled Chrysler’s operations through a minority stake purchased in 2009, are the only remaining shareholders in Chrysler.

Fiat has said it expects to gain an additional 5 percent stake in Chrysler by issuing new shares by the end of this year, which would, in effect, reduce the size of the U.A.W's stake in Chrysler. Sergio Marchionne, the chief executive of both Fiat and Chrysler, last week said he planned to merge the management of the two companies, which would then operate essentially as one.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/business/us-sheds-its-stake-in-chrysler.html?_r=0
 

nerp

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I know, but that doesn't make Chrysler Italian. It just makes Fiat more of a global brand with Chrysler HQ in the USA. I don't think anyone is going to look at an SRT Viper, a Chrysler 300 or a Ram 1500 as an import anytime soon.

Now the Alfa 4C, we'll see.
 

Bartman39

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No matter if it is Italian or not the fact is they are still using a spaghetti motor that to me is not a proven towing package... Also wonder just what kind of wait there will be for parts for the ones that "dont make it"...? Dodge had a severe shortage of transmission's and parts for the larger trucks and that was fairly recent too (may still be the case)... Coworker has a 2013 Dodge with the Cummins and it has a transmission issue but the local dealer is saying it may be a few weeks to get it in and fixed...? WTF...?
 

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Good review but, the base model starts at 27k well and good. The model reviewed (bottom level Laremy) is stickered $51,500. Puhleeze. Guess that's why I don't buy new vehicles.
 

LTC8K6

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I know, but that doesn't make Chrysler Italian. It just makes Fiat more of a global brand with Chrysler HQ in the USA. I don't think anyone is going to look at an SRT Viper, a Chrysler 300 or a Ram 1500 as an import anytime soon.

Now the Alfa 4C, we'll see.

It may not make Chrysler Italian to you, but the observation has a basis in reality. It's not without reason.
 

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You do realize that the F-150, Chevy Silverado, or GMC Sierra (1/2 ton for each) will all hit $50,000 easily, right? I bet you could get a Sierra Denali to $60,000 in fact.

I've fussed with Chevy's website and gotten it over 60k before. Very nice trucks though.
 

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It is a shame the two door isn't available with the engine... and I am extremely skeptical of their claimed 7.5 second 0-60 time.

-KeithP
 

KeithP

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Here are some 2012 Diesel pickup test results. The Silverado hit 60 in 7.1 seconds. And in 15 seconds pulling 12,000 pounds. These trucks aren't slow.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files...bhd-trucks-compro-complete-specs-and-info.pdf

Actually, those tests make me even more skeptical of the claimed times for the 1500. That Silverado has 397 HP and 765 lb ft of torque. Substantially higher numbers than the 1500 yet it is only .4 of a second quicker? Although the Chevy is a heavier truck.

I saw another another review of the 1500. Their 0-60 time with two people on board (and I believe they said a full tank of fuel) was 9.9 seconds.

-KeithP
 
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