Deeko's NFL Predictions

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: hdeck
ok enough essays. time to talk about how roy williams is going to beat the packers by himself and use their tattered remains to stuff his thanksgiving turkey.

Can it be a turducken?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Alistar7
lol at thepd7, so much knowledge it overwhelms the senses


I stumbled across the most unusual object today. I was hoping someone here might be able to help identify:

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That's exactly how I would respond if I didn't have any rebuttal as well, good choice.

Sorry but your condescending, and flawed, post was not worthy of a legitimate response, but I'll answer it anyway. You honestly think I don't understand how play action works, or how it affects the passing game and defense lol. I do love a good play fake though. Never seen anyone run one better than Boomer, he was the king of the play fake.

So when your team (ie the Steelers) has a great run game, the QB passes less. And when he does, he has a higher chance of completing passes and scoring.

The less you pass, the greater your odds at accuracy and throwing a TD, fail. You seem so proud of your "in depth breakdown" of how the play fake works in theory though, so here's a [deleted]

The defense does not always buy the play fake. Pitt throws more out of spread formations in their offense, the play fake is not employed nearly as much as you believe. The majority of Bens TD's this year have come out of obvious passing sets.

Personal opinion of ROFLsberger, a bit selfish for my taste. Even as a fan of his team I was happy to see him finally have an offseason last year, he needed to be knocked down a peg IMHO. After the SB it was said the only person more upset than the Seahawks in the locker rooms was Ben, he was completely distraught over his performance. That pissed me off, yeah he had a bad game but they won, team first moron. I have talked to a few people who met him in a personal setting, all got the same somewhat negative impression of a cocky jock.

I must admit I don't listen or buy into the hype over any player. 24/7 coverage of the NFL anymore, they need something to fill the time. I have seen it far too many times, and then watched the player fall flat on their face. Think of the myriad of high draft picks who turned out to be busts. I go by what I see on the field & stats.

It's not about the less you pass, I never said that blanket statement. It's about what teams are expecting, and when a team is expecting you to run and you play action pass you are going to have a higher completion percentage and more long plays since receivers will be 1 on 1 more often.

If you still don't get it I guess I will have to take it down a couple more notches to pre-K level.

And once again, weren't you done with this thread twice already?

If you are gong to keep directing comments at me I will respond, seems obvious.

Pitt rarely passes out of play action anymore, they use spread formations that are obvious passing situations. A QB's accuracy has little to do with the defense, accuracy is his ability to place the ball where it is needed.

Based on your premise a good running team will automatically have an accurate QB. The Vikings are the only team with a higher rushing yards per game total than Pitt. Look at their QB accuracy (54.1%), why is it so low?

mmmmmm turkey..........

 

[hdeck]

STFU AND TALK ABOUT ROY "THE MAN" WILLIAMS NOW.

 

[Alistar7]

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[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: hdeck
STFU AND TALK ABOUT ROY "THE MAN" WILLIAMS NOW.

He's a great addition to the Lions offense and when Calvin Johnson is completely healthy they will have scary WR's.




Oh wait, you mean the guy who is great against the run but can't play the pass?

 

[Deeko]

I read on hashmarks that Roy Williams thinks he's fat. He also worked as a pizza delivery guy, after publicly announcing that he never tips the pizza delivery guy. It seems this season he's kinda like TO that he really, really wants to be in the media at all times....except in really strange ways.

Alistar, play action aside, a defense that is defending the run is less effective against the pass. For example, if you drop a safety down into run support, he's now no longer covering a tight end or a WR going deep. No, obviously a good running game does not automatically raise your QB's accuracy, but seriously...its a simple fact that a good run game takes pressure off the pass game, and makes the quarterback's job easier.

oh and ps on the last page I said I'd feel better about my midseason playoff update if the Broncos won. They did. I feel better about that now...but still have no confidence in the NFC outside of the top 3 teams.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: hdeck
STFU AND TALK ABOUT ROY "THE MAN" WILLIAMS NOW.

He's a great addition to the Lions offense and when Calvin Johnson is completely healthy they will have scary WR's.




Oh wait, you mean the guy who is great against the run but can't play the pass?

on a Cowboys forum I read, a guy posted that Roy Williams is the WORST SS the Cowboys have had since he can remember.

Now...its not really fair if he's only watched for the past 15 years, because Dallas transitioned from Darren Woodson to Roy Williams, but to have such strong hate for a pro bowl safety that doesn't excel in coverage....amusing.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I read on hashmarks that Roy Williams thinks he's fat. He also worked as a pizza delivery guy, after publicly announcing that he never tips the pizza delivery guy. It seems this season he's kinda like TO that he really, really wants to be in the media at all times....except in really strange ways.

Alistar, play action aside, a defense that is defending the run is less effective against the pass. For example, if you drop a safety down into run support, he's now no longer covering a tight end or a WR going deep. No, obviously a good running game does not automatically raise your QB's accuracy, but seriously...its a simple fact that a good run game takes pressure off the pass game, and makes the quarterback's job easier.

oh and ps on the last page I said I'd feel better about my midseason playoff update if the Broncos won. They did. I feel better about that now...but still have no confidence in the NFC outside of the top 3 teams.

Being spoken to as if I don't understand simple concepts of the game is quite funny. I agree a good run game will take pressure off any QB, but it will not result in improved accuracy, see Minnesota. A truly balanced offense with a 50/50 run/pass ratio gives the QB his best opportunity IMHO.

If teams were stacking 8 men in the box more often than not against Pitt I would agree that would positively affect Ben's ability to find an open target, but they are rarely doing that anymore. Their use of tight ends downfield and 3 WR formations with no FB has helped keep teams honest and that extra man out of the box. I can't stand certain aspects of their new offensive scheme, but overall I think it is an improvment.

There are also plenty of safeties that can be near the line to play the run, then drop back into coverage if it is a pass. Then there are zone blitzes, where it appears there are going to be 7-8 in the box and man to man outside on at least one WR, until the snap, and you wind up facing a 3-4 man front and zone underneath. A good defense is effective against either the run or the pass using the same personnel.

6 weeks to go, no telling who will get hot going into the playoffs.

 

[hdeck]

...i meant the real roy williams, wide receiver for the detroit lions. you have all failed me once again.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: hdeck
...i meant the real roy williams, wide receiver for the detroit lions. you have all failed me once again.

Lol, I knew who you were talking about based on the matchup you stated, I was just having fun.

The "real" Roy Williams

 

[LS20]

you mean roy williams the coach of the ncaa champion tar heel basketball team?

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

If you are gong to keep directing comments at me I will respond, seems obvious.

Pitt rarely passes out of play action anymore, they use spread formations that are obvious passing situations. A QB's accuracy has little to do with the defense, accuracy is his ability to place the ball where it is needed.

Based on your premise a good running team will automatically have an accurate QB. The Vikings are the only team with a higher rushing yards per game total than Pitt. Look at their QB accuracy (54.1%), why is it so low?

mmmmmm turkey..........

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Glad you enjoyed the discussion thepd7, but I am done in this thread.

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Call me out I will come back, just this once though

pwned.


I never said any QB can excel when you have a good running game, just that it's easier to excel. And yes accuracy is where you put the ball, but if your WR just beat 1 on 1 coverage because the safeties were up in the box guessing or expecting run then you are more likely to suceed. Or do you not think that WR's who are open are easier to throw to? Would you rather throw to 3 open guys or 3 guys that are covered?

And defense has plenty to do with how your QB plays. If you are playing down 10 points the whole game because your D can't stop anyone you will be throwing a lot and making more risky throws. The whole point is until this year (which we all agree Big Ben is showing us he IS a great QB) he never had to do that, his D would save his ass no matter what.

Example: the Super Bowl. Even though really the ref's won, Steelers D was solid and the running game was good. Ben sucked, yet they still won. Not many teams could do that.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Alistar7

If you are gong to keep directing comments at me I will respond, seems obvious.

Pitt rarely passes out of play action anymore, they use spread formations that are obvious passing situations. A QB's accuracy has little to do with the defense, accuracy is his ability to place the ball where it is needed.

Based on your premise a good running team will automatically have an accurate QB. The Vikings are the only team with a higher rushing yards per game total than Pitt. Look at their QB accuracy (54.1%), why is it so low?

mmmmmm turkey..........

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Glad you enjoyed the discussion thepd7, but I am done in this thread.

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Call me out I will come back, just this once though

pwned.


I never said any QB can excel when you have a good running game, just that it's easier to excel. And yes accuracy is where you put the ball, but if your WR just beat 1 on 1 coverage because the safeties were up in the box guessing or expecting run then you are more likely to suceed. Or do you not think that WR's who are open are easier to throw to? Would you rather throw to 3 open guys or 3 guys that are covered?

And defense has plenty to do with how your QB plays. If you are playing down 10 points the whole game because your D can't stop anyone you will be throwing a lot and making more risky throws. The whole point is until this year (which we all agree Big Ben is showing us he IS a great QB) he never had to do that, his D would save his ass no matter what.

Example: the Super Bowl. Even though really the ref's won, Steelers D was solid and the running game was good. Ben sucked, yet they still won. Not many teams could do that.

"pwned", are you serious? Everytime I hear that phrase I think of that French guy who posted the CS video of him "pooning some noobs" lol. Anyone have the link to that video, it's hysterical, albeit childish.

If you don't want to hear a response from me, don't address comments in my direction.

If you are down by 10 points the whole game, you definitely have time to still run the ball. Being down 2 scores only calls for pass only if it is late in the 4th quarter.

They have only been behind in a few games this year, he actually had to do that more often in his first two seasons. But what do I know, I only watched all of those games. He also carried them in those 3 postseason games, why can't you seem to remember anything beyond last year?

He showed what he was capable of doing that second postseason run when they came out throwing in all 3 games. What you are seeing now is no different than what you saw that postseason. Why is his performance great now in regular season matchups, but the exact same wasn't in those much more difficult playoff road games against far superior competition.

Even though the refs won, lol. Bad calls went against both teams, the better team as usual found a way to overcome. Defense wasn't exactly solid, they gave up over 350 yards of total offense and had numerous secondary breakdowns. Running game was ok, but take away the 75 yard run they got outplayed in the running game as well.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: hdeck
STFU AND TALK ABOUT ROY "THE MAN" WILLIAMS NOW.

He's a great addition to the Lions offense and when Calvin Johnson is completely healthy they will have scary WR's.




Oh wait, you mean the guy who is great against the run but can't play the pass?

on a Cowboys forum I read, a guy posted that Roy Williams is the WORST SS the Cowboys have had since he can remember.

Now...its not really fair if he's only watched for the past 15 years, because Dallas transitioned from Darren Woodson to Roy Williams, but to have such strong hate for a pro bowl safety that doesn't excel in coverage....amusing.

Strong hate? Where do you see that?
I don't hate Roy Williams (dallas), I just don't think he's good in pass coverage.
The only player in the league I truly hate is Brian Dawkins.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

6 weeks to go, no telling who will get hot going into the playoffs.

It gets very chilly in Foxboro though:evil:

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Alistar7

6 weeks to go, no telling who will get hot going into the playoffs.

It gets very chilly in Foxboro though:evil:

Why do you think Buffalo made it to 4 straight SB? Not many teams could go there and play well in January.

Weather very well could be a factor in NE, but it will affect the passing game more than anything. Bad weather gives the better running/defensive team the edge.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Attempts per game are an important part of QB rating, Aanything you say master......

Have you ever heard of a little something called "play action." Well, let me explain it to you since apparantly in your 30 years you haven't caught on.

When you run the ball well, you run the ball a lot.

Now here's where it gets tricky so stay with me:

When you run the ball a lot, teams expect you to run the ball.

Okay it gets REALLY crazy here so CONCENTRATE!!!

When teams expect you to run the ball, and you FAKE a run, it makes it easier to complete passes (especially long passes due to 1 on 1 coverage but that's a topic for another day).


So when your team (ie the Steelers) has a great run game, the QB passes less. And when he does, he has a higher chance of completing passes and scoring.

Now, I haven't checked but I do think that completion percentage and touchdowns are including in QB rating. I am sure you will let me know if I am wrong.


Let me know if I need to slow it down some more, I wrote it for 2nd grade level but I can go to pre-K if need be.

Also, weren't you finished with this thread 2 times already?

NFC NORTH W L
Green Bay 9 1
Detroit 6 4
Minnesota 4 6
Chicago 4 6

Man, I should have bet you the Bears wouldn't make the playoffs. :laugh:

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Alistar7

6 weeks to go, no telling who will get hot going into the playoffs.

It gets very chilly in Foxboro though:evil:

Why do you think Buffalo made it to 4 straight SB? Not many teams could go there and play well in January.

Weather very well could be a factor in NE, but it will affect the passing game more than anything. Bad weather gives the better running/defensive team the edge.

Buffalo, GreenBay, Minn, NE all have the same advantage w/ respect to cold.
However, all those teams also figured out how to throw in the cold when they were at their peaks.

This year Buffalo is not going anywhere
And Pit will have to go through Foxboro.

In the NFC, it looks like all will have to go through GB.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Alistar7

6 weeks to go, no telling who will get hot going into the playoffs.

It gets very chilly in Foxboro though:evil:

Why do you think Buffalo made it to 4 straight SB? Not many teams could go there and play well in January.

Weather very well could be a factor in NE, but it will affect the passing game more than anything. Bad weather gives the better running/defensive team the edge.

Buffalo, GreenBay, Minn, NE all have the same advantage w/ respect to cold.
However, all those teams also figured out how to throw in the cold when they were at their peaks.

This year Buffalo is not going anywhere
And Pit will have to go through Foxboro.

In the NFC, it looks like all will have to go through GB.

Pfft, Pitt won't be going anywhere if they don't shore up their pass protection and return coverage. Both safeties are out now as is Holmes, Troy & Holmes should be back in 2-3 weeks.

If anyone should dump NE in their first postseason game, home field goes to the next seed which should be Indy.

Minne lost a great advantage when they moved into the dome, but their fans stay warm I agree those teams learned to play/pass in the cold, but it still favors the running game/defense.

I remember watching the Browns/Raiders (1981) in a playoff game at old Cleveland Muni, windchill was 35 below and there were gusting winds coming in off Lake Erie. Passing was not a pretty option, the ball was like a brick and the recievers couldn't feel their own hands.
That was the infamous "red right 88" game.

 

[Deeko]

Alistar, you're missing the point. You seem to think QB Rating and completion percentage numbers are an exact replication of the quarterback's ability, or something. I'm not saying these things make the QB more accurate, just that they take pressure off, which CAN result in better numbers. Its pretty simple, and you seem to understand it, yet refuse to apply the same idea to Roethlisberger.

Strong hate? Where do you see that?
I don't hate Roy Williams (dallas), I just don't think he's good in pass coverage.
The only player in the league I truly hate is Brian Dawkins.

Actually, from Cowboys fans. A good portion of Cowboys fans can't stand him and want him out of town. Every team has fans like that...not too many people think AJ Feeley/Kevin Kolb are better QBs than McNabb, but a lot of Eagles fans do.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Alistar, you're missing the point. You seem to think QB Rating and completion percentage numbers are an exact replication of the quarterback's ability, or something. I'm not saying these things make the QB more accurate, just that they take pressure off, which CAN result in better numbers. Its pretty simple, and you seem to understand it, yet refuse to apply the same idea to Roethlisberger.

Strong hate? Where do you see that?
I don't hate Roy Williams (dallas), I just don't think he's good in pass coverage.
The only player in the league I truly hate is Brian Dawkins.

Actually, from Cowboys fans. A good portion of Cowboys fans can't stand him and want him out of town. Every team has fans like that...not too many people think AJ Feeley/Kevin Kolb are better QBs than McNabb, but a lot of Eagles fans do.

I get it, and it applys to all QBs, Ben included. While it might make it easier for a QB to succeed, I still think the QB's talent is more important. The vikings are a great example, their QB enjoys a great running game but doesn't have the skills to capitalize on the opportunities it creates.

The point you, and pd, seems to be missing is that Pitt's offensive scheme is much different this season. Yes they still run the ball well, but sadly they don't use play action that much anymore. The majority of their passing is done in obvious passing formations, the defense is not playing run first in those instances. The advantage of their running ability in regards to how it affects their passing game has been somewhat nullified, as I said there are certain aspects of their new philosphy I do not agree with wholeheartely. IMHO they are far more predictable in their play calling, it is usally an obvious pass or run. I still believe a good defense plays equally well against the pass or run with the same personnel, on any given play.

I said before QB rating is a good barometer, but certainly not the end all of how a QB is to be judged. Certain important characteristics can't even be quantified, vision, leadership, mobility, how well they "feel" pressure, etc.

You really don't like the Browns slipping into the playoffs?

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Alistar7

If you are gong to keep directing comments at me I will respond, seems obvious.

Pitt rarely passes out of play action anymore, they use spread formations that are obvious passing situations. A QB's accuracy has little to do with the defense, accuracy is his ability to place the ball where it is needed.

Based on your premise a good running team will automatically have an accurate QB. The Vikings are the only team with a higher rushing yards per game total than Pitt. Look at their QB accuracy (54.1%), why is it so low?

mmmmmm turkey..........

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Glad you enjoyed the discussion thepd7, but I am done in this thread.

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Call me out I will come back, just this once though

pwned.


I never said any QB can excel when you have a good running game, just that it's easier to excel. And yes accuracy is where you put the ball, but if your WR just beat 1 on 1 coverage because the safeties were up in the box guessing or expecting run then you are more likely to suceed. Or do you not think that WR's who are open are easier to throw to? Would you rather throw to 3 open guys or 3 guys that are covered?

And defense has plenty to do with how your QB plays. If you are playing down 10 points the whole game because your D can't stop anyone you will be throwing a lot and making more risky throws. The whole point is until this year (which we all agree Big Ben is showing us he IS a great QB) he never had to do that, his D would save his ass no matter what.

Example: the Super Bowl. Even though really the ref's won, Steelers D was solid and the running game was good. Ben sucked, yet they still won. Not many teams could do that.

"pwned", are you serious? Everytime I hear that phrase I think of that French guy who posted the CS video of him "pooning some noobs" lol. Anyone have the link to that video, it's hysterical, albeit childish.

If you don't want to hear a response from me, don't address comments in my direction.

If you are down by 10 points the whole game, you definitely have time to still run the ball. Being down 2 scores only calls for pass only if it is late in the 4th quarter.

They have only been behind in a few games this year, he actually had to do that more often in his first two seasons. But what do I know, I only watched all of those games. He also carried them in those 3 postseason games, why can't you seem to remember anything beyond last year?

He showed what he was capable of doing that second postseason run when they came out throwing in all 3 games. What you are seeing now is no different than what you saw that postseason. Why is his performance great now in regular season matchups, but the exact same wasn't in those much more difficult playoff road games against far superior competition.

Even though the refs won, lol. Bad calls went against both teams, the better team as usual found a way to overcome. Defense wasn't exactly solid, they gave up over 350 yards of total offense and had numerous secondary breakdowns. Running game was ok, but take away the 75 yard run they got outplayed in the running game as well.

pooned would be pronounced "poo-n-duh", not "puh-owned". Either way here's why you got pwned.

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Call me out I will come back, just this once though

In case you missed it:

"Just this once though"

You have in fact been back many more times than once. Yet you make fun of Deeko about the last word. Riiiiiiiiiight...

 

[Alistar7]

You would have to see the video to understand, he was trying to say "pwned" but it sounded like "pooned". You can't always expect someone speaking a language that is foreign to them to pronounce everything correctly. You definitely remind me of him though, anyone that even uses that term is........

Perhaps you should look in the mirror, you have laid down enough BS that has been so far from the truth it is not even funny. I could understand if you were legitimately trying to discuss the issue, but all you are doing is trying to insitigate, argue, and hurl insults.

Again, if you do not want me to respond, do not address me directly.

 

[sash1]

WORTHLESSBERGER!

 

[Homerboy]

wait... there's people that think the Cowboys will beat the Packers? LOL