How dare you claim deeko is a mindless clone?!?!?!?!Originally posted by: hdeck
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: SampSon
Man your predictions suck. They are very similar to all preseason sports media I've read.
Must be just a coincidence, right? OOoooooor you're just another Jim Rome clone.
Go eagles! McNabb! His Knees!
Jime Rome gets paid a lot more money than I do to talk about sports, so I'll take that as a compliment.
pretty sure he was saying you just copy what the popular sports talking heads say and post them as your own original thoughts.
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Glad you enjoyed the discussion thepd7, but I am done in this thread.
lol I was talking about him owning you. He keeps admitting he made a mistake and providing reasonable explanations for his predictions (again, all while admitting he was wrong) and you keep kissing ROFLsbergers butt like it's JAlba.
Originally posted by: Deeko
ps thepd7, you broke my heart.
I am far too in love with gender confused fratboys to do that to you.
Originally posted by: Deeko
I knew you couldn't stay away.
You seem to think QB Rating is a perfect stat, even though most former coaches/GMs say they don't use it when evaluating a QB, and you ignore that your savior had a 22 FOR THE SUPERBOWL! That's not just bad, that's terrible. If you throw 0 completions, I believe you have around a 39! Great, he threw one good pass the entire game...compared to what, 20 bad ones?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...ting.system/index.html
I never said passing attempts determine if a QB is worthy or not, you're pulling that out of either your ass, or your masterful 30+ years of football experience, which somehow determines what I'm really thinking. Regardless, if a QB is running an offense that runs the ball the good majority of the time, and he only throws the ball 20 times per game, not only are there less chances for error, the defense isn't keying on the pass nearly as much. *It also doesn't really test if the QB is able to take the team on his shoulders and sling the ball downfield to win the game. Can you do that in a run-first offense? Of course! But how often did Roethlisberger do it early in his career?
Originally posted by: Deeko
What? I didn't backpedal anywhere, nor do I revoke my statement that its easier to have a higher rating if you aren't in a pass-first, high attempt system. Yes, 30+ year grandmaster, I did see Steve Young play plenty in his prime, and while I was about 5 when Montana played, I have seen clips and replays of his superbowls. The ONLY thing a west coast system hurts your rating in is YPA, but it helps completion % and lowers int %, and overall is more conducive to a higher rating. I'm not making that up, its pretty well accepted. Also, like I said before, its not to detract from Steve Young. He was a great QB, but according to his QB rating, he's the greatest of all time, and I can't say I've found anyone that agrees with that.
You're still completely sidestepping the issue here. I never denied, and in fact explicitely state that Roethlisberger DID do some good things early in his career, thus allowing reason to believe he was worthy of the hype. Yes, he played well in the playoffs (*until the superbowl, the game that matters most of all) However, my main point here, which you for some inexplicable reason are unable to accept, is that there WERE downsides that could cause LEGITIMATE criticism to whether or not he is an elite QB. This really is a stupid argument since I've already said several times that it seems I was wrong in my assessment, we've now been arguing for two days on whether or not it was 'ok' to think that in the first place. Good show, Alistar, good show.
And again, I never denied that protection is important, but as you yourself said - he holds the ball too long, which you can't do when protection is breaking down. Drew Bledsoe didn't always have the best protection either, and if you put him on a team with a stellar offensive line, he was one of the best QBs in the league....yet, he was replaced three times by a young, unproven QB, on three different teams. Just sayin'. You can't blame ALL of your problems on protection, just ask David Carr.
So once again the aged grandmaster claims he is taking his leave of this argument....wanna take bets on if he can stick to it this time?
Originally posted by: Deeko
Yes, he's been a better game manager than Dilfer was, never doubted that. As ThePresence pointed out, he was TERRIBLE in the Superbowl. A win is a win, but it was hardly thanks to your pal Ben. Plus, look farther than QB rating - its much easier to have a high QB rating if you only throw 25 times a game, compared to say, a Peyton Manning. Just like Steve Young has such a high career rating cuz he played a rating-friendly west coast offense (note: I don't mean to detract from Young, but according to his rating, he's the greatest QB to ever play the game). This is the first season Roethlisberger has thrown more than 20 TDs. In his rookie season, he only threw more than 25 times twice. In his second season, three times. Only ONE of those games (second season playoff win vs Denver) was his QB rating higher than his season average, which lends itself to the theory that he is not efficient in that role.
Like I said, he looks much better this season, but you have to be severely biased to not at least understand, even if you disagree, why people were skeptical of his ability to be more than a game manager-quarterback before this year.
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Attempts per game are an important part of QB rating, Aanything you say master......
Originally posted by: Alistar7
lol at thepd7, so much knowledge it overwhelms the senses
I stumbled across the most unusual object today. I was hoping someone here might be able to help identify:
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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: Alistar7
lol at thepd7, so much knowledge it overwhelms the senses
I stumbled across the most unusual object today. I was hoping someone here might be able to help identify:
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That's exactly how I would respond if I didn't have any rebuttal as well, good choice.
Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: Alistar7
lol at thepd7, so much knowledge it overwhelms the senses
I stumbled across the most unusual object today. I was hoping someone here might be able to help identify:
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That's exactly how I would respond if I didn't have any rebuttal as well, good choice.
Sorry but your condescending, and flawed, post was not worthy of a legitimate response, but I'll answer it anyway. You honestly think I don't understand how play action works, or how it affects the passing game and defense lol. I do love a good play fake though. Never seen anyone run one better than Boomer, he was the king of the play fake.
So when your team (ie the Steelers) has a great run game, the QB passes less. And when he does, he has a higher chance of completing passes and scoring.
The less you pass, the greater your odds at accuracy and throwing a TD, fail. You seem so proud of your "in depth breakdown" of how the play fake works in theory though, so here's a [deleted]
The defense does not always buy the play fake. Pitt throws more out of spread formations in their offense, the play fake is not employed nearly as much as you believe. The majority of Bens TD's this year have come out of obvious passing sets.
Personal opinion of ROFLsberger, a bit selfish for my taste. Even as a fan of his team I was happy to see him finally have an offseason last year, he needed to be knocked down a peg IMHO. After the SB it was said the only person more upset than the Seahawks in the locker rooms was Ben, he was completely distraught over his performance. That pissed me off, yeah he had a bad game but they won, team first moron. I have talked to a few people who met him in a personal setting, all got the same somewhat negative impression of a cocky jock.
I must admit I don't listen or buy into the hype over any player. 24/7 coverage of the NFL anymore, they need something to fill the time. I have seen it far too many times, and then watched the player fall flat on their face. Think of the myriad of high draft picks who turned out to be busts. I go by what I see on the field & stats.