Deception; fermi's wood screws vs ivy bridge's video

[Grooveriding]

Intel Confirms Working DX11 on Ivy Bridge

Anand confirmed that F1 does work with the Intel HD4000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PCBy4MK32I4

But can it run Crysis 2 with MAXIMUM TESSELLATION ?!

 

[nyker96]

Did AMD lay off anyone from the graphics division? It seems as though that's one of their best divisions at the moment so it would be kind of silly to get rid of people.

yes they did just recently laid off bunch guys who worked on their next gen gcard. Not sure why they doing this, maybe they feel so confident that they think they can beat NV w/ less engineers.

 

[Martimus]

yes they did just recently laid off bunch guys who worked on their next gen gcard. Not sure why they doing this, maybe they feel so confident that they think they can beat NV w/ less engineers.

I would think the more likely reason would be that they don't plan to compete with nVidia in the discrete market at all in the future. Seems far more likely to me.

 

[IntelEnthusiast]

Just because he talks for Intel doesn't mean he plays video games.

Dang right I suck at driving games (havent had a ticket or accident in over 20 years but I can't make it around a course without hitting something in a driving game). I think it is one of the reasons that I stick to MMOs.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team

 

[CHADBOGA]

And intel sends out it's PR agents to show a demo behind closed doors, of which they couldn't show live. Uh huh, sounds credible and believable.

Those F1 games aren't easy to play straight up if you aren't familiar with them, so no doubt Mooly didn't want to look like a retard who couldn't drive.

But hey, if AMD fanboys want to think this is going to make any difference to how much IB is going to kick their beloved's backside, so be it.

 

[Vesku]

Chadboga, you really think he had someone behind the curtain driving the demo and that it was NOT a pre-recorded video? Why not run a game with an internal live benchmark?

 

[Idontcare]

Intel Confirms Working DX11 on Ivy Bridge

Anand confirmed that F1 does work with the Intel HD4000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PCBy4MK32I4

While I don't think this excuses Intel's efforts to pass their "demo" off as legit until it became obvious they weren't going to succeed, to me this is "case closed". No sky is falling issues with IB, just a real facepalm moment for Intel marketing team.

 

[Schmide]

So we can say most likely either way there were bad drivers in the room.

 

[formulav8]

"case closed".

You copied that from Anand

And just because it ran one game doesn't mean everything is peachy. IB was delayed for a reason, and it wouldn't be because of there being no competition??? IGP could very well be the delayer.

 

[Vesku]

While I don't think this excuses Intel's efforts to pass their "demo" off as legit until it became obvious they weren't going to succeed, to me this is "case closed". No sky is falling issues with IB, just a real facepalm moment for Intel marketing team.

It's mostly a marketing flub but what a flub. Deserves to replace Fermi references online although it doesn't lend itself to the snappy "woodscrews" type of one-liner.

I think the first IB ultrabook reviews may be more detailed than they would have been without this incident.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Chadboga, you really think he had someone behind the curtain driving the demo and that it was NOT a pre-recorded video?

No, and nothing I wrote should lead anyone to that conclusion.

Why not run a game with an internal live benchmark?

Who knows?

But thanks to Anand and to the dismay of the tin foil hat brigade, we know that IB can play the game in question, so surely that points to Mooly being no gamer whatsoever and didn't want to look silly crashing all the time(you can imagine the metaphors critics could use with that).

Obviously they didn't expect to end up looking silly for different reasons. :awe:

 

[georgec84]

Case is definitely not closed.

No specs. Different laptops. No details or other information.

 

[Nemesis 1]

While I don't think this excuses Intel's efforts to pass their "demo" off as legit until it became obvious they weren't going to succeed, to me this is "case closed". No sky is falling issues with IB, just a real facepalm moment for Intel marketing team.

Its debateable who gets the facepalm here.

 

[podspi]

How many demos are actually legit, particularly in the tech industry? Embarrassing for Intel? Maybe. I thought he handled it well and we'll get to see how good IVB's DX11 support is soon enough.

 

[Vesku]

It's normal to show demos that cast your product in the best light, it's worthy of derision to be blatantly deceitful about a demo. I think there is a need to come down harshly when these kinds of incidents crop up in order to make the PR folks think twice about it the next time.

 

[piesquared]

Those F1 games aren't easy to play straight up if you aren't familiar with them, so no doubt Mooly didn't want to look like a retard who couldn't drive.

But hey, if AMD fanboys want to think this is going to make any difference to how much IB is going to kick their beloved's backside, so be it.

Yeah that's it Mooly didn't want to look like a retard driving the game, so instead of having someone that could drive demo the hardware, they faked it and ran a video instead (and incidentaly even that didn't play smooth at all). Oh yes it all makes sense now. Just ignore intel's history and reports of abysmal graphics hardware, abysmal graphics drivers and trailing several years in graphical standards. I call your tinfoil hat and raise you several face palms and viral marketing of the year awards for even attempting to make excuses for intel's deception(s) and lie(s). And on top of that, gloating that intel will sell these regardless of their shortcomings raises several issues on it's own.

And yes, the case is definitely NOT closed.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Yeah that's it Mooly didn't want to look like a retard driving the game, so instead of having someone that could drive demo the hardware, they faked it and ran a video instead (and incidentaly even that didn't play smooth at all). Oh yes it all makes sense now. Just ignore intel's history and reports of abysmal graphics hardware, abysmal graphics drivers and trailing several years in graphical standards. I call your tinfoil hat and raise you several face palms and viral marketing of the year awards for even attempting to make excuses for intel's deception(s) and lie(s). And on top of that, gloating that intel will sell these regardless of their shortcomings raises several issues on it's own.

And yes, the case is definitely NOT closed.

The shortcomings are trivial in the scheme of things and are more than compensated for by the strengths of Intel's CPU designs.

Be honest with yourself, do you think IB will be a raging sales success or not?

 

[thilanliyan]

Lol wow, the VLCPlayer console showed up for that "realtime" demo.
Wow.

 

[piesquared]

Wether it will or will not have raging sales is irrelevant to the topic and only highlights how a monopoly can abuse it's power. Luckily, the wheels came off their charade and was laid bare on the table for all to see.

Besides, having a strong CPU and worthess graphics piggybacking a ride is like multiplying by 0.

 

[Phynaz]

Case is definitely not closed.

No specs. Different laptops. No details or other information.

It's four+ months away from launch, how much more detail do you think they should give out?

 

[CHADBOGA]

Wether it will or will not have raging sales is irrelevant to the topic and only highlights how a monopoly can abuse it's power.

How is whether Intel is or isn't a monopoly, relevant in any way to a dodgy demo?

You seem more confused than usual.

Besides, having a strong CPU and worthess graphics piggybacking a ride is like multiplying by 0.

Intel's GPU in IB will be worth more than AMD's APU in Llano or Trinity.

 

[piesquared]

How is whether Intel is or isn't a monopoly, relevant in any way to a dodgy demo?

You seem more confused than usual.


Intel's GPU in IB will be worth more than AMD's APU in Llano or Trinity.

Not sure if that's you in your avatar, but you are really starting to resemble him....

[edit]

but for something more on topic, you are thinking like a traditionalist. The market is dynamic and evolving, GPGPU is emerging whether some like it or not. AMD leads in OpenCL and AMP support and it's NV and AMD that are duking it out in that space, intel falls flat on it's face there. AMD has a viable platform with FSA because applications can increase performance by an order of magnitude over the CPU.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Looks to me like he was actually expecting to play, not watch a video of the benchmark runtime...

Someone messed up.

LOL!!!! Awesome, he expected to play a game by clicking on VLC. You actually expect anyone to even remotely believe that? Comedy, you are good at it.

While I don't think this excuses Intel's efforts to pass their "demo" off as legit until it became obvious they weren't going to succeed, to me this is "case closed".

Case closed? What? Intel faked a demo, then lied about faking the demo, then hastily prepared a follow up that gets posted on Anandtech.com using different hardware.

Not case closed. This is incredibly poor form by Intel, there is simply no excuse for doing this, and any sort of follow up demo has to be called into question as well.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

What video did you watch? Because the one I was watching he didn't pretend to be actually driving, in fact it took him a minute, but he figured out he wasn't actually playing.

Who knows what he was thinking, or what the plan was? I sure as heck don't think so little of people that I turn this into an attempt to deceive everyone, if it was Intel is filled with idiots and the internet is full of the smartest people ever. And lucky for us we have them, otherwise I wouldn't have even been able to figure out this clever ploy by Intel requiring mastermind detectives to figure out!

 

[Vesku]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otcge1cn8Os#t=00m28s

You can interpret however you wish, but that right there looks to me like someone trying to very animatedly show he's "driving" right after pressing play on a video. Notice how he tries to imitate the videos jerky start?