Dedicated GPU Physx benchmark thread.

[Keysplayr]

Sorry guys, GRAW2 is using edge smoothing AA. Only option available in the game, and 8x AF.
Warmonger doesn't appear to have AA available in the game, so I'll have to try to force it in the CP. This will be a little later however.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I just looked on Nvidia's web site, and I see no drivers for the PPU. I may be looking in the wrong spot, but at first look, I saw none.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/physx_8.06.12_whql.html

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I just looked on Nvidia's web site, and I see no drivers for the PPU. I may be looking in the wrong spot, but at first look, I saw none.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/physx_8.06.12_whql.html

Thank you. Was not aware that it was included in the Physx driver. I don't have a PPU so I never paid attention to that. That is about to change however, a very generous member has
offered to send me his currently unused PPU for testing. I won't get it for at least a week or two however.

"Supports AGEIA PhysX processors and software runtimes (no change to PPU support)."

So you would be good to go, but like I said, I don't know how long it will be supported.

 

[dadach]

grrr...single drivers for everything...mixing nvidia and ati...bad, bad

hell i might just pick one up for 150$ here and see how it works

btw keys i wouldnt mind having nvidia gfx, if only every time i stuck one in my computer, i didnt feel dissapointed with image quality...tried everything in drivers image enhance, etc, etc, and everytime i put ati back in, its like i have bough all new monitor...weird, since some people are saying that nvidia actually has better IQ

 

[BFG10K]

I think what also might be useful are results without PhysX so we can see the performance hit from enabling it.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: dadach
grrr...single drivers for everything...mixing nvidia and ati...bad, bad

hell i might just pick one up for 150$ here and see how it works

btw keys i wouldnt mind having nvidia gfx, if only every time i stuck one in my computer, i didnt feel dissapointed with image quality...tried everything in drivers image enhance, etc, etc, and everytime i put ati back in, its like i have bough all new monitor...weird, since some people are saying that nvidia actually has better IQ

I think that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. IQ between both ATI and NV are pretty much even. And yeah, mixing ATI and NV may not be a happy situation, but if you are willing to take a chance and see, that would be great.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I think what also might be useful are results without PhysX so we can see the performance hit from enabling it.

I can save you, and more to the point, me, a lot of time and just say that results without Physx would be faster. A lot less to do for the graphics card. A lot less to see and experience for the user.

Update: Just added Warmonger results for Rig1 with forced AA in NVCP. It works fine. Jaggies are gone. Performance hit (at 1280x1024 at this point) is minimal. Check it out.

Update: Just added GRAW2 results for Rig2.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I think what also might be useful are results without PhysX so we can see the performance hit from enabling it.

I can save you, and more to the point, me, a lot of time and just say that results without Physx would be faster. A lot less to do for the graphics card. A lot less to see and experience for the user.

Update: Just added Warmonger results for Rig1 with forced AA in NVCP. It works fine. Jaggies are gone. Performance hit (at 1280x1024 at this point) is minimal. Check it out.

Still it would be nice to know how much faster.

 

[thilanliyan]

nm

 

[SunnyD]

Can you bench out City of Heroes/Villains? It has native PhysX support. It IS an MMO though, so if you don't have an account I can send you a trial key.

 

[praesto]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I think what also might be useful are results without PhysX so we can see the performance hit from enabling it.

I can save you, and more to the point, me, a lot of time and just say that results without Physx would be faster. A lot less to do for the graphics card. A lot less to see and experience for the user.

Update: Just added Warmonger results for Rig1 with forced AA in NVCP. It works fine. Jaggies are gone. Performance hit (at 1280x1024 at this point) is minimal. Check it out.

Update: Just added GRAW2 results for Rig2.

I have no doubt that you are right, but this request is probably the most essential one, at least it is for me. If I can't play my games with physx GPU enabled, then what's the point of having the option?

I'm certain that you would do us all a great favor by providing us the numbers to BFG's request.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: dadach
im gonna ask here sorry...if i buy dedicated physx card can i get the full functionality along with my amd 4870? do the current support drivers exist? will the solo card support all the future games?

thanks

Nvidia said they would to continue to support the PPU based on market demands, which giving their past history I would estimate:

- You get another 6 months worth of drivers where the PPU will work fine
- In 6-12 months the PPU will probably still work with the latest drivers, but you'll probably have some issues here and there with new PhysX games that aren't present on GPU PhysX.
- They will quietly drop support in new drivers somewhere between months 13-18.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I think what also might be useful are results without PhysX so we can see the performance hit from enabling it.

I can save you, and more to the point, me, a lot of time and just say that results without Physx would be faster. A lot less to do for the graphics card. A lot less to see and experience for the user.

Update: Just added Warmonger results for Rig1 with forced AA in NVCP. It works fine. Jaggies are gone. Performance hit (at 1280x1024 at this point) is minimal. Check it out.

Update: Just added GRAW2 results for Rig2.

When I get home from vacation next week I can benchmark using a PPU, SLI running PhysX, one dedicated 8800GT doing PhysX, and(if I can get it to work) 2 8800GTs in SLI with an 8500GT dedicated for PhysX.

Just let me know what test I should run if anyone is interested.

 

[Cutthroat]

There's a review of the PhysX pack at Guru3D.

 

[ArchAngel777]

This thread and some of the links contained within have really changed my mind about physics. For a while, I had been somewhat resistant to the idea of complex physics. But, that is basically what is missing in most games now... Graphics have slowed down and are giving diminshing returns for GPU Power versus Graphics Produced. So making a jump with physics just might be the right move, provided that developers don't go overboard and make it silly. That Guru3D link was a good read.

From the article

Expand the horizon a little bit more .. you think about it; with a GeForce 8200 chipset integrated mainboard (available already), you could run PhysX over the mainboard's integrated GPU, and just add a dedicated GPU (graphics card) for gaming, and you have the best of both worlds combined with very acceptable power energy levels.

Really does seem pretty cool!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: praesto

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I think what also might be useful are results without PhysX so we can see the performance hit from enabling it.

I can save you, and more to the point, me, a lot of time and just say that results without Physx would be faster. A lot less to do for the graphics card. A lot less to see and experience for the user.

Update: Just added Warmonger results for Rig1 with forced AA in NVCP. It works fine. Jaggies are gone. Performance hit (at 1280x1024 at this point) is minimal. Check it out.

Update: Just added GRAW2 results for Rig2.

I have no doubt that you are right, but this request is probably the most essential one, at least it is for me. If I can't play my games with physx GPU enabled, then what's the point of having the option?

I'm certain that you would do us all a great favor by providing us the numbers to BFG's request.

The whole point of this thread is too RUN Physx. What's the point of NOT running it? Of course it's going to be faster when you are not running it. As far as playability goes, so far, everything I have run is very playable as you can see by the benches run so far, even on the lower end system with AA and AF. So, what is it that you want to see? Or in this case, not see? As in, you won't see any physics, as is part of the point of this thread.
Just know, that if I ran the same benches without Physx, it would be faster. That's like comparing two runs of a bench with and without eye candy turned up. The one without the eye candy will be faster. And probably ugly.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I think what also might be useful are results without PhysX so we can see the performance hit from enabling it.

I can save you, and more to the point, me, a lot of time and just say that results without Physx would be faster. A lot less to do for the graphics card. A lot less to see and experience for the user.

Update: Just added Warmonger results for Rig1 with forced AA in NVCP. It works fine. Jaggies are gone. Performance hit (at 1280x1024 at this point) is minimal. Check it out.

Still it would be nice to know how much faster.

Who cares if it's eleventy billion fps faster? There still would be no physx. It's sort of self defeating, no?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Can you bench out City of Heroes/Villains? It has native PhysX support. It IS an MMO though, so if you don't have an account I can send you a trial key.

I don't have that game. Hmmmmm but my brother in law does! I think he does anyway.

But lets try it your way first. Can I download the full version of the game and use the trial key?
I guess that would be ok, if it works.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Can you bench out City of Heroes/Villains? It has native PhysX support. It IS an MMO though, so if you don't have an account I can send you a trial key.

I don't have that game. Hmmmmm but my brother in law does! I think he does anyway.

But lets try it your way first. Can I download the full version of the game and use the trial key?
I guess that would be ok, if it works.

Unless they added more effects later on, PhysX was used very minimally on COH/COV. They bundled a free month with my PPU, and IIRC there wasn't a whole lot added.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Can you bench out City of Heroes/Villains? It has native PhysX support. It IS an MMO though, so if you don't have an account I can send you a trial key.

I don't have that game. Hmmmmm but my brother in law does! I think he does anyway.

But lets try it your way first. Can I download the full version of the game and use the trial key?
I guess that would be ok, if it works.

Unless they added more effects later on, PhysX was used very minimally on COH/COV. They bundled a free month with my PPU, and IIRC there wasn't a whole lot added.

Yeah, in the December Anandtech article on Ageia Physx, they said that Physx content in those games were almost non-existent. Should I even bother?

 

[imported_seferio]

I think a crucial benchmark that everyone overlooks is what are the FPS in a non-PhysX version of these maps. So you get less fancy effects, but what is important is what are you giving up; is it 20, 50, or 100 FPS that you're giving up for losing shader processing power to some falling stones, nifty water effects, etc.? I know it might be difficult to gauge since the PhysX versions of these maps tend to stress the GPU harder just to draw the additional effects, but it does provide something to compare against.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: seferio
I think a crucial benchmark that everyone overlooks is what are the FPS in a non-PhysX version of these maps. So you get less fancy effects, but what is important is what are you giving up; is it 20, 50, or 100 FPS that you're giving up for losing shader processing power to some falling stones, nifty water effects, etc.? I know it might be difficult to gauge since the PhysX versions of these maps tend to stress the GPU harder just to draw the additional effects, but it does provide something to compare against.

Shouldn't really matter as long as it's playable WITH Physics. And I'm starting to sound like a broken record here. Please read other thread comments guys.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: aka1nas

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Can you bench out City of Heroes/Villains? It has native PhysX support. It IS an MMO though, so if you don't have an account I can send you a trial key.

I don't have that game. Hmmmmm but my brother in law does! I think he does anyway.

But lets try it your way first. Can I download the full version of the game and use the trial key?
I guess that would be ok, if it works.

Unless they added more effects later on, PhysX was used very minimally on COH/COV. They bundled a free month with my PPU, and IIRC there wasn't a whole lot added.

Yeah, in the December Anandtech article on Ageia Physx, they said that Physx content in those games were almost non-existent. Should I even bother?

I play CoH. I'd like to know. PM the email address you want me to send the trial key to.

 

[Keysplayr]

PM sent.
Thanks

 

[dadach]

i got one of the PPU cards - BFG, and it is working without nvidia software...although i would have to reinstall the whole system to make sure it is 100% true...this is what i did...installed that software from nvidia site...then i installed 3dmark vantage...the physics test would not work...then i deinstalled the nvidia drivers, and reinstalled 3dmark vantage, which seems to have some kind of physx drivers itself...the 3dmark worked after that, and also warmonger worked nicely...i can hear the fan on the ppu card spin up faster, so that means it is working...what other games should i try?...also from nvidia software, not one single demo worked...wasnt really surprised by that...it would be nice if 3dmark vantage would keep supporting the PPU version, so there would be no need to mix nvidia with ati drivers