Declawing cats - inhumane?

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
We have 4 cats. 3 of them are declawed and not one bit worse for it. The one that isn't is exotic and I'm almost certain it would affect his behavior. Thankfully, he doesn't have the habit of scratching shit he's not supposed to.

Most people are not knowledgeable enough about cat behavior and physiology to notice how being declawed negatively effects the animal.

It isn't a subjective thing open to opinion. Claws are necessary parts, having them removed negatively impacts their quality of life.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
We have 4 cats. 3 of them are declawed and not one bit worse for it. The one that isn't is exotic and I'm almost certain it would affect his behavior. Thankfully, he doesn't have the habit of scratching shit he's not supposed to.

Most people are not knowledgeable enough about cat behavior and physiology to notice how being declawed negatively effects the animal.

It isn't a subjective thing open to opinion. Claws are necessary parts, having them removed negatively impacts their quality of life.

No, it doesn't.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
We have 4 cats. 3 of them are declawed and not one bit worse for it. The one that isn't is exotic and I'm almost certain it would affect his behavior. Thankfully, he doesn't have the habit of scratching shit he's not supposed to.

Most people are not knowledgeable enough about cat behavior and physiology to notice how being declawed negatively effects the animal.

It isn't a subjective thing open to opinion. Claws are necessary parts, having them removed negatively impacts their quality of life.

No, it doesn't.

Proof that facts can't compete with stupid. A quick Google search can provide all the evidence a rational person needs to come to the conclusion that declawing is inhumane and unnecessary to deal with a cat's clawing behavior.

http://www.declawing.com/htmls/declawing.htm

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: mutz

Have had 3 cats declawed - perfectly content. Just because a few have issues is no reason to assume it is inhumane. My lefty sister who has more animals than most of the posters here, is also fine with it. If they ever banned declawing, I would never get another cat.

would u prefer living on the street "fully equipped" or either be "denailed" by you'r parent and living in an house?
how can anyone do it to an animal? that's exactly her, her instincts, her nature, her body!
no one should be messing with that,
a cat isn't a tool, a furniture, a toy or something made for anyone's pleasure, and shouldn't be treated like that, like u wouldn't want anyone messing with u,
don't mess with others.
sorry for the tone.
i'm quite pissed off.

. declawing is a terrible thing, we try not to do it, and will do our best to change our clients minds, offering either soft paws or education on how to trim nails as a substitute. it's a terrible thing to do to an animal.

+1.

imposing your pet on others and destroying local wild life is irresponsible. it also exposes them to risks like being run over...meeting bad ends from dogs and other such things. pets are pets. your comparing them to a human being shows how out of touch you are with reality. a cat is for someones pleasure. you allow surgical sterilization of an animal for this very reason which is far more a fundamental alteration by any standard.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I love those speaking up for cats and their claws that think nothing of cutting off their balls or cutting out their ovaries. I mean really? You think you'd be happier without fingernails or balls?

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
We have 4 cats. 3 of them are declawed and not one bit worse for it. The one that isn't is exotic and I'm almost certain it would affect his behavior. Thankfully, he doesn't have the habit of scratching shit he's not supposed to.

Most people are not knowledgeable enough about cat behavior and physiology to notice how being declawed negatively effects the animal.

It isn't a subjective thing open to opinion. Claws are necessary parts, having them removed negatively impacts their quality of life.

No, it doesn't.

Proof that facts can't compete with stupid. A quick Google search can provide all the evidence a rational person needs to come to the conclusion that declawing is inhumane and unnecessary to deal with a cat's clawing behavior.

http://www.declawing.com/htmls/declawing.htm

Look at your source. It's worse than wikipedia. Just the websites name has a bias inside of it.

Hopefully you weren't one to get advice in the video forums...

 

[Raduque]

We've had cats all our life and all but one had their claws. The declawed cat we got from a neighbor who was moving away. He liked to box. He would run around hitting things, since he couldn't claw them.

My mom keeps talking about declawing her current cat because she scratches the chair and chaise in my moms bedroom when the cat wants her to wake up. She only does this at 5am-6am to wake up my mom, so it's not like she's scratching because she NEEDs to, she's doing it to be a bitch (once my mother is awake, she can't go back to sleep for hours) and make my wake up.

I'd never do it to my own cat(s), because it's part of them.

Oh and for the people saying that spaying is mutilation, I probably wouldn't have done that to my cat either, except she got a uterine infection and it all had to come out or she would die.

 

[chin311]

my cat is a sphynx and in the contract of buying it and for the breed you ARENT ALLOWED TO DECLAW.

lol but i dont care really, didn't plan on it.

my parents growing up did it ASAP but those were just your average house cats.

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: yh125d
Yeah I know that was the intent




There should be a special circle of hell for N's like that

I'm 12 years old and what is this?

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
We have 4 cats. 3 of them are declawed and not one bit worse for it. The one that isn't is exotic and I'm almost certain it would affect his behavior. Thankfully, he doesn't have the habit of scratching shit he's not supposed to.

Most people are not knowledgeable enough about cat behavior and physiology to notice how being declawed negatively effects the animal.

It isn't a subjective thing open to opinion. Claws are necessary parts, having them removed negatively impacts their quality of life.

No, it doesn't.

Proof that facts can't compete with stupid. A quick Google search can provide all the evidence a rational person needs to come to the conclusion that declawing is inhumane and unnecessary to deal with a cat's clawing behavior.

http://www.declawing.com/htmls/declawing.htm

Look at your source. It's worse than wikipedia. Just the websites name has a bias inside of it.

Hopefully you weren't one to get advice in the video forums...

That site documented all its sources. You don't believe the site, then check it's sources.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I love those speaking up for cats and their claws that think nothing of cutting off their balls or cutting out their ovaries. I mean really? You think you'd be happier without fingernails or balls?

Fixing a pet is not comparable with declawing or tail docking. A fixed pet has a longer and healthier potential lifespan than an unfixed animal. Removing claws, tails, cutting ears, etc... decreases the quality of the animal's life and causes needless pain and suffering to the animal.

 

[ryan256]

Which is more cruel?
Declawing the cat or killing him after he tears up the furniture?? People argue this back & forth all the time. My cat does not go outside. He should actually be happy he doesn't have his claws. It has saved him many a kick in the face as much as he enjoys stalking my bare feet.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: ryan256
Which is more cruel?
Declawing the cat or killing him after he tears up the furniture?? People argue this back & forth all the time. My cat does not go outside. He should actually be happy he doesn't have his claws. It has saved him many a kick in the face as much as he enjoys stalking my bare feet.

You shouldn't own a pet if you are not prepared and educated about how to correct and curb unwanted behavior.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
We have 4 cats. 3 of them are declawed and not one bit worse for it. The one that isn't is exotic and I'm almost certain it would affect his behavior. Thankfully, he doesn't have the habit of scratching shit he's not supposed to.

Most people are not knowledgeable enough about cat behavior and physiology to notice how being declawed negatively effects the animal.

It isn't a subjective thing open to opinion. Claws are necessary parts, having them removed negatively impacts their quality of life.

No, it doesn't.

Proof that facts can't compete with stupid. A quick Google search can provide all the evidence a rational person needs to come to the conclusion that declawing is inhumane and unnecessary to deal with a cat's clawing behavior.

http://www.declawing.com/htmls/declawing.htm

Yeah, like that's not a slanted source. I guess all the vets who are performing the procedure (like 90% of them) should get themselves edumacated.

*Botched* procedures can have negative impact. But I'll listen to the AVMA over your crazy people source.

There is no scientific evidence that declawing leads to behavioral abnormalities when the behavior of declawed cats is compared with that of cats in control groups.

I'm not trying to "push" anyone towards declawing. If it's not necessary in your home, don't do it. However, claiming that there are permanent negative effects for every cat declawed is incredibly ignorant and emotional.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

*Botched* procedures can have negative impact. But I'll listen to the AVMA over your crazy people source.

There is no scientific evidence that declawing leads to behavioral abnormalities when the behavior of declawed cats is compared with that of cats in control groups.

Biased source, vets have a financial interest in the practice.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: ryan256
Which is more cruel?
Declawing the cat or killing him after he tears up the furniture?? People argue this back & forth all the time. My cat does not go outside. He should actually be happy he doesn't have his claws. It has saved him many a kick in the face as much as he enjoys stalking my bare feet.

You shouldn't own a pet if you are not prepared and educated about how to correct and curb unwanted behavior.

cats are not as smart as dogs, an indoor cat's behavior depends entirely on it's personality.
some are too stubborn and leaving them clawed would result in terrible things. Cats have an instinct to keep their claws ready so they can do real damage to creatures. Any well trained animal can snap, if that snap results in scratching and biting somebody, that's going to be fun getting rid of that animal. Plus, never know when the cat is going to decide the scratching post is more boring than the couch or drapes.

cats suck. don't have to worry about me declawing a cat because I will forever refuse to own one. Only dogs will be given the opportunity to grace my residence.

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

*Botched* procedures can have negative impact. But I'll listen to the AVMA over your crazy people source.

There is no scientific evidence that declawing leads to behavioral abnormalities when the behavior of declawed cats is compared with that of cats in control groups.

Biased source, vets have a financial interest in the practice.

no good vet will be biased. The majority of vets, and all vet organizations, are entirely devoted to the humane treatment of animals. Some vets go against the grain, but the majority never force unnecessary issue. They have no need. Emotional interest in pets grants them financial stability because some people will invest a large amount into keeping a sick animal alive.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: ryan256
Which is more cruel?
Declawing the cat or killing him after he tears up the furniture?? People argue this back & forth all the time. My cat does not go outside. He should actually be happy he doesn't have his claws. It has saved him many a kick in the face as much as he enjoys stalking my bare feet.

You shouldn't own a pet if you are not prepared and educated about how to correct and curb unwanted behavior.

cats are not as smart as dogs, an indoor cat's behavior depends entirely on it's personality.
some are too stubborn and leaving them clawed would result in terrible things. Cats have an instinct to keep their claws ready so they can do real damage to creatures. Any well trained animal can snap, if that snap results in scratching and biting somebody, that's going to be fun getting rid of that animal. Plus, never know when the cat is going to decide the scratching post is more boring than the couch or drapes.

cats suck. don't have to worry about me declawing a cat because I will forever refuse to own one. Only dogs will be given the opportunity to grace my residence.

So basically you're saying "didn't bother trying, know it won't work". I've easily trained feral born cats to use scratching posts using correction and reward behavior modification.

The only hurdle to behavior modification is the intelligence of the owner, not the intelligence of the pet.

 

[jonks]

I grew up thinking it was normal. Then I read some stuff on teh internets. Was skeptical so I then read up in some of those paper things...uh, I think they're called buks. So, yeah, no more finger chopping for me. I trust Warren Eckstein.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

*Botched* procedures can have negative impact. But I'll listen to the AVMA over your crazy people source.

There is no scientific evidence that declawing leads to behavioral abnormalities when the behavior of declawed cats is compared with that of cats in control groups.

Biased source, vets have a financial interest in the practice.

no good vet will be biased. The majority of vets, and all vet organizations, are entirely devoted to the humane treatment of animals. Some vets go against the grain, but the majority never force unnecessary issue. They have no need. Emotional interest in pets grants them financial stability because some people will invest a large amount into keeping a sick animal alive.

So you're saying that money doesn't influence people? An immoral unethical vet would push to have someone declaw their cat, but since the American focus for correcting clawing behavior in cats is surgical mutilation all vets have to do is keep the practice legal to rake in the cash.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

*Botched* procedures can have negative impact. But I'll listen to the AVMA over your crazy people source.

There is no scientific evidence that declawing leads to behavioral abnormalities when the behavior of declawed cats is compared with that of cats in control groups.

Biased source, vets have a financial interest in the practice.

Interesting, because your own source referenced them.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

*Botched* procedures can have negative impact. But I'll listen to the AVMA over your crazy people source.

There is no scientific evidence that declawing leads to behavioral abnormalities when the behavior of declawed cats is compared with that of cats in control groups.

Biased source, vets have a financial interest in the practice.

no good vet will be biased. The majority of vets, and all vet organizations, are entirely devoted to the humane treatment of animals. Some vets go against the grain, but the majority never force unnecessary issue. They have no need. Emotional interest in pets grants them financial stability because some people will invest a large amount into keeping a sick animal alive.

So you're saying that money doesn't influence people? An immoral unethical vet would push to have someone declaw their cat, but since the American focus for correcting clawing behavior in cats is surgical mutilation all vets have to do is keep the practice legal to rake in the cash.

Huh?

Money can influence people, but in the animal treatment world, things can be more hazy. Vets are more after the humane treatment than anything else. Many vets make recommendations for behavior modification that the owner would do on his own time, often involving money going to pet stores rather than the vet.

Some vets are immoral, just as some doctors are immoral. But in the world of medical care, the more common thing is to offer ways to treat the problem if it's necessary, and offer corrective options that may not involve the practitioner. A vet suggesting declawing is likely going to include the pros and cons of the situation, make sure the owner knows what the procedure means, and is most likely not immoral and unethical.

Just because your biased against vets doesn't make your view correct. Vets care about the animals first, so sometimes it comes off as expensive and money grubbing because animal medical care is expensive. But they'll offer advice and tips that are great for both the animal and owner's checkbook.

 

[meltdown75]

LOLcat

 

[sourceninja]

I've had tons of cats. Not a single one of them has ever been declawed. Not a single one of them has ever torn up anything I own.

Why? Because I got them as kittens and trained them.

My mother on the other hand refuses to train cats. She thinks it can't be done. So her cats are declawed. They are also the meanest cats I've ever met.

I am against declawing, I'd rather see a cat given up then declawed. But if it is between declawing and getting put to sleep, I'd say declawing is better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...DjH2UM&feature=related

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

*Botched* procedures can have negative impact. But I'll listen to the AVMA over your crazy people source.

There is no scientific evidence that declawing leads to behavioral abnormalities when the behavior of declawed cats is compared with that of cats in control groups.

Biased source, vets have a financial interest in the practice.

no good vet will be biased. The majority of vets, and all vet organizations, are entirely devoted to the humane treatment of animals. Some vets go against the grain, but the majority never force unnecessary issue. They have no need. Emotional interest in pets grants them financial stability because some people will invest a large amount into keeping a sick animal alive.

So you're saying that money doesn't influence people? An immoral unethical vet would push to have someone declaw their cat, but since the American focus for correcting clawing behavior in cats is surgical mutilation all vets have to do is keep the practice legal to rake in the cash.

Huh?

Money can influence people, but in the animal treatment world, things can be more hazy. Vets are more after the humane treatment than anything else. Many vets make recommendations for behavior modification that the owner would do on his own time, often involving money going to pet stores rather than the vet.

Some vets are immoral, just as some doctors are immoral. But in the world of medical care, the more common thing is to offer ways to treat the problem if it's necessary, and offer corrective options that may not involve the practitioner. A vet suggesting declawing is likely going to include the pros and cons of the situation, make sure the owner knows what the procedure means, and is most likely not immoral and unethical.

Just because your biased against vets doesn't make your view correct. Vets care about the animals first, so sometimes it comes off as expensive and money grubbing because animal medical care is expensive. But they'll offer advice and tips that are great for both the animal and owner's checkbook.

he might as well claim all abortion doctors are in it for the money like the nutty right to lifers do. its basically the same mentality of demonization.

Originally posted by: sourceninja


I am against declawing, I'd rather see a cat given up then declawed. But if it is between declawing and getting put to sleep, I'd say declawing is better.

yea i'd rather see someone give up their dog than get it neutered!! omg its mutilating its genitals!!! not just a physical crippling but a permanent hormonal change on a scale that is far excess of just losing your ability to scratch.

seriously though..get ur head out of your keester.

the self righteous attitudes of the anti declawing crowd are as bad as the worst anti abortion nutbags.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: theblackbox
comparing declawing to spay or neuter? you kidding me. declawing is a terrible thing, we try not to do it, and will do our best to change our clients minds, offering either soft paws or education on how to trim nails as a substitute. it's a terrible thing to do to an animal.

I hate to break it to you - spaying/neutering IS absolutely mutilation. Don't even bother pulling that "the ends justify the means" garbage. That's the worst, stupidest, most inane argument anyone ever brings into this discussion.

As a male, you can take my damn fingertips years before you rip off my balls. Neutering an animal, while done for good reasons, creates a massive physical and mental difference. It is the biggest mutilation you will EVER do to a pet.

Yes - there are very good reasons for having a pet fixed, I am all for it - but to try to skate by and say it isn't mutilation because its done for good reasons - HA, that's just plain dishonest. If you are against declawing a pet because it is inhumane, because it is mutilation, because it changes the animal...you should be against neutering/spaying, lest you be a hypocrite.