Deeko's NFL Predictions

[Deeko]

Chiboy I've already maxed out my Yahoo allowance...apparently you can't have more than 4 teams/year. I already tried to add a 5th earlier today....haha

edit: and rise, thanks, but I am aware that you're a Patriots fan. I'm also aware that most people consider Carson a solid 3rd, with Manning/Brady at 1/2. That's fine. Enjoy the fact that for once I picked the Patriots to win it all...

 

[leeland]

Originally posted by: Deeko
I have nothing better to do, so lets compared the Bears-Packers defense, position by position. Shall we?

DE Agunleye - Kampman
DT Harris - Pickett
DT Dvoracek - Harrell
DE Anderson - Jenkins
OLB Hillenmeyer - Poppinga
MLB Urlacher - Barnett
OLB Briggs - Hawk
CB Tillman - Woodson
FS Brown - Collins
SS Archuleta - Bigby
CB Vasher - Harris

You really think the team on the right is as good or better than the team on the left? Note, the depth charts came from ESPN so if they aren't 100% accurate, I don't care.

I changed one position...as Jenkins is the DE...and yes I think they are just as good across the front 7.

They definitely have better corners no doubt in my mind and the lack of a decent safety is the only short coming...however Mike Brown (always hurt) and Archuleta (Can't tackle) aren't anything to be happy about...

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: leeland

Originally posted by: Deeko
He's from Wisconsin. He probably thinks the Packers actually have a chance.

This is why I love doing this every year. Fans from every team that I don't have winning the super bowl come out of the woodwork to tell me I know nothing about football.

...will do just as well if not better than the Bears by the end of the season...

They have upgraded the D-Line across the board, have just as good if not better line backers than the bears and are only lacking in experience at the safety position...


Lastly, if you are going to call me a homer and "stand by my team" guy...at least call out some of these Bears fans who are obviously BLINDED by their shear love for their team to not realize that Rex Grossman is a terrible QB and is one of the main reasons they lost the SB...who cares that he actually "played" for his first season...it isn't like he was introduced to the NFL last year. He was a QB that was in the system for at least 2 years prior so get off that excuse...

have to throw my "homer" comments in

-You are out of your mind if you think the pack's D will be on par with the Bears

-the pack's LB are better than - Urlacher, Briggs, Hillenmeyer? right

-true, he did throw some bad passes in the SB, but wasn't any different from his performance the rest of the season. The D, for whatever reason, let the Colts run up and down the field all they wanted to. Grossman did not cost them the superbowl, their safe aproach against the pass did. And if you think sitting on the sideline with a clipboard for 2 years is the same as actually playing for 2 years, your insane. I dont claim for Rex to be the second comming of god, but hes the best on the team, and they got to the superbowl with him playing everyda. If Rexy has even a average year, the Bears are back in the superbowl easy (barring any massive injuries that is ).

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Nah, none of those guys are nearly as talented as Tiki, and you can't just combine the three and pretend they will be the same as one player.

That remains to be seen. Jacobs is a beast and Bradshaw shows Tiki talent and speed. They're still completely unproven. But together, potentially, they can be as good or better than Tiki's workload. After watching every snap of preseason this is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree, most people will.

The real problem with the Giants is their atrocious secondary that constantly gives up big plays and the fact that Eli is incosistent at best.

The secondary is obviously their weakest point, no doubt.
Eli has shown much improvement under Gilbride's playcalling.
He's had a real solid preseason so far. Let's see what happens.

Of course the preseason means absolutely nothing as far as how well the team will do.
But it does show player development and showcases individual talent.

I do agree that Jacobs is beastly, but it remains to be seen how good he will be. I should have said that it is unknown if he can do what Tiki did - I remain skeptical because that would make him a top 5-7 back in the NFL.

The reason why you can't say a few guys will be as good as one player is that you can't depend on what they'll do on a single play. Sure, over the course of the game the stats might be similar, but will they be able to pull it off when it counts?

Anyway, I think RB isn't a sore spot for the Giants at all. Even with Tiki the Giants had serious problems last year.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: rise
i like Deeko's threads and he definitely knows some ball, but lines like "I love Carson Palmer, best non-Manning QB in the league." make me chuckle.

I'd rather have Brady on my team, but Carson is the second best fantasy QB, no doubt about it. His raw talent > Brady's.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: rise
i like Deeko's threads and he definitely knows some ball, but lines like "I love Carson Palmer, best non-Manning QB in the league." make me chuckle.

I'd rather have Brady on my team, but Carson is the second best fantasy QB, no doubt about it. His raw talent > Brady's.

true i guess, i was thinking just football, not the ff stuff

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Deeko
ahhh come on ThePresence, don't pull that "distraction" crap. The media (and crybaby eli) made a bigger deal out of that than it was. Tiki has been the best offensive player on that team in a long time, he will be SORELY missed.

Okay fine. I think the onfield ability of the 3 RBs will make up for what Tiki brought to the table.

While I think your statement is ridiculous (you can't add RB talent together to measure up to a single elite back.. they can't all carry the ball at the same time), I do believe Brandon Jacobs will have a big year. I might take him in my fantasy draft as a semi-sleeper in a later round.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Deeko
ahhh come on ThePresence, don't pull that "distraction" crap. The media (and crybaby eli) made a bigger deal out of that than it was. Tiki has been the best offensive player on that team in a long time, he will be SORELY missed.

Okay fine. I think the onfield ability of the 3 RBs will make up for what Tiki brought to the table.

While I think your statement is ridiculous (you can't add RB talent together to measure up to a single elite back.. they can't all carry the ball at the same time), I do believe Brandon Jacobs will have a big year. I might take him in my fantasy draft as a semi-sleeper in a later round.

Ding ding ding, this is what I said above

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Deeko
ahhh come on ThePresence, don't pull that "distraction" crap. The media (and crybaby eli) made a bigger deal out of that than it was. Tiki has been the best offensive player on that team in a long time, he will be SORELY missed.

Okay fine. I think the onfield ability of the 3 RBs will make up for what Tiki brought to the table.

While I think your statement is ridiculous (you can't add RB talent together to measure up to a single elite back.. they can't all carry the ball at the same time), I do believe Brandon Jacobs will have a big year. I might take him in my fantasy draft as a semi-sleeper in a later round.

Why not? I'm going on total yardage. The total after the game can easily be the same.

 

[leeland]

Deeko if you think an asshat like you on a forum is going to "cut me" by rattling off some crap about sports of all things then man step away from the computer and go outside...your E-Penis isn't that big...and you need some Vitamin D.

 

[Deeko]

ThePresence, history has shown that running back by committee can work well, but there is no substitute for a dominant back (think LT/LJ/SA/SJ). When Jacobs is on the field, you don't have to worry about them bouncing outside. Similarly, when your new guy is on the field, you don't have to worry as much about him pounding it up the middle. This is why you can't combine the talents of multiple backs and consider them the same as one complete back.

There will be worse running teams in the league than the Giants, but its naive to think their running game will be as effective as last year.

leeland, thank you for getting the purpose of that post. You're the one getting whiney and upset, demanding an apology at the end of the season if I'm wrong. I was mocking you. You merely accentuated that fact. Excellent work.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: ScottFern
OMG you are out of your mind. It's obvious you have never actually seen a Bears game. We have upgraded our offense and we are set for another Super Bowl run but this time we are going to finish as Champions. Benson, Olsen, Wolfe, Berrian, Hester, and even nationally syndicated sports columnists are seeing improvements in Grossman's game. The man has played 1 complete 16 game season. This is the year he needs and WILL excel. Give me a break. We earned our Super Bowl spot last year believe you me.

Quick question, is Rex still the QB?

If so, then uh yea, um...

Where did the Bears go last year with Rex at QB? How many points a game did they score?

Hint, they scored 26.7, tied for second in the league with Indianapolis, only behind the Chargers.

The lost Thomas Jones, but replaced him with the #4 overall draft pick from two seasons ago. They added Devin Hester to offense and Greg Olsen, a first round TE who runs a 4.5 and has great hands.

What did Deeko say last year?

1. Chicago Bears - top of a terrible division. no offense.

It's obvious that he never looked at the Bears offense in order to be so far off. He also hasn't learned anything. I think it's a fair question to ask if he's ever watched a Bears game.

 

[Deeko]

This is fun, keep it up guys

yowolabi, the defense and special teams were directly or indirectly responsible for a large amount of those points. Losing Thomas Jones does not help the offense, especially if Cedric Benson doesn't pick it up in the regular season. Its a simple, generally accepted (outside of the chicago metro region anyway) that the Bears are an offensively-challenged team that that Rex Grossman is not a very good QB.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: thepd7
That's 9 out of 30 and even most of those he got the placements correct or off by only 1. So that's around 75%. Just because he has the balls to post don't be a dick when he isn't 100% right. Like I said earlier he did better than ESPN normally does.

Last year, in the NCAA Tournament Pool at work, the lady who won just picked every higher seeded team.

Choosing the Colts, Patriots, Chargers, Ravens, and Seahawks to be in the playoffs doesn't make you an NFL expert.

Want to be like Deeko? Here you go.

1) Copy last year's final standings (83% probability of winners repeating).
2) Make approximately six changes to the middle of various divisions and make some remark about somebody they lost or mention somebody you saw do well for them last year on NFL Primetime highlights (50% probability of just guessing right).
3) Make one shocking prediction (33% probability).
4) Overestimate YOUR team and then criticize others for doing the same thing.

5) Point out at the end of the season that you were 70% correct and must be a genius.

6) Repeat next year.

 

[leeland]

Originally posted by: Deeko
ThePresence, history has shown that running back by committee can work well, but there is no substitute for a dominant back (think LT/LJ/SA/SJ). When Jacobs is on the field, you don't have to worry about them bouncing outside. Similarly, when your new guy is on the field, you don't have to worry as much about him pounding it up the middle. This is why you can't combine the talents of multiple backs and consider them the same as one complete back.

There will be worse running teams in the league than the Giants, but its naive to think their running game will be as effective as last year.

leeland, thank you for getting the purpose of that post. You're the one getting whiney and upset, demanding an apology at the end of the season if I'm wrong. I was mocking you. You merely accentuated that fact. Excellent work.

You had a purpose? cause it looked like you were just trying to be an arrogant clown giving yourself a pat on the back...

 

[rise]

and rise, thanks, but I am aware that you're a Patriots fan.

you say that like its a bad thing

yeah, carson is definitely 3rd and proly better at fantasy stats but i think brady will put up some scary numbers this year.

 

[leeland]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: thepd7
That's 9 out of 30 and even most of those he got the placements correct or off by only 1. So that's around 75%. Just because he has the balls to post don't be a dick when he isn't 100% right. Like I said earlier he did better than ESPN normally does.

Last year, in the NCAA Tournament Pool at work, the lady who won just picked every higher seeded team.

Choosing the Colts, Patriots, Chargers, Ravens, and Seahawks to be in the playoffs doesn't make you an NFL expert.

Want to be like Deeko? Here you go.

1) Copy last year's final standings (83% probability of winners repeating).
2) Make approximately six changes to the middle of various divisions and make some remark about somebody they lost or mention somebody you saw do well for them last year on NFL Primetime highlights (50% probability of just guessing right).
3) Make one shocking prediction (33% probability).
4) Overestimate YOUR team and then criticize others for doing the same thing.

5) Point out at the end of the season that you were 70% correct and must be a genius.

6) Repeat next year.

Good One!!!

 

[Deeko]

HeroOfPellinor, if its so easy, go make your own predicitions thread. I do this becaues I enjoy it, and the responses I get from the leelands of the world make it even better.

Snappy comeback leeland. I'm done bantering with you about if I did or did not hurt your feelings over the internet. If you'd like to continue discussing football, I'd be happy to oblige.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Deeko
When Jacobs is on the field, you don't have to worry about them bouncing outside.

I hope all the defensive coordinators in the league think like that, because the Giants will do really well if that's the case. Jacobs is very deceiving. He's huge, but he has speed. He can run the ball outside and turn the corner very well. He's not just a pound-it-up-the-middle guy, although that's what he's known for.

 

[Phokus]

Just give the pats the damn trophy already!

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Deeko
ahhh come on ThePresence, don't pull that "distraction" crap. The media (and crybaby eli) made a bigger deal out of that than it was. Tiki has been the best offensive player on that team in a long time, he will be SORELY missed.

Okay fine. I think the onfield ability of the 3 RBs will make up for what Tiki brought to the table.

While I think your statement is ridiculous (you can't add RB talent together to measure up to a single elite back.. they can't all carry the ball at the same time), I do believe Brandon Jacobs will have a big year. I might take him in my fantasy draft as a semi-sleeper in a later round.

Why not? I'm going on total yardage. The total after the game can easily be the same.

On how many more plays? Are they going to get the same average Tiki had? Are they going to score his touchdowns and break off his big runs/catches that resulted in 20+ yard gains? There are backs who are "special" and can't be replaced by a platoon.

 

[leeland]

Originally posted by: Deeko
HeroOfPellinor, if its so easy, go make your own predicitions thread. I do this becaues I enjoy it, and the responses I get from the leelands of the world make it even better.

If you'd like to continue discussing football, I'd be happy to oblige.

Don't worry about hurting my feelings over as that is the difference between us...you actually think I care what you are saying like it has some sort of meaning and will impact me in a profound manner...

When in reality I will forget about this and you by the time you read it cause I know you are feverishly hitting F5 right now to refresh the page looking for responses to pump up your deflated ego...I am on my way to vacation land and would like to bid you a fairwell to this craptastic football thread...

as for discussing football ever again with you...I will revert back to my original statement in this thread when it comes to your football logic...

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Deeko
This is fun, keep it up guys

yowolabi, the defense and special teams were directly or indirectly responsible for a large amount of those points. Losing Thomas Jones does not help the offense, especially if Cedric Benson doesn't pick it up in the regular season. Its a simple, generally accepted (outside of the chicago metro region anyway) that the Bears are an offensively-challenged team that that Rex Grossman is not a very good QB.

Are the defense and special teams going anywhere? Both are as good or better than last year. Cedric played a lot towards the end of last year and played about the same as Thomas Jones. Rex is now in his second full season as a starter. There is no logical reason to expect their offense to get worse.

26.7 points a game, 2nd in the nfl. I think it's only generally accepted that the Bears are offensively challenged by people who only watch Sports Center highlights, and don't bother to look up numbers or watch film. As far as Rex, anyone who thinks they know what a QB is capable of by looking at one season, can hardly call himself a knowledgeable football person. Experience improves qb's more than any other position on the field.

 

[Darwin333]

Could you elaborate on your NFC South predictions? The Saint's have improved their offense a bit. We still have some work to do with the O Line but so far I have seen a marked improvement in both the passing game (have you seen the numbers Brees has put up so far?) and the running game (more specifically R. Bush). We also made some nice pickups on defense and so far they look to be playing quite a bit better than last year.

Overall I think we have a better team then last year and barring any injuries I am confident that we will at the least match last year, including winning the division.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Deeko
This is fun, keep it up guys

yowolabi, the defense and special teams were directly or indirectly responsible for a large amount of those points. Losing Thomas Jones does not help the offense, especially if Cedric Benson doesn't pick it up in the regular season. Its a simple, generally accepted (outside of the chicago metro region anyway) that the Bears are an offensively-challenged team that that Rex Grossman is not a very good QB.

Are the defense and special teams going anywhere? Both are as good or better than last year. Cedric played a lot towards the end of last year and played about the same as Thomas Jones. Rex is now in his second full season as a starter. There is no logical reason to expect their offense to get worse.

26.7 points a game, 2nd in the nfl. I think it's only generally accepted that the Bears are offensively challenged by people who only watch Sports Center highlights, and don't bother to look up numbers or watch film. As far as Rex, anyone who thinks they know what a QB is capable of by looking at one season, can hardly call himself a knowledgeable football person. Experience improves qb's more than any other position on the field.

Well with the number of opportunities the offence sees because of the 3-and-outs their defense generates probably accounts for a lot when looking at their numbers.