Deception; fermi's wood screws vs ivy bridge's video

[BallaTheFeared]

Yeah I noticed at 33 it started playback, and by 40 he's taking one hand off, and by 55 he takes his hands off the wheel.

Pretty clear to me he doesn't play video games, and it's also pretty clear that after 20 seconds he has no idea what is going on.

The more I watch the video the more I wonder how anyone could have came to the conclusion that Intel tried to deceive people with this.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Not sure if that's you in your avatar, but you are really starting to resemble him....

:awe:

but for something more on topic, you are thinking like a traditionalist. The market is dynamic and evolving, GPGPU is emerging whether some like it or not. AMD leads in OpenCL and AMP support and it's NV and AMD that are duking it out in that space, intel falls flat on it's face there. AMD has a viable platform with FSA because applications can increase performance by an order of magnitude over the CPU.

GPGPU is little more than a niche at the moment and in the future will be easily addressed by Haswell and follow on derivatives.

If GPGPU is your great White Hope for AMD to topple Intel, you are once again going to be very disappointed.

 

[AnandThenMan]

What video did you watch? Because the one I was watching he didn't pretend to be actually driving, in fact it took him a minute, but he figured out he wasn't actually playing.

So let me get this straight. You think Mooly Eden pressed the play button on VLC thinking that is how you start a game? Do you happen to know the position Mooly Eden holds at Intel? A 10 year old knows that a video player doesn't start a game.

 

[Vesku]

I'm doing a big PR event with lots of press but I'm not going to have any idea that I've launched a video rather than started to play a video game? That's not a very flattering opinion of Mooly's knowledge, ability and experience.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Yes, people do stupid stuff when they're in the spotlight and things happen that shouldn't.

He also says someone in the back is playing it, which makes no sense since he just pressed play 25 seconds before that.

Chalk it up as a durp moment, because that is what it was.


He expected to play.

He figured out he wasn't playing.

Why would he expect to play, click play on vlc, then act the way he did (not going with it is a pretty clear indication) if his intent was to deceive everyone?

I mean if he was actually trying to pretend to play why did he give up the ruse?

 

[AnandThenMan]

Yes, people do stupid stuff when they're in the spotlight and things happen that shouldn't.

He also says someone in the back is playing it, which makes no sense since he just pressed play 25 seconds before that.

Chalk it up as a durp moment, because that is what it was.


He expected to play.

He figured out he wasn't playing.

Why would he expect to play, click play on vlc, then act the way he did (not going with it is a pretty clear indication) if his intent was to deceive everyone?

I mean if he was actually trying to pretend to play why did he give up the ruse?

Haha. Awesome. From this point, I will not trust a single word you type, considering you actually expect anyone to buy that.

 

[georgec84]

You guys have it all wrong. Mooly obviously was told that they had a demo set up. Go to the computer, click the mouse or press the space bar, and pretend you are playing the game with the wheel when in reality it's just a video playing.

Well, the VLC interface came up, the video stuttered, and Mooly failed to convince anyone he was playing a game after that. Then he said they are "running it from backstage."

That statement is intrinsically contradictory. You have a laptop set up with the wheel, video out to the projection, etc. The laptop is seen in certain clips to be running the footage, so it's not like it was just there for show. For the "running it from backstage" comment to be true, Intel would need to:

a) Have the laptop screen functioning as a secondary monitor
b) Time Mooly's mouse clicks with backstage

Since (a) is not true, (b) cannot be true. Therefore, Mooly lied. If he said, "This is gameplay footage recorded earlier on this same laptop," then people wouldn't feel so suspicious.

The whole minute is just awkward and poorly done. Mooly flubs at the end and mutters some nonsense to draw attention away from the failed "demo".

Was it deception? Absolutely, yes. Are they covering up potential performance issues? Nobody knows for sure, but we can sure as hell fight about it.

 

[piesquared]

:awe:



GPGPU is little more than a niche at the moment and in the future will be easily addressed by Haswell and follow on derivatives.

If GPGPU is your great White Hope for AMD to topple Intel, you are once again going to be very disappointed.

Ok, clearly your head has been soaking in a pale of vinegar....intel trods up on stage somebody that could be from the French Riviera, to pretend to be driving a car while operating a wheel, accidentaly exposes the controls for a video player which is in turn displayed on screen for the worldwide audience and we're not even sure if it is intel hardware doing the original rendering because we're not sure if they have any working DX11 hardware, or software. sandy bridge can't do DX11 and having to show something to the press/investors they need to fake something. So this guy get's up on stage, flubs it horribly, then intel sends out it's minions to control the damage (incidentally about the same time you appeared after probably a well deserved vacation) and gives Anandtech a demo on something nobody knows the specs of. Could take intel's word for it but that doesn't seem to mean much. And now you talk of Haswel. Well that sounds like moving the goal posts to me.

Major blunder that might just come home to roost.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

/yawn

Intel is lying, it won't play DX11. This is just meant to get everyone to buy a product which was falsely advertised by Intel. Amazing work guys, we've foiled them again!

No no! It will play DX11 but they have driver issues.

No wait, it will play DX11 but only on the higher power SKU's the one they attempted to demo won't play F1 2011 in DX11 at all!

 

[AnandThenMan]

/yawn

Intel is lying, it won't play DX11. This is just meant to get everyone to buy a product which was falsely advertised by Intel. Amazing work guys, we've foiled them again!

No no! It will play DX11 but they have driver issues.

No wait, it will play DX11 but only on the higher power SKU's the one they attempted to demo won't play F1 2011 in DX11 at all!

Deflect, deflect. Deflect!

What Intel did is simply in very poor taste, at best.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Ok, clearly your head has been soaking in a pale of vinegar....intel trods up on stage somebody that could be from the French Riviera, to pretend to be driving a car while operating a wheel, accidentaly exposes the controls for a video player which is in turn displayed on screen for the worldwide audience and we're not even sure if it is intel hardware doing the original rendering because we're not sure if they have any working DX11 hardware, or software. sandy bridge can't do DX11 and having to show something to the press/investors they need to fake something. So this guy get's up on stage, flubs it horribly, then intel sends out it's minions to control the damage (incidentally about the same time you appeared after probably a well deserved vacation) and gives Anandtech a demo on something nobody knows the specs of.

The video Anand played showed HD4000 graphics running DX11.

Now obviously you might find this confusing, but everyone else will be fine.

And I was posting here immediately before the dodgy demo.

And now you talk of Haswel. Well that sounds like moving the goal posts to me.

I'm moving the goal posts?

You brought up the non-sequiter of GPGPU, I simply addressed that silly point.

Major blunder that might just come home to roost.

LOL @ Major Blunder.

A major blunder was something like the release of Bulldozer.

Please tell me what price Intel will pay for this dodgy demo?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

What Intel did was play F1 2011 in DX11 with smooth play back on a 1366x768 with (assuming) Med settings...

Here's what Llano did in F1 2010 (can't find one for 2011):

Looks good to me, Intel just put AMD's APU dominance delusions in a new light. Not to mention this is Intel graphics competing directly with AMD's APU best solution.

Well played Intel, well played indeed.

 

[Vesku]

Next time I'm caught in a lie I'll simply exclaim "It's all being done backstage in REALTIME!"

 

[BallaTheFeared]

For the haters...

The demo from AnandTech was done with the 2GHz ultralow power chip.

@ 2GHz can only be the i7-3667U, which has a 17w TDP.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5192/ivy-bridge-mobile-lineup-overview

 

[Vesku]

In a 14 inch notebook chassis how about they give us a look at the cooling solution inside?

 

[piesquared]

What Intel did was play F1 2011 in DX11 with smooth play back on a 1366x768 with (assuming) Med settings...

Here's what Llano did in F1 2010 (can't find one for 2011):

Looks good to me, Intel just put AMD's APU dominance delusions in a new light. Not to mention this is Intel graphics competing directly with AMD's APU best solution.

Well played Intel, well played indeed.

You might have had a convincing charade going on, right up until this post. The stuff shown on that faked render looks like kindergarden art compared to what Llano's graphics can achieve. How about compare apples to apples .

 

[piesquared]

The video Anand played showed HD4000 graphics running DX11, in a controlled environment. One they apparantely couldn't duplicate live.

Now obviously you might find this confusing, but everyone else will be fine.

And I was posting here immediately before the dodgy demo.





I'm moving the goal posts?

You brought up the non-sequiter of GPGPU, I simply addressed that silly point.
I brought up the GPGPU, the non-sequitor part of the equation is yours. Your opinion of GPGPU though seems to be right in line with ivy bridge's capabilities.


LOL @ Major Blunder.

A major blunder was something like the release of Bulldozer.

Please tell me what price Intel will pay for this dodgy demo?
Again you seem to be gloating that intel could pawn off it's wares regardless of how unfit they may or may not be that doesn't seem too good for consumers to me. I can't see how that wouldn't bother consumers if they knew.

...

 

[RU482]

OMG, a 3/8 thick laptop can't play a DX11 game....oh what to do.

yes I realize how pathetic the presentation was, but still...REALITY!!! 17W!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Oh but it can

You might have had a convincing charade going on, right up until this post. The stuff shown on that faked render looks like kindergarden art compared to what Llano's graphics can achieve. How about compare apples to apples .

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5359/intel-confirms-working-dx11-on-ivy-bridge

 

[piesquared]

It can't even compete with Llano, how is it going to fair against this?

http://hothardware.com/News/AMD-Fus...00M-Mobile-GPUs-and-Lightning-Bolt-In-Action/

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Oh boy, bulldozer cores, I'm getting giddy now.

 

[richierich1212]

It can't even compete with Llano, how is it going to fair against this?

http://hothardware.com/News/AMD-Fus...00M-Mobile-GPUs-and-Lightning-Bolt-In-Action/

lol I saw the computer case and then he opened it. Awesome.

 

[Obsoleet]

OMG, a 3/8 thick laptop can't play a DX11 game....oh what to do.

yes I realize how pathetic the presentation was, but still...REALITY!!! 17W!

Then why bother lying about it.

Not sure why it's "reality check" time for the consumers here that they were trying to lie to, when it needs to be reality check for Intel.

 

[CHADBOGA]

in a controlled environment. One they apparantely couldn't duplicate live

You seem a bit behind the times my boy.

Not only did Anand test it live, so too now has BSN

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/1/10/exclusive-intel-lets-us-test-dx11-on-ivy-bridge.aspx

Overall, though, we did enjoy playing F1 2011 on this Ivy Bridge Ultrabook and it ran extremely smoothly without any dropped frames or lag at all.​

I brought up the GPGPU, the non-sequitor part of the equation is yours. Your opinion of GPGPU though seems to be right in line with ivy bridge's capabilities.

Better the capabilities of Ivy Bridge, than Bulldozers, which seems to be right in line with your capabilities.

Again you seem to be gloating that intel could pawn off it's wares regardless of how unfit they may or may not be that doesn't seem too good for consumers to me. I can't see how that wouldn't bother consumers if they knew.

Because most consumers would be smart enough to know the product isn't released yet, so will wait till it is out before making their final assessment.

However until that time, we have the Anandtech and BSN videos to shed valuable light on the situation.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

lol BSN wanted to bench it right there